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saxgourmet@cox.net wrote: From: Steve Goodson  To:
"MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting
design…… Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:45:04 -0500 I have been told in another
group that this product is from Bari mouthpieces....I did not know....somebody
sent me what I posted with no other information Sent from my iPad STEVE
GOODSON Saxophone Guru and Visionary New Orleans
[www.nationofmusic.com](http://www.nationofmusic.com) On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:22
PM, [kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp](mailto:kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp) wrote: > I
particularly like the ring of rocket nozzles at the end ;) \\--- STEVE GOODSON
<[[saxgourmet@cox.net](mailto:saxgourmet@cox.net)](mailto:saxgourmet%40cox.net)>
wrote: > the typo is on the maker…..I have nothing to do with this, but am
ALWAYS > happy to see new ideas > > > > > On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:18 AM,
Michael D. Collins wrote: > > > > > I wonder if the PGA will permit a player
to carry this “club” in the bag. > is it aluminum “shaft”? wow daddyO!! > >
love to hear a sound bite. > > > > p.s. possible typo in description: “Vortex
Chamber – This Vortex > Technology™ is a one of a kind chamber to project and
enhances [sic] air > flow.” > > > > From: STEVE GOODSON > > Sent: Thursday,
July 19, 2012 11:58 AM > > To: >
[[SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com](mailto:SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:SaxophoneRepair%40yahoogroups.com)
> ; >
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com)
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design…… > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Gimmickery or actual design advancement? Whatchy'all think? \\---
saxgourmet@cox.net wrote: From: Steve Goodson  To:
"MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting
design…… Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:45:04 -0500 I have been told in another
group that this product is from Bari mouthpieces....I did not know....somebody
sent me what I posted with no other information Sent from my iPad STEVE
GOODSON Saxophone Guru and Visionary New Orleans
[www.nationofmusic.com](http://www.nationofmusic.com) On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:22
PM, [kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp](mailto:kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp) wrote: > I
particularly like the ring of rocket nozzles at the end ;) \\--- STEVE GOODSON
<[[saxgourmet@cox.net](mailto:saxgourmet@cox.net)](mailto:saxgourmet%40cox.net)>
wrote: > the typo is on the maker…..I have nothing to do with this, but am
ALWAYS > happy to see new ideas > > > > > On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:18 AM,
Michael D. Collins wrote: > > > > > I wonder if the PGA will permit a player
to carry this “club” in the bag. > is it aluminum “shaft”? wow daddyO!! > >
love to hear a sound bite. > > > > p.s. possible typo in description: “Vortex
Chamber – This Vortex > Technology™ is a one of a kind chamber to project and
enhances [sic] air > flow.” > > > > From: STEVE GOODSON > > Sent: Thursday,
July 19, 2012 11:58 AM > > To: >
[[SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com](mailto:SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:SaxophoneRepair%40yahoogroups.com)
> ; >
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com)
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design…… > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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I have NOT actually seen or played an example, and hence have no opinion, but several aspects of the design look like they would (in theory at least) have some effect.  

Sent from my iPad

STEVE  GOODSON
Saxophone Guru and Visionary
New Orleans
www.nationofmusic.com



On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:00 PM, <gregwier@...> wrote:

> 
> http://www.trademarkia.com/cyclone-85492687.html
>  
> Gimmickery or actual design advancement?  Whatchy'all think?
> --- saxgourmet@... wrote:
> 
> From: Steve Goodson <saxgourmet@cox.net>
> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@...m>
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:45:04 -0500
> 
>  
> I have been told in another group that this product is from Bari mouthpieces....I did not know....somebody sent me what I posted with no other information
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> STEVE  GOODSON
> Saxophone Guru and Visionary
> New Orleans
> www.nationofmusic.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:22 PM, kymarto123@... wrote:
> 
>  
> I particularly like the ring of rocket nozzles at the end ;)
> 
> --- STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...> wrote:
> > the typo is on the maker…..I have nothing to do with this, but am ALWAYS happy to see new ideas
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Michael D. Collins wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I wonder if the PGA will permit a player to carry this “club” in the bag. is it aluminum “shaft”? wow daddyO!!
> > > love to hear a sound bite.
> > > 
> > > p.s. possible typo in description: “Vortex Chamber – This Vortex Technology™ is a one of a kind chamber to project and enhances [sic] air flow.”
> > > 
> > > From: STEVE GOODSON
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:58 AM
> > > To: SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com ; MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
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> Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.
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I thought it was made by Colibri.

