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Most two part Epoxy materials are significantly toxic after they cure.  
Not recommended for inside the body use.  There are some dental 
materials that could be used.

Bill Harwood

We now make most "after market" baffles from metal…..they're friction fit, and removable


On Oct 9, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Bill <w5wh@...> wrote:

> Most two part Epoxy materials are significantly toxic after they cure. 
> Not recommended for inside the body use. There are some dental 
> materials that could be used.
> 
> Bill Harwood
> 

 

Well, with all due respect, we are not grinding up epoxy baffles and
eating them, nor implanting them inside the body cavity. 

True, an
epoxy mouthpiece baffle is bathed in saliva, so there would be some
chance for unpolymerized components at the surface to be dissolved,
ingested. Although I would be more worried about the long-term exposure
of mucous membranes of the mouth to such chemicals. 

Paul's suggestion
of coating with nail polish seems smart, in this regard - although how
inert is nail polish? 

To put things in perspective, the risk of buying
the farm due to an auto accident on the way to a gig probably is several
orders of magnitude greater than any risk from mouthpiece baffles of
cured epoxy. 

Barry Levine 

On 2013-10-09 09:44, Bill wrote: 

> Most
two part Epoxy materials are significantly toxic after they cure. 
> Not
recommended for inside the body use. There are some dental 
> materials
that could be used.
> 
> Bill Harwood 
> 




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I TOTALLY agree with Barry……I do not believe there is any danger to the player



On Oct 9, 2013, at 9:13 AM, barrylevine <barrylevine@norwoodlight.com> wrote:

> 
> Well, with all due respect, we are not grinding up epoxy baffles and eating them, nor implanting them inside the body cavity.
> 
> True, an epoxy mouthpiece baffle is bathed in saliva, so there would be some chance for unpolymerized components at the surface to be dissolved, ingested. Although I would be more worried about the long-term exposure of mucous membranes of the mouth to such chemicals.
> 
> Paul's suggestion of coating with nail polish seems smart, in this regard - although how inert is nail polish?
> 
> To put things in perspective, the risk of buying the farm due to an auto accident on the way to a gig probably is several orders of magnitude greater than any risk from mouthpiece baffles of cured epoxy.
> 
> Barry Levine
> 
>  
> On 2013-10-09 09:44, Bill wrote:
> 
>>  
>> Most two part Epoxy materials are significantly toxic after they cure. 
>> Not recommended for inside the body use. There are some dental 
>> materials that could be used.
>> 
>> Bill Harwood
>> 
>  
>  
> 
> 

 

 If you're looking for a good friction fit, but also for
removability of a baffle in a metal mouthpiece, don't you need a little
"give" in the baffle insert, since the metal mouthpiece has no give.


I'd think for a metal mouthpiece, a plastic baffle insert is a
necessity, in order to get a tight fit, removability, and also some
small ability to alter its position between the tip and the throat.
Small increments here can make a difference. (Hmm, just had an idea how
one might lock the position with a small set-screw) 

On 2013-10-09
09:54, STEVE GOODSON wrote: 

> We now make most "after market" baffles
from metal…..they're friction fit, and removable 
> 
> On Oct 9, 2013,
at 8:44 AM, Bill <w5wh@... [1]> wrote: 
> 
>> Most two part
Epoxy materials are significantly toxic after they cure. 
>> Not
recommended for inside the body use. There are some dental 
>> materials
that could be used.
>> 
>> Bill Harwood
> 
> 




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I use a dental acrylic resin powder material that is a little more
challenging to work with than epoxy but I feel a little more comfortable.
 It is also a nice bite plate replacement material.  It's harder than sheet
acrylic but it polishes to a really nice luster.


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Bill <w5wh@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Most two part Epoxy materials are significantly toxic after they cure.
> Not recommended for inside the body use. There are some dental
> materials that could be used.
>
> Bill Harwood
>  
>



-- 
Matt
www.matthewvossjazz.com

this has NOT been an issue with the brass baffles……I can (and do) also make them from polycarbonate


On Oct 9, 2013, at 9:23 AM, barrylevine <barrylevine@...> wrote:

> 
>  If you're looking for a good friction fit, but also for removability of a baffle in a metal mouthpiece, don't you need a little "give" in the baffle insert, since the metal mouthpiece has no give. 
> 
> I'd think for a metal mouthpiece, a plastic baffle insert is a necessity, in order to get a tight fit, removability, and also some small ability to alter its position between the tip and the throat. Small increments here can make a difference. (Hmm, just had an idea how one might lock the position with a small set-screw)
> 
>  
> On 2013-10-09 09:54, STEVE GOODSON wrote:
> 
>>  
>> We now make most "after market" baffles from metal…..they're friction fit, and removable
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 9, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Bill <w5wh@...> wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> Most two part Epoxy materials are significantly toxic after they cure. 
>>> Not recommended for inside the body use. There are some dental 
>>> materials that could be used.
>>> 
>>> Bill Harwood
>>> 
>> 
>  
>  
> 
> 

There a products made for potable water systems. Any of those are
non-toxic.
On Oct 9, 2013 6:45 AM, <tenorman1952@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>  I use black plumbers epoxy putty, available in hardware and plumbing
> supply stores.  It has the consistency of stiff modeler's clay.  You can
> press it into the changer, mold it into shape with your finger dampened
> with water.  Yes, water.  It will not hurt the epoxy and keeps it from
> sticking to your finger while you shape it.  Wait for it to fully cure
> before filing on it, or it will just load up the teeth of our file.  Keep a
> file card handy to clean the file often as you work.
>
>
> The black color will blend well with black hard rubber.
>
>
> As far as I know, it is not toxic once cured.  If concerned, you could
> paint some clear fingernail polish over it when done.
>
>
> You have about 10 minutes working time after you have mixed the putty
> (kneading it together for a few minutes).
>
>
> Paul C.
>
>
> ---In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, <mouthpiecework@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello-
>
> What is the best option for an epoxy baffle?  I tried to put in Quick
> Aluminum, and is was still "Squishy" after 2 days, and flaked off.  JB Weld?
>
> Also, is this stuff toxic after it's dried and solidified?
>
> Thanks, Lori T
>  
>

Plumbers epoxy often states on the package that it is safe for drinking
water supply repairs. That is non toxic enough for me! JB Weld will be
tougher, but is not made for the purpose. Who knows what might leach out of
something meant to repair industrial metal parts.
Brass soft enough to machine easily has usually had some lead in it. That
has been a controversial issue for the plumbing industry. You may get more
lead from your mouthpiece than any insert material you use, especially if
you do not have it plated.
In short, use the plumber's epoxy that says it is safe or run around like
Chicken Little and scream the sky is falling.

Sent from my Android cell phone, so spelling may suffer or be over
corrected.

Something was wrong with the Quick Aluminum or it was not thoroughly mixed.  It should harden.

On Oct 8, 2013, at 1:50 PM, <lthom172@...> wrote:

> Hello-
> 
> What is the best option for an epoxy baffle?  I tried to put in Quick Aluminum, and is was still "Squishy" after 2 days, and flaked off.  JB Weld?
> 
> Also, is this stuff toxic after it's dried and solidified?
> 
> Thanks, Lori T
> 
>