Hello fellow members,

I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 

But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 

I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR

It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.

kind regards,

Koen

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
>
> Hello fellow members,
> 
> I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> 
> But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> 
> I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> 
> It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Koen

Koen, this type of baffle usually causes sluggish response and increased resistance.

Paul Coats

The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  

I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.

On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:

> Hello fellow members,
> 
> I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> 
> But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> 
> I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> 
> It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Koen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  

Looks like he's talking about a pretty large drop at the inside edge of the
tip rail into a concave "negative baffle".  The Ricos have a trough behind
the tip rail, with a "positive" baffle close behind. A while back there was
some very interesting discussion about this second type of trough being a
positive feature in some cases (like helping with squeak problems).  I've
worked on a few Rico pieces and generally preferred them with the trough
filled in.  Someone recommended gel-type super glue (cyano-acrylic) for
that, but I've never tried it.

Dan T

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.
>
> I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a
> Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not
> working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
>
> On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello fellow members,
>
> I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I
> allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail
> and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it
> the way I want.
>
> But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do?
> and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted
> rollover baffle.
>
> I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s
> the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
>
> It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo)
> and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
>
> kind regards,
>
> Koen
>
>  >
>  
>

--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> 
> The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  
> 
> I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
> 
> On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello fellow members,
> > 
> > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> > 
> > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> > 
> > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> > 
> > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> > 
> > kind regards,
> > 
> > Koen
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  

IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.




--- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:

From: kymarto123@ybb.ne.jp <kymarto123@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
















 



  


    
      
      
      

--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> 

> The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  

> 

> I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.

> 

> On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:

> 

> > Hello fellow members,

> > 

> > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 

> > 

> > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 

> > 

> > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR

> > 

> > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.

> > 

> > kind regards,

> > 

> > Koen

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> >  



    
     

    
    






  

....or you don't want to spend the time.

--- On Sat, 5/26/12, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:37 PM
















 



  


    
      
      
      IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.




--- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:

From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
















 



    
      
      
      

--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> 

> The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  

> 

> I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.

> 

> On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:

> 

> > Hello fellow members,

> > 

> > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 

> > 

> > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 

> > 

> > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR

> > 

> > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.

> > 

> > kind regards,

> > 

> > Koen

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> >  



    
     











    
     

    
    






  

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> 
> The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  
> 

This portion of the Rico mouthpiece was so that they could totally mold all of the mouthpiece, the facing also molded, not machined separately, and not requiring hand work on the baffle.

The facing portion of the molding dies could be changed for various facings.

For other manufacturers, who used the same blank for various facings, each tip opening intersects the baffle at a different point, so that region immediately behind what is to become the tip rail must be finished separately by hand.  

It would be possible to mold a blank where no hand finishing would be required for the baffle, but only a very narrow range of tip openings could be made.

Paul Coats

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:
>
> IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> 
> From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
> Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
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> --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
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> 
> > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  
> 
> > 
> 
> > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
> 
> > 
> 
> > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Hello fellow members,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > kind regards,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > Koen
> 
> > > 
> 
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>

You could try adjusting the client.

Tony F.

 

From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of MojoBari
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 9:43 PM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

 

  

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who
chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing
on it?

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com> , MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
wrote:
>
> IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't
know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play
without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> 
> From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
> Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
> 
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> --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a
Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not
working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
> 
> > 
> 
> > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Hello fellow members,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I
allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail
and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it
the way I want. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape
do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted
rollover baffle. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc.
It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from
bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > kind regards,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > Koen
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > >
>

Try a reed with a thicker tip, such as LaVoz or regular Rico


Sent from my iPad

STEVE  GOODSON
Saxophone Guru and Visionary
New Orleans
www.nationofmusic.com



On May 28, 2012, at 6:42 AM, "MojoBari" <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:
> >
> > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  
> > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> > 
> > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
> > 
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> > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > > Hello fellow members,
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > kind regards,
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > Koen
> > 
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This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------...and check his embouchure and breath support. \\--- saxgourmet@cox.net
wrote: From: Steve Goodson  To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re:
[MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:15:40 -0500 Try
a reed with a thicker tip, such as LaVoz or regular Rico Sent from my iPad
STEVE GOODSON Saxophone Guru and Visionary New Orleans
[www.nationofmusic.com](http://www.nationofmusic.com) On May 28, 2012, at 6:42
AM, "MojoBari" <[kwbradbury@yahoo.com](mailto:kwbradbury@yahoo.com)> wrote: >
So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps
on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?
\\--- In
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com),
MartinMods  wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you
do when you don't know > how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will
always play without > chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > >
> \\--- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@...  wrote: > > From: kymarto123@...  >
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: >
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com)
> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â >
> > > > > > > > > > > \\--- Keith Bradbury  wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico
plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom
job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a > Guardala LT. Seemed to
help. The normal solutions for chirps were not > working for him and he did
not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at
3:26 PM, "Koen"  wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I
was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I > allways
get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail > and
baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it > the
way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself,
what would this shape do? > and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the
tip, a sort of inverted > rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a
picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s > the last pic
there. Or you can click on this link > [](http://goo.gl/zOnXR) > > > > > > > >
It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from > bamboo)
and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > >
> > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > * * * Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Client has COPD with 50% lung capacity.   Likes Vandoren Java reeds.