--- On Fri, 7/20/12, Steve Goodson <saxgourmet@...> wrote:

From: Steve Goodson <saxgourmet@...>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 12:24 AM
















 



  


    
      
      
      I have NOT actually seen or played an example, and hence have no opinion, but several aspects of the design look like they would (in theory at least) have some effect.  

Sent from my iPad
STEVE  GOODSONSaxophone Guru and VisionaryNew Orleanswww.nationofmusic.com


On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:00 PM, <gregwier@...> wrote:






 



    
      
      
      
http://www.trademarkia.com/cyclone-85492687.html
 
Gimmickery or actual design advancement?  Whatchy'all think?
--- saxgourmet@... wrote:

From: Steve Goodson <saxgourmet@...>
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:45:04 -0500

  




I have been told in another group that this product is from Bari mouthpieces....I did not know....somebody sent me what I posted with no other information

Sent from my iPad


STEVE  GOODSON
Saxophone Guru and Visionary
New Orleans
www.nationofmusic.com





On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:22 PM, kymarto123@... wrote:




  


I particularly like the ring of rocket nozzles at the end ;)

--- STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...> wrote:
> the typo is on the maker…..I have nothing to do with this, but am ALWAYS happy to see new ideas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Michael D. Collins wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I wonder if the PGA will permit a player to carry this “club” in the bag. is it aluminum “shaft”? wow daddyO!!
> > love to hear a sound bite.
> > 
> > p.s. possible typo in description: “Vortex Chamber – This Vortex Technology™ is a one of a kind chamber to project and enhances [sic] air flow.”
> > 
> > From: STEVE GOODSON
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:58 AM
> > To: SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com ; MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
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This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------The apparent logic behind the chamber design is a vortex, presuming that the
human airstream will emulate a high velocity swirl. Maybe the hulk can achieve
that kind of windpower. The average human can blow with 10 to 15 pounds of
pressure. It has been my experience that any irregularities in a chamber other
than smooth will create turbulence which is an impediment to fast airflow.
\\--- kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp wrote: From: Toby  To:
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting
design…… Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:51:21 +0900 And "Tone Enhancing Control
Technology"! Do tell...You can do that by drilling a bunch of holes in solid
metal? On 7/21/2012 12:51 PM,
[kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp](mailto:kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp) wrote: > This design does
work well in high end Japanese toilets... > > \\--- On **Sat, 2012/7/21, Keith
Bradbury > _[](mailto:kwbradbury@yahoo.com)_** wrote: > > >> > I wonder if the
vortex chamber will be available with the opposite spin for > the southern
hemisphere? > **From:** STEVE GOODSON [](mailto:saxgourmet@cox.net) > **To:**
> [SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com](mailto:SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com); >
[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com) >
**Sent:** Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:58 AM > **Subject:** [MouthpieceWork]
Interesting design…… > > >
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The idea that one can create a vortex of blown air inside the mouthpiece is no more flawed than believing that there is a blown airstream or air flow of the slightest significance past the first 3/8" - 1/2" of the reed's tip.  A mouthpiece is not a wind tunnel for blown air traveling at what.....20m/sec (if that)?  It is a waveguide for a sound wave traveling at 345m/sec- the speed of sound.  That is how fast the reed is moving.  If you think that your glacially paced, blown air is somehow pushing the sound wave, think again. The reed is doing all the work.  Blown air simply creates a semi-constant air pressure at the reed tip which combines with the mouthpiece's ever changing, internal sound wave air pressure, and that +/- combination moves the tip of the reed - and all at the speed of sound.

--- On Sat, 7/21/12, gregwier@... <gregwier@...> wrote:

From: gregwier@... <gregwier@...>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 11:37 AM








 



  


    
      
      
      The apparent logic behind the chamber design is a vortex, presuming that the human airstream will emulate a high velocity swirl.  Maybe the hulk can achieve that kind of windpower.  The average human can blow with 10 to 15 pounds of pressure. 
 
It has been my experience that any irregularities in a chamber other than smooth will create turbulence which is an impediment to fast airflow.

