Hi , can anyone tell me the best way to put a curve on a facing.  do you use files or what? I have tried the Sandpaper technique but my curve seem a tad flat. I have watched the mojo vids and read the Ban book but I am still at a loss. 

tahnks
 

Sandpaper + glass/feeler gauges + practise. Get a bunch of the cheapest mouthpieces possible to wreck on your way to figuring it out.

I already have all the bits. just can't work out how to make a decent curve. like in the band book it seem that my curve is starting way to close to the tip.
 


     On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:33 PM, "frymorgan@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

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You are obviously making an error in measuring


On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "rog cros rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 
> I already have all the bits. just can't work out how to make a decent curve. like in the band book it seem that my curve is starting way to close to the tip.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:33 PM, "frymorgan@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> Sandpaper + glass/feeler gauges + practise. Get a bunch of the cheapest mouthpieces possible to wreck on your way to figuring it out.
> 
> 
> 
> 

If the curve starts too close to the tip, remove material so that it starts
farther from the tip. It takes lots and lots and lots of practice. Also, it
helps a lot to have a teacher.

Nick


On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@...
[MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> You are obviously making an error in measuring
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "rog cros rogcros@...
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rogcros@...');> [MouthpieceWork]" <
> MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com');>> wrote:
>
>
>
> I already have all the bits. just can't work out how to make a decent
> curve. like in the band book it seem that my curve is starting way to close
> to the tip.
>
>
>
>   On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:33 PM, "frymorgan@...
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','frymorgan@...m');> [MouthpieceWork]" <
> MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com');>> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Sandpaper + glass/feeler gauges + practise. Get a bunch of the cheapest
> mouthpieces possible to wreck on your way to figuring it out.
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Are there any teachers available to give lesson? 


     On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:45 PM, "nick videen thedeannv@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     If the curve starts too close to the tip, remove material so that it starts farther from the tip. It takes lots and lots and lots of practice. Also, it helps a lot to have a teacher.
Nick 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     You are obviously making an error in measuring

On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "rog cros rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   
I already have all the bits. just can't work out how to make a decent curve. like in the band book it seem that my curve is starting way to close to the tip.
 


     On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:33 PM, "frymorgan@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Sandpaper + glass/feeler gauges + practise. Get a bunch of the cheapest mouthpieces possible to wreck on your way to figuring it out.  

   
  

   
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http://nationofmusic.com/shop/instructional-dvds/mouthpiece-refacing-with-steve-goodson-dvd/





On Apr 22, 2015, at 1:40 PM, "rog cros rogcros@yahoo.com [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 
> Are there any teachers available to give lesson?
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:45 PM, "nick videen thedeannv@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> If the curve starts too close to the tip, remove material so that it starts farther from the tip. It takes lots and lots and lots of practice. Also, it helps a lot to have a teacher.
> 
> Nick 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>  
> You are obviously making an error in measuring
> 
> 
> On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "rog cros rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>>  
>> 
>> I already have all the bits. just can't work out how to make a decent curve. like in the band book it seem that my curve is starting way to close to the tip.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:33 PM, "frymorgan@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Sandpaper + glass/feeler gauges + practise. Get a bunch of the cheapest mouthpieces possible to wreck on your way to figuring it out.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

I have the Dvd already, thanks 


     On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:51 PM, "STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     [Attachment(s) from STEVE GOODSON included below] http://nationofmusic.com/shop/instructional-dvds/mouthpiece-refacing-with-steve-goodson-dvd/



On Apr 22, 2015, at 1:40 PM, "rog cros rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   
Are there any teachers available to give lesson? 


     On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:45 PM, "nick videen thedeannv@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     If the curve starts too close to the tip, remove material so that it starts farther from the tip. It takes lots and lots and lots of practice. Also, it helps a lot to have a teacher.
Nick 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, STEVE GOODSON saxgourmet@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     You are obviously making an error in measuring

On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "rog cros rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   
I already have all the bits. just can't work out how to make a decent curve. like in the band book it seem that my curve is starting way to close to the tip.
 


