Mouthpiece Work / Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
FROM: jurjendequelery (Jurjen de Quelery)
SUBJECT: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
Hello you all, I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound. What is the best way to achieve this goal? The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. Looking forward to your reply's, Grtzz Jurjen
FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
“warmth in the center”…..what specifically does this mean? > On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@yahoo.com [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hello you all, > > I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound. > > What is the best way to achieve this goal? > > The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. > > Looking forward to your reply's, > > Grtzz Jurjen > >
FROM: jurjendequelery (Jurjen de Quelery)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
If you see your sound as a circle. Than nkw the warmth of the sound is at the outside of that circle. He wants it more centered. So the warmth more in the centre of that circle. This also why i desided to ask it in this group. Hope i could explain it. ;-) kind regards, Jurjen Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android Van:"STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Datum:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:31 Onderwerp:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece “warmth in the center”…..what specifically does this mean? On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@yahoo.com [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello you all, I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound. What is the best way to achieve this goal? The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. Looking forward to your reply's, Grtzz Jurjen
FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
clear as mud……I hate these vague terms…..like “a good core to the sound”……seriously, we’re talking about musical sound, not Zen > On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > If you see your sound as a circle. Than nkw the warmth of the sound is at the outside of that circle. He wants it more centered. So the warmth more in the centre of that circle. > > This also why i desided to ask it in this group. > > Hope i could explain it. ;-) > > kind regards, > > Jurjen > > Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > Van:"STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... <mailto:saxgourmet@...> [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>> > Datum:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:31 > Onderwerp:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece > > > “warmth in the center”…..what specifically does this mean? > > > >> On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Jurjen de Quelery <>jurjendequelery@... <mailto:jurjendequelery@yahoo.com> [MouthpieceWork] < <>MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Hello you all, >> >> I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound. >> >> What is the best way to achieve this goal? >> >> The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. >> >> Looking forward to your reply's, >> >> Grtzz Jurjen >> > > >
FROM: jurjendequelery (Jurjen de Quelery)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
Well, sorry this is what need to work with. Didn't mean to be vague. Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android Van:"STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Datum:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:42 Onderwerp:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece clear as mud……I hate these vague terms…..like “a good core to the sound”……seriously, we’re talking about musical sound, not Zen On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: If you see your sound as a circle. Than nkw the warmth of the sound is at the outside of that circle. He wants it more centered. So the warmth more in the centre of that circle. This also why i desided to ask it in this group. Hope i could explain it. ;-) kind regards, Jurjen Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android Van:"STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Datum:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:31 Onderwerp:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece “warmth in the center”…..what specifically does this mean? On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello you all, I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound. What is the best way to achieve this goal? The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. Looking forward to your reply's, Grtzz Jurjen
FROM: jurjendequelery (Jurjen de Quelery)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
In your terms. How can i get a more core sound in a classic mouthpiece? Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android Van:"STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Datum:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:42 Onderwerp:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece clear as mud……I hate these vague terms…..like “a good core to the sound”……seriously, we’re talking about musical sound, not Zen On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: If you see your sound as a circle. Than nkw the warmth of the sound is at the outside of that circle. He wants it more centered. So the warmth more in the centre of that circle. This also why i desided to ask it in this group. Hope i could explain it. ;-) kind regards, Jurjen Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android Van:"STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Datum:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:31 Onderwerp:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece “warmth in the center”…..what specifically does this mean? On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello you all, I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound. What is the best way to achieve this goal? The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. Looking forward to your reply's, Grtzz Jurjen
FROM: moeaaron (Barry Levine)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
I have to agree with Steve. Such descriptions don't work. Ask your client to identify some recordings he admires. I'm sure there are some songs on youtube you could both easily access. BTW, speaking of describing saxophone sound in words, I love what Paul Desmond is reported to have said, that he wanted to sound "like a dry martini." Barry On 9/3/2015 8:42 AM, STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork] wrote: > > clear as mud……I hate these vague terms…..like “a good core to the > sound”……seriously, we’re talking about musical sound, not Zen > > > > >> On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Jurjen de Quelery >> jurjendequelery@... <mailto:jurjendequelery@...> >> [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >> >> If you see your sound as a circle. Than nkw the warmth of the sound >> is at the outside of that circle. He wants it more centered. So the >> warmth more in the centre of that circle. >> >> This also why i desided to ask it in this group. >> >> Hope i could explain it. ;-) >> >> kind regards, >> >> Jurjen >> >> Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android >> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Van*:"STEVE GOODSONsaxgourmet@... >> <mailto:saxgourmet@...>[MouthpieceWork]" >> <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>> >> *Datum*:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:31 >> *Onderwerp*:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece >> >> “warmth in the center”…..what specifically does this mean? >> >> >> >>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Jurjen de >>> Queleryjurjendequelery@... >>> <mailto:jurjendequelery@...>[MouthpieceWork] >>> <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello you all, >>> >>> I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber >>> mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the >>> center of the sound. >>> >>> What is the best way to achieve this goal? >>> >>> The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. >>> >>> Looking forward to your reply's, >>> >>> Grtzz Jurjen >>> >> >> > > -- Barry Levine 10 Hillshire Ln Norwood MA 02062-3009 781-769-5931
FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
you will NEVER satisfy a client who cannot describe their needs in easily understood terms….. > On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Barry Levine barrylevine@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I have to agree with Steve. Such descriptions don't work. > > Ask your client to identify some recordings he admires. I'm sure there > are some songs on youtube you could both easily access. > > BTW, speaking of describing saxophone sound in words, I love what Paul > Desmond is reported to have said, that he wanted to sound "like a dry > martini." > > Barry > > On 9/3/2015 8:42 AM, STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... <mailto:saxgourmet@...> [MouthpieceWork] > wrote: > > > > clear as mud……I hate these vague terms…..like “a good core to the > > sound”……seriously, we’re talking about musical sound, not Zen > > > > > > > > > >> On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Jurjen de Quelery > >> jurjendequelery@... <mailto:jurjendequelery@yahoo.com> <mailto:jurjendequelery@... <mailto:jurjendequelery@...>> > >> [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> > >> <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> If you see your sound as a circle. Than nkw the warmth of the sound > >> is at the outside of that circle. He wants it more centered. So the > >> warmth more in the centre of that circle. > >> > >> This also why i desided to ask it in this group. > >> > >> Hope i could explain it. ;-) > >> > >> kind regards, > >> > >> Jurjen > >> > >> Verzonden via Yahoo Mail op Android > >> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >> *Van*:"STEVE GOODSONsaxgourmet@... <mailto:GOODSONsaxgourmet@...> > >> <mailto:saxgourmet@... <mailto:saxgourmet@...>>[MouthpieceWork]" > >> <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>>> > >> *Datum*:do, sep. 3, 2015 om 14:31 > >> *Onderwerp*:Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece > >> > >> “warmth in the center”…..what specifically does this mean? > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Jurjen de > >>> Queleryjurjendequelery@... <mailto:Queleryjurjendequelery@yahoo.com> > >>> <mailto:jurjendequelery@... <mailto:jurjendequelery@yahoo.com>>[MouthpieceWork] > >>> <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> > >>> <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello you all, > >>> > >>> I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber > >>> mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the > >>> center of the sound. > >>> > >>> What is the best way to achieve this goal? > >>> > >>> The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. > >>> > >>> Looking forward to your reply's, > >>> > >>> Grtzz Jurjen > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > Barry Levine > 10 Hillshire Ln > Norwood MA 02062-3009 > 781-769-5931 > > >
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
I try to get my clients to describe sound changes they want as brighter/darker and focused/spread (fat). Warmth can come from a more spread sound. I might make the the throat larger. But this may not be needed if there are facing issues that need to be corrected. I tell my clients that facing changes primarily address response. But if the mouthpiece responds better for them, they may be able to sculpt the sound more to their liking without chamber modifications. Occasionally a client asked for a more focused sound which I think comes from a smaller chamber. But they don't like it and the chamber needs to be enlarged in a follow-up adjustment. I use temporary putty as a test when I can to see if they like going in that direction and whether they want more/less. > On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:50 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hello you all, > > I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound. > > What is the best way to achieve this goal? > > The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece. > > Looking forward to your reply's, > > Grtzz Jurjen >
FROM: bradbehn (Brad Behn)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
Keith,
Your words are superb. Excellent advise!
I think warmth in the center would mean (not too edgy)...my two cents.
I think the client's goal is to get a dense, centered sound which isn't spread, and isn't edgy or bright. Basically the objective being a balanced sound.
Keith said: "if the mouthpiece responds better for them, they may be able to sculpt the sound more to their liking"
Bravo! I too find that to make the facing efficient (reliable response and comfortable balance of resistance and freedom) allows the client more freedom to create their ideal.
Bradford Behn
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:23:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
I try to get my clients to describe sound changes they want as brighter/darker and focused/spread (fat). Warmth can come from a more spread sound. I might make the the throat larger.
But this may not be needed if there are facing issues that need to be corrected. I tell my clients that facing changes primarily address response. But if the mouthpiece responds better for them, they may be able to sculpt the sound more to their liking without chamber modifications.
Occasionally a client asked for a more focused sound which I think comes from a smaller chamber. But they don't like it and the chamber needs to be enlarged in a follow-up adjustment. I use temporary putty as a test when I can to see if they like going in that direction and whether they want more/less.
On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:50 AM, Jurjen de Quelery jurjendequelery@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hello you all,
I have a question. I need to reface a classic alto hard rubber mouthpiece. The client especially asked for more warmth in the center of the sound.
What is the best way to achieve this goal?
The mouthpiece i need to work on is the Selmer Concept mouthpiece.
Looking forward to your reply's,
Grtzz Jurjen
FROM: mikevaccaro2 (Mike Vaccaro)
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
I think he just wants it to play easier. However I agree the description the client gives is not very valid. It becomes a guessing game. Mike Vaccaro www.mikevaccaro.com <http://www.mikevaccaro.com/> www.saxandclarinetmouthpieces.com <http://www.saxandclarinetmouthpieces.com/> www.clarinetbarrelsandbells.com <http://www.clarinetbarrelsandbells.com/> www.avclarinets.com <http://www.avclarinets.com/> 800-449-8975 Toll Free 562-424-4958 Telephone 562-424-2512 Fax Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-mail message, and any files transmitted with it, is CONFIDENTIAL, may be legally privileged and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are the intended recipient, be aware that state and federal privacy laws may restrict your use of any confidential or personal information contained herein. If you are not the intended recipient, you are herby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this e-mail message. If you have receive this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender Mike Vaccaro, 562-424-4958, or mike@... <mailto:mike@...> and delete the material from and computer thank you.
FROM: frymorgan ()
SUBJECT: Re: Classic hard rubber mouthpiece
Sure, the request is kind of vague, but many players think of the sound in terms like this so if you're charging money then figuring this stuff out is part of the job IMO. Talk to your guy some more. If they're local it's easiest, but a phone call is always better than email. You have to be able to translate these concepts into something actionable, whether it's on Mojo's bright/dark vs. focused/spread space, or however it is you think about it. All that aside, the Concept is basically the old Airflow, and Selmer has a preference for short facings. Your guy may need a larger chambered piece or a longer and/or flatter facing. The precise combination of acoustic, aerodynamic, and mechanical changes required I couldn't possibly guess without playing the piece.