--- kymarto123@... wrote:

From: Toby <kymarto123@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:51:21 +0900


And "Tone Enhancing Control Technology"! Do tell...You can do that by drilling a bunch of holes in solid metal?



On 7/21/2012 12:51 PM, kymarto123@... wrote:





This design does work well in high end Japanese toilets...

--- On Sat, 2012/7/21, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:





I wonder if the vortex chamber will be available with the opposite spin for the southern hemisphere?




From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...>
To: SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com; MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:58 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……



  






 
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Well put. 

Though glaciers move a bit slower.


On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:07 PM, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:

> The idea that one can create a vortex of blown air inside the mouthpiece is no more flawed than believing that there is a blown airstream or air flow of the slightest significance past the first 3/8" - 1/2" of the reed's tip.  A mouthpiece is not a wind tunnel for blown air traveling at what.....20m/sec (if that)?  It is a waveguide for a sound wave traveling at 345m/sec- the speed of sound.  That is how fast the reed is moving.  If you think that your glacially paced, blown air is somehow pushing the sound wave, think again. The reed is doing all the work.  Blown air simply creates a semi-constant air pressure at the reed tip which combines with the mouthpiece's ever changing, internal sound wave air pressure, and that +/- combination moves the tip of the reed - and all at the speed of sound.
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/21/12, gregwier@...m <gregwier@...> wrote:
> 
> From: gregwier@... <gregwier@...>
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 11:37 AM
> 
> The apparent logic behind the chamber design is a vortex, presuming that the human airstream will emulate a high velocity swirl.  Maybe the hulk can achieve that kind of windpower.  The average human can blow with 10 to 15 pounds of pressure. 
>  
> It has been my experience that any irregularities in a chamber other than smooth will create turbulence which is an impediment to fast airflow.
> 
> --- kymarto123@... wrote:
> 
> From: Toby <kymarto123@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:51:21 +0900
> 
> And "Tone Enhancing Control Technology"! Do tell...You can do that by drilling a bunch of holes in solid metal?
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/21/2012 12:51 PM, kymarto123@... wrote:
> This design does work well in high end Japanese toilets...
> 
> --- On Sat, 2012/7/21, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the vortex chamber will be available with the opposite spin for the southern hemisphere?
> 
> From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...>
> To: SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com; MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:58 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
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 The whole subject "baffles" me

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-----Original message-----
From: Keith Bradbury 
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" 
Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 12:45:46 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design… …

Well put. 

Though glaciers move a bit slower.


On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:07 PM, MartinMods  wrote:

> The idea that one can create a vortex of blown air inside the mouthpiece is no more flawed than believing that there is a blown airstream or air flow of the slightest significance past the first 3/8" - 1/2" of the reed's tip.  A mouthpiece is not a wind tunnel for blown air traveling at what.....20m/sec (if that)?  It is a waveguide for a sound wave traveling at 345m/sec- the speed of sound.  That is how fast the reed is moving.  If you think that your glacially paced, blown air is somehow pushing the sound wave, think again. The reed is doing all the work.  Blown air simply creates a semi-constant air pressure at the reed tip which combines with the mouthpiece's ever changing, internal sound wave air pressure, and that +/- combination moves the tip of the reed - and all at the speed of sound.
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/21/12, gregwier@netscape.com  wrote:
> 
> From: gregwier@netscape.com 
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 11:37 AM
> 
> The apparent logic behind the chamber design is a vortex, presuming that the human airstream will emulate a high velocity swirl.  Maybe the hulk can achieve that kind of windpower.  The average human can blow with 10 to 15 pounds of pressure. 
>  
> It has been my experience that any irregularities in a chamber other than smooth will create turbulence which is an impediment to fast airflow.
> 
> --- kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp wrote:
> 
> From: Toby 
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:51:21 +0900
> 
> And "Tone Enhancing Control Technology"! Do tell...You can do that by drilling a bunch of holes in solid metal?
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/21/2012 12:51 PM, kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp wrote:
> This design does work well in high end Japanese toilets...
> 
> --- On Sat, 2012/7/21, Keith Bradbury  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the vortex chamber will be available with the opposite spin for the southern hemisphere?
> 
> From: STEVE GOODSON 
> To: SaxophoneRepair@yahoogroups.com; MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:58 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Interesting design……
> 
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An interesting item came to the shop in the way of a Langenus duckbill clarinet mouthpiece. It is a fine player with a nice round, dark tone.  What is curious about this mouthpiece is that it is aftermarket stamped T.W.H. 1010.  It was speculated that the mouthpiece was rebored.  Which appears possibly to be another method of chamber enlargement. It tunes well only with 3 1/2 or harder reeds.  Would any of the clarinet mouthpiece experts care to explain this process or further discuss this technique?