     On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:33 PM, "frymorgan@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Sandpaper + glass/feeler gauges + practise. Get a bunch of the cheapest mouthpieces possible to wreck on your way to figuring it out.  

   
  

   
  

   
  

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Do you have a facing curve target for the tip opening and each of your feeler gauges?   As you work on the facing, does it get closer to your targets?  Do you keep adjusting until you reach your targets?  How close?  

When you measure a facing curve several times, do you get the same numbers?  How close?

> On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:43 PM, rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi , can anyone tell me the best way to put a curve on a facing.  do you use files or what? I have tried the Sandpaper technique but my curve seem a tad flat. I have watched the mojo vids and read the Ban book but I am still at a loss. 
> 
> tahnks
> 
> 
> 
> 

I dont really have a target , I try to make it playable at around .100. So , I open up the tip via sandpaper then try to make the rails flat after I open it up. 

I test the rails starting at.0015 which is wher the curve starts then try and corect rails using the feeler sizes below

my feelers are 

.0015
.002
.004
.006
.008
.010
.015

Am I doing something wrong?

I would say so.  If you do not have a destination, any map will do.  Seems like you have looked at most of the resources available to you.  I'm not sure why you are not following the recommended steps.
       From: "rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
 To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:18 AM
 Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Putting a Curve on that facing
   
    I dont really have a target , I try to make it playable at around .100. So , I open up the tip via sandpaper then try to make the rails flat after I open it up. 

I test the rails starting at.0015 which is wher the curve starts then try and corect rails using the feeler sizes below

my feelers are 

.0015
.002
.004
.006
.008
.010
.015

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Now , that is funny. Ok , I will re-evaluate and try and follow the steps again, in the proper fashion.thanks 


     On Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:46 PM, "Keith Bradbury kwbradbury@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     I would say so.  If you do not have a destination, any map will do.  Seems like you have looked at most of the resources available to you.  I'm not sure why you are not following the recommended steps.
       From: "rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
 To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:18 AM
 Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Putting a Curve on that facing
   
    I dont really have a target , I try to make it playable at around .100. So , I open up the tip via sandpaper then try to make the rails flat after I open it up. 

I test the rails starting at.0015 which is wher the curve starts then try and corect rails using the feeler sizes below

my feelers are 

.0015
.002
.004
.006
.008
.010
.015

Am I doing something wrong?  

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If you are shooting for a .100 tip opening, you will need feeler gauges  
larger than what you list.  How long is the facing you are shooting  for?
Dan Marsteller
 
 
In a message dated 4/23/2015 9:56:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com writes:

 
 
 
 
Now , that is funny. Ok , I will  re-evaluate and try and follow the steps 
again, in the proper  fashion.
thanks





 
 
On Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:46 PM,  "Keith Bradbury kwbradbury@... 
[MouthpieceWork]"  <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




 
 
 
 
 

 


I would say  so.  If you do not have a destination, any map will do.  Seems 
like  you have looked at most of the resources available to you.  I'm not 
sure  why you are not following the recommended steps.


 
 
  
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 From:  "rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork]" 
<MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
To:  MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:18  AM
Subject:  [MouthpieceWork] Re: Putting a Curve on that facing



 
 
 
 
I dont really have a  target , I try to make it playable at around .100. So 
, I open up the tip via  sandpaper then try to make the rails flat after I 
open it up. 

I test the rails starting at.0015 which is wher the  curve starts then try 
and corect rails using the feeler sizes below

my feelers are 

.0015
.002
.004
.006
.008
.010
.015

Am I doing something wrong?

Hi Dan , my facing is 40mm long . can you tell me what numbers I should get for an .100 facing ?
Thanks, Roger
 


     On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:16 PM, "dandjmars@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     If you are shooting for a .100 tip opening, you will need feeler gauges larger than what you list.  How long is the facing you are shooting for?Dan Marsteller In a message dated 4/23/2015 9:56:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com writes:
     Now , that is funny. Ok , I will re-evaluate and try and follow the steps again, in the proper fashion. thanks
 

    On Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:46 PM, "Keith Bradbury kwbradbury@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


            I would say so.  If you do not have a destination, any map will do.  Seems like you have looked at most of the resources available to you.  I'm not sure why you are not following the recommended steps.
       From: "rogcros@yahoo.com [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:18 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Putting a Curve on that facing
 
       I dont really have a target , I try to make it playable at around .100. So , I open up the tip via sandpaper then try to make the rails flat after I open it up. 

I test the rails starting at.0015 which is wher the curve starts then try and corect rails using the feeler sizes below

my feelers are 

.0015
.002
.004
.006
.008
.010
.015

Am I doing something wrong? 

   

  
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A facing length of 40 mm is way too long for tenor sax.

Facing length, as measured with the .0015" feeler ("one and a half thousandths") should be 
about 24 mm for a medium length facing (a "48" on most glass gauges).

For most facings, the next feeler should be the .010" and be 5 mm shorter, or 19 mm (38 on 
the glass gauge).

The .015" (I use a .014", but it won't make any difference) will be another 2mm shorter, or 
17 mm (34 on the glass gauge).

Your .002" through .008" feelers are not really useful other than perhaps substituting the 
.002" for the .0015" feeler in order to use a little more durable feeler.  It will give practically 
the same reading as the .0015".  The same is true of the .008" and .010".  They are so 
close as to not be useful.

You need also a .024" or .025" feeler, .031" (some use .034" or .035"), .048" (or .050"), 
.063", .078", .094".  These will work for most clarinet, soprano sax, alto, tenor and baritone 
sax mouthpieces.  You might also want .108" and .120" for working on larger tenor and 
bari mouthpieces.

Make sure of your glass guage.  Is it marked in mm's or in half mm's?  Use a ruler to 
check.  Does 10 on the gauge measure as 10 mm or 5 mm?

Paul C.

Hi Paul, I have looked again and the facing lenght is : 27mm as glass gague goes up in 1mm increments. You half the number?

The feelers seem to be bang on target , thanks to you I have adjusted.
Here are the readings with your new sizes

27 (0015)20   (010)13 (.025)12 (.030)10.5 (.030)8   (.050)6  (.065) bit dodgy with 4 feelers

these are the best readings I can get due to the size of my feelers. The facing seems bang on' laying flat on the lines. The only problem is I cant get a good reading of the tip size.
 The piece is sounding good now, thanks. Do I need to adjust the baffle , have you got any tips? I have always wanted to learn how to adjust the baffle to get the perfect sound.
Thanks , 
Roger





   
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  On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:03 PM, "tenorman1952@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     A facing length of 40 mm is way too long for tenor sax.

Facing length, as measured with the .0015" feeler ("one and a half thousandths") should be 
about 24 mm for a medium length facing (a "48" on most glass gauges).

For most facings, the next feeler should be the .010" and be 5 mm shorter, or 19 mm (38 on 
the glass gauge).

The .015" (I use a .014", but it won't make any difference) will be another 2mm shorter, or 
17 mm (34 on the glass gauge).

Your .002" through .008" feelers are not really useful other than perhaps substituting the 
.002" for the .0015" feeler in order to use a little more durable feeler.  It will give practically 
the same reading as the .0015".  The same is true of the .008" and .010".  They are so 
close as to not be useful.

You need also a .024" or .025" feeler, .031" (some use .034" or .035"), .048" (or .050"), 
.063", .078", .094".  These will work for most clarinet, soprano sax, alto, tenor and baritone 
sax mouthpieces.  You might also want .108" and .120" for working on larger tenor and 
bari mouthpieces.