Looks like it may have been rebored to suit something like a  B & H 1010 or
perhaps a large-bore Selmer or Conn.

Tony F.

 

From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of gregwier
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012 2:17 AM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Rebored clarinet mouthpiece...

 

  



An interesting item came to the shop in the way of a Langenus duckbill
clarinet mouthpiece. It is a fine player with a nice round, dark tone. What
is curious about this mouthpiece is that it is aftermarket stamped T.W.H.
1010. It was speculated that the mouthpiece was rebored. Which appears
possibly to be another method of chamber enlargement. It tunes well only
with 3 1/2 or harder reeds. Would any of the clarinet mouthpiece experts
care to explain this process or further discuss this technique?

This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Clarinet mouthpiece boring is usually to change tuning. On a different bore
clarinet, it would better tune with opening the bore equally throughout. For
pitch problems, basically, boring the inner part of the mouthpiece bore lowers
the left hand pitches and Visa Verasa.

KenL

On 08/01/12, gregwier wrote:

  
  
An interesting item came to the shop in the way of a Langenus duckbill
clarinet mouthpiece. It is a fine player with a nice round, dark tone. What is
curious about this mouthpiece is that it is aftermarket stamped T.W.H. 1010.
It was speculated that the mouthpiece was rebored. Which appears possibly to
be another method of chamber enlargement. It tunes well only with 3 1/2 or
harder reeds. Would any of the clarinet mouthpiece experts care to explain
this process or further discuss this technique?  
  

I suspect that TWH stands for T W Howarth.  Howarth are a major manufacturer of oboes used world wide but also have a large retail store  and repair workshop in London where they sell all woodwinds (except possibly flutes).
I know that the Howarth workshop does possess the neccesary reamers for this task.
The 1010 will refer to the B&H large bore instrument that requires a specific mouthpiece bore (essentially completely parallel throughout) to tune optimally.

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told me. \\--- norman.smale@googlemail.com wrote: From: "norman.smale"  To:
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Rebored clarinet
mouthpiece... Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:56:55 -0000 I suspect that TWH stands
for T W Howarth. Howarth are a major manufacturer of oboes used world wide but
also have a large retail store and repair workshop in London where they sell
all woodwinds (except possibly flutes). I know that the Howarth workshop does
possess the neccesary reamers for this task. The 1010 will refer to the B&H;
large bore instrument that requires a specific mouthpiece bore (essentially
completely parallel throughout) to tune optimally. * * * Netscape. Just the
Net You Need.

Howarth does make professional-level clarinets, priced at the same level as a Buffet R13.  I've played a few and liked them, though most professionals say they're not quite at the level of equivalent models from other makers.

Ken Shaw

Ken,
I understand that Howarth have now ceased clarinet manufacture.
I have handled several of their clarinets over recent years and they were very well made, better in most respects to any Buffet etc, and they introduced several innovative features.
Unfortunately they never really broke into the professional market which is key to getting the amateurs to buy (follow my leader etc.)

Most professionals I met who tried them were not persuaded to move.

Their clarinets were essentially handmade so they could not compete on price with Buffet and the other mass makers

The oboe world is quite different, with no mass makers of quality instruments and Howarth can sell their intermediate oboes for equivalent price of an R13 and their professional ones nearly double 
the price of a Tosca.

Incidentally 15-20 or more years back Howarth also tried to enter the Bassoon market but since this was virtually a 100% handmade operation they again had to abandon this venture after only a few years.
 
Norman

 
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth" <kkshaw43@...> wrote:
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> Howarth does make professional-level clarinets, priced at the same level as a Buffet R13.  I've played a few and liked them, though most professionals say they're not quite at the level of equivalent models from other makers.
> 
> Ken Shaw
>