Make sure of your glass guage.  Is it marked in mm's or in half mm's?  Use a ruler to 
check.  Does 10 on the gauge measure as 10 mm or 5 mm?

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Here are some tenor sax facing curves.

.0015"___24___23___22  mm's
.010"____19___18___18
.014"____17___16___16
.024"____14___13___13
.031"____12___11___11
.048"_____9____8____8
.063"_____6____5____5
.077"_____4____3____3
tip____.100"_.098"_.098"

Here is a longer 24 mm facing, with narrower tip

.0015"___24  mm's
.010"____19
.014"____17
.024"____13
.031"____11
.048"_____7
.063"_____4
.077"_____2
tip____.090"

I consider facing lengths (in mm's) to be

Soprano 16-17 (medium), 18 mm (long)
Alto 19-20 mm (short), 21 mm (medium), 22-23 mm (long)
Tenor 20-21 mm (short), 22-23 mm (medium), 24-25 mm (long)
Bari 24 mm (short), 25-26 mm (medium), 27 mm long

I has misspoke in the earlier email saying 24 was a medium facing... it is, for large 
tip openings.  For more common tip openings it is long, and I consider 22 mm as 
medium.

I keep a notebook on mouthpieces I reface, customer's name, mouthpiece specifics 
(model, type, facing number, etc), a "before" measurement, and an "after" measurement.

Paul C.

I do not get accurate measurements with "stacked" feelers.  Try to get the correct 
feelers, or ones close.  For example, a .0015" or .002", either will work fine for 
facing length, with the .002" being more durable but measuring perhaps 0.5 - 1 mm 
shorter.  Not a big deal is you are aware of it. (metric equivalents 0,04 and 0,05 mm)

For the seconds feeler, .010"  (or metric equivilent 0,25mm).

For the third feeler, .014" or .015".  (0.35 mm or 0,4 mm)  These will give almost 
identical measurements.

For the fourth feeler, .024" or .025". (0,6 mm)  These will give almost identical 
measurements.

.048" - .050" (1.2 mm)  These will give almost identical measurements.

.063"  (1.6 mm)

.077" or .078" (2.0 mm)

.094"  (2.4 mm)  You could probably also use 2.5 mm, but 2.5 mm (.098") is a 
popular tip opening for tenor, and you could not the the feeler measurement just 
short of the tip.

Paul

Thanks again , I tried to follow your guide for tip openings for .100 , and now  i have lost it. All the numbers including the 1st .0015 have gone haywire. Now it is all over the place an I can't get back to the 1st post. The peice looks good but that's it , jeez!
Totally depressing,Roger
  


     On Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:24 PM, "tenorman1952@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     I do not get accurate measurements with "stacked" feelers.  Try to get the correct 
feelers, or ones close.  For example, a .0015" or .002", either will work fine for 
facing length, with the .002" being more durable but measuring perhaps 0.5 - 1 mm 
shorter.  Not a big deal is you are aware of it. (metric equivalents 0,04 and 0,05 mm)

For the seconds feeler, .010"  (or metric equivilent 0,25mm).

For the third feeler, .014" or .015".  (0.35 mm or 0,4 mm)  These will give almost 
identical measurements.

For the fourth feeler, .024" or .025". (0,6 mm)  These will give almost identical 
measurements.

.048" - .050" (1.2 mm)  These will give almost identical measurements.

.063"  (1.6 mm)

.077" or .078" (2.0 mm)

.094"  (2.4 mm)  You could probably also use 2.5 mm, but 2.5 mm (.098") is a 
popular tip opening for tenor, and you could not the the feeler measurement just 
short of the tip.

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Try taking a little off the table, as you would flattening the table, until you have all readings shorter 
than the list I gave, then start over.

Paul

Sounds like your table became convex and now your glass gauge is rocking depending on where you place your thumb holding it.  Check for table flatness with a straight edge (edge of a thick feeler usually works).

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> On Apr 30, 2015, at 11:10 AM, rog cros rogcros@... [MouthpieceWork] <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks again , I tried to follow your guide for tip openings for .100 , and now  i have lost it. All the numbers including the 1st .0015 have gone haywire. Now it is all over the place an I can't get back to the 1st post. The peice looks good but that's it , jeez!
> Totally depressing,
> Roger
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:24 PM, "tenorman1952@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> I do not get accurate measurements with "stacked" feelers.  Try to get the correct 
> feelers, or ones close.  For example, a .0015" or .002", either will work fine for 
> facing length, with the .002" being more durable but measuring perhaps 0.5 - 1 mm 
> shorter.  Not a big deal is you are aware of it. (metric equivalents 0,04 and 0,05 mm)
> 
> For the seconds feeler, .010"  (or metric equivilent 0,25mm).
> 
> For the third feeler, .014" or .015".  (0.35 mm or 0,4 mm)  These will give almost 
> identical measurements.
> 
> For the fourth feeler, .024" or .025". (0,6 mm)  These will give almost identical 
> measurements.
> 
> .048" - .050" (1.2 mm)  These will give almost identical measurements.
> 
> .063"  (1.6 mm)
> 
> .077" or .078" (2.0 mm)
> 
> .094"  (2.4 mm)  You could probably also use 2.5 mm, but 2.5 mm (.098") is a 
> popular tip opening for tenor, and you could not the the feeler measurement just 
> short of the tip.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 

As for stacked feelers, I had to stack two for the .034 feeler and taped them tightly together.  I measured each side with my micrometer and one side was perfect, the other side not.  So...there is a red mark on the correct side.  Same masking tape for 12 years!
Dave

One suggestion is to use a pencil to mark the rails of the mouthpiece.  You could mark the rails as an example at your first station  ie. 50.  The .0015 spot.  Once you have this measurement happening then use the pencil to show this is done.  You can mark the area of 50 and more on the rails.   As you work on the next station say. .010 make sure you don't remove any pencil marks or you are undoing your work.  Devise your own system.  In my experience I have found that obtaining the feel for what part of the curve you are working on exactly is difficult.   The pencil helps.  
I have also dabbled with using rollers as a guide getting a curve.  Will Grizzle suggested it and said it came from Johnston.   You can use drill bits of certain diameters (non cutting portion). and place one under the table of the mouthpiece.  Roll it back and forth.  I used maybe 5 or 6 of these and some needle springs for a few stations furthest from the tip.


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Hi John, you said;
''I have also dabbled with using rollers as a guide getting a curve. Will Grizzle suggested it and said it came from Johnston. You can use drill bits of certain diameters (non cutting portion). and place one under the table of the mouthpiece. Roll it back and forth. I used maybe 5 or 6 of these and some needle springs for a few stations furthest from the tip.''
 
Can you clarify that statement as I have no idea what you actuall mean . Maybe a diagram . 
Lastly thanks all for the comments. I am still struggling to get to the 1st mark at .0015.
Roger



     On Saturday, May 2, 2015 1:42 PM, "john price john_w_price33@... [MouthpieceWork]" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     One suggestion is to use a pencil to mark the rails of the mouthpiece. You could mark the rails as an example at your first station ie. 50. The .0015 spot. Once you have this measurement happening then use the pencil to show this is done. You can mark the area of 50 and more on the rails. As you work on the next station say. .010 make sure you don't remove any pencil marks or you are undoing your work. Devise your own system. In my experience I have found that obtaining the feel for what part of the curve you are working on exactly is difficult. The pencil helps. 
I have also dabbled with using rollers as a guide getting a curve. Will Grizzle suggested it and said it came from Johnston. You can use drill bits of certain diameters (non cutting portion). and place one under the table of the mouthpiece. Roll it back and forth. I used maybe 5 or 6 of these and some needle springs for a few stations furthest from the tip.

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Hi Roger,   What measurement are you getting with the .0015" feeler gauge?