________________________________
From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle


  

...and check his embouchure and breath support.

--- saxgourmet@... wrote:

From: Steve Goodson <saxgourmet@...>
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:15:40 -0500

  
Try a reed with a thicker tip, such as LaVoz or regular Rico


Sent from my iPad 

STEVE  GOODSON
Saxophone Guru and Visionary
New Orleans
www.nationofmusic.com



On May 28, 2012, at 6:42 AM, "MojoBari" <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


  
So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:
>
> IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
> 
> 
> 
 
> --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> 
> From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
> Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
> 
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> --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
> 
> > 
> 
> > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Hello fellow members,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > kind regards,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > Koen
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Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.

see if V16 makes a difference


On May 28, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Keith Bradbury wrote:

>
> Client has COPD with 50% lung capacity.   Likes Vandoren Java reeds.
>
> From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>
>
>
> ...and check his embouchure and breath support.
>
> --- saxgourmet@... wrote:
>
> From: Steve Goodson <saxgourmet@...>
> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:15:40 -0500
>
>
> Try a reed with a thicker tip, such as LaVoz or regular Rico
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> STEVE  GOODSON
> Saxophone Guru and Visionary
> New Orleans
> www.nationofmusic.com
>
>
>
> On May 28, 2012, at 6:42 AM, "MojoBari" <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
>
> So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client  
> who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem  
> when playing on it?
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>  
> wrote:
> >
> > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you  
> don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will  
> always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
> >
> >
> >
>
> > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on  
> on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps  
> were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his  
> embouchure.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Hello fellow members,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same  
> "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get  
> the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a  
> bit more work to get it the way I want.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this  
> shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a  
> sort of inverted rollover baffle.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped  
> mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail  
> (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this  
> case a bit less.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > kind regards,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Koen
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
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> Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.
>
>
>
> 

This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------QVAR inhaler will help. \\--- kwbradbury@yahoo.com wrote: From: Keith Bradbury
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped
tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Client has COPD with
50% lung capacity. Likes Vandoren Java reeds. **From:**
"gregwier@netscape.com"  **To:** MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com **Sent:**
Monday, May 28, 2012 10:45 AM **Subject:** Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip
baffle ...and check his embouchure and breath support. \\---
saxgourmet@cox.net wrote: From: Steve Goodson  To:
"MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip
baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:15:40 -0500 Try a reed with a thicker tip,
such as LaVoz or regular Rico Sent from my iPad STEVE GOODSON Saxophone Guru
and Visionary New Orleans
[www.nationofmusic.com](http://www.nationofmusic.com/) On May 28, 2012, at
6:42 AM, "MojoBari" <[kwbradbury@yahoo.com](mailto:kwbradbury@yahoo.com)>
wrote: > So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client
who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing
on it? \\--- In
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com),
MartinMods  wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you
do when you don't know > how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will
always play without > chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > >
> \\--- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@...  wrote: > > From: kymarto123@...  >
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: >
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com)
> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â >
> > > > > > > > > > > \\--- Keith Bradbury  wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico
plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom
job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a > Guardala LT. Seemed to
help. The normal solutions for chirps were not > working for him and he did
not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at
3:26 PM, "Koen"  wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I
was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I > allways
get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail > and
baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it > the
way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself,
what would this shape do? > and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the
tip, a sort of inverted > rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a
picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s > the last pic
there. Or you can click on this link  > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the
Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from > bamboo) and then it drops down
half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > >
> > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Netscape. Just the Net You Need. * * * Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------QVAR inhaler will help. \\--- kwbradbury@yahoo.com wrote: From: Keith Bradbury
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped
tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Client has COPD with
50% lung capacity. Likes Vandoren Java reeds. **From:**
"gregwier@netscape.com"  **To:** MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com **Sent:**
Monday, May 28, 2012 10:45 AM **Subject:** Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip
baffle ...and check his embouchure and breath support. \\---
saxgourmet@cox.net wrote: From: Steve Goodson  To:
"MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip
baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:15:40 -0500 Try a reed with a thicker tip,
such as LaVoz or regular Rico Sent from my iPad STEVE GOODSON Saxophone Guru
and Visionary New Orleans
[www.nationofmusic.com](http://www.nationofmusic.com/) On May 28, 2012, at
6:42 AM, "MojoBari" <[kwbradbury@yahoo.com](mailto:kwbradbury@yahoo.com)>
wrote: > So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client
who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing
on it? \\--- In
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com),
MartinMods  wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you
do when you don't know > how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will
always play without > chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > >
> \\--- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@...  wrote: > > From: kymarto123@...  >
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: >
[[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com)
> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â >
> > > > > > > > > > > \\--- Keith Bradbury  wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico
plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom
job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a > Guardala LT. Seemed to
help. The normal solutions for chirps were not > working for him and he did
not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at
3:26 PM, "Koen"  wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I
was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I > allways
get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail > and
baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it > the
way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself,
what would this shape do? > and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the
tip, a sort of inverted > rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a
picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s > the last pic
there. Or you can click on this link  > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the
Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from > bamboo) and then it drops down
half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > >
> > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Netscape. Just the Net You Need. * * * Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM








 



  


    
      
      
      So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?



--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:

>

> IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:

> 

> From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>

> Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM

> 

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> --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> 

> > 

> 

> > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  

> 

> > 

> 

> > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.

> 

> > 

> 

> > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:

> 

> > 

> 

> > > Hello fellow members,

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > kind regards,

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Koen

> 

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He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  
In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


>From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
>Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM
>
>
>  
>So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?
>
>--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:
>>
>> IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:
>> 
>> From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
>> Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
>> 
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>> 
>> --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> 
>> > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. 
>> 
>> > 
>> 
>> > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
>> 
>> > 
>> 
>> > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> 
>> > > Hello fellow members,
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > kind regards,
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > Koen
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > > 
>> 
>> > >
>>
>
> 

He should try a Metalite to see if that design solves his "chirp" problem, then, (I'm not that familiar with the market value of that Guardala model) you could convert the Guardala or an inexpensive Asian metal blank to a scooped tip baffle piece I suppose, or make one from solid brass rod.  



--- On Mon, 5/28/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 9:28 PM








 



  


    
      
      
      He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.





From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
 

  





In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM



  

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:
>
> IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> 
> From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>
> Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
> 
> 
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> 
> --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
> 
> > 
> 
> > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Hello fellow members,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more
 than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > kind regards,
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > Koen
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > 
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This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening
with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a
respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. \\---
kwbradbury@yahoo.com wrote: From: Keith Bradbury  To:
"MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped
tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT) He wants a slimmer size
and likes the feel of metal. **From:** MartinMods  **To:**
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com **Sent:** Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
**Subject:** Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle In view of his
condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. \\---
On **Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari _< kwbradbury@yahoo.com>_** wrote: > > From:
MojoBari  > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To:
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM > > So
how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who > chirps
on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing > on it? >
> \\--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods  wrote: > > > > IMO, the
"scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't > know how to
make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play > without chirping,
but not exceptionally well by any means. > > > > > > > > > > \\--- On Sat,
5/26/12, kymarto123@...  wrote: > > > > From: kymarto123@...  > > Subject:
Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > > To:
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\--- Keith Bradbury  wrote: > > > > > > >
> > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > >
> > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on
on a > Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not >
working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > >
> > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen"  wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >
Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model
when I came across the same "problem" I > allways get, when I'm modelling the
chamber I cant get the right tip rail > and baffle. It's not really a problem
more than a bit more work to get it > the way I want. > > > > > > > > > > > >
But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape > do? and
this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted >
rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the
Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. > It`s the last pic there. Or you can
click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR > > > > > > > > > > > > It reminded me
of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from > bamboo) and then it
drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > > > >
> kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \--- * * * Netscape.
Just the Net You Need.

If one person squeaks with a mouthpiece/reed combination and another person doesn't squeak on the same mouthpiece/reed combination, I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe the problem isn't the mouthpiece and the reed.


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "MojoBari" <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?
> 
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@> wrote:
> >
> > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@ <kymarto123@> wrote:
> > 
> > From: kymarto123@ <kymarto123@>
> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> >     
> >       
> >       
> >       
> > 
> > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent.  
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.  Seemed to help.  The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > > Hello fellow members,
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. 
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. 
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > kind regards,
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > Koen
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > 
> > 
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> > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > >
> >
>

It may be a bit more nuanced--having to do with the way different embouchures damp a reed. And of course some players feel the limits and unconsciously adjust so as not to exceed them.

--- Morgan <frymorgan@...> wrote:
> If one person squeaks with a mouthpiece/reed combination and another person doesn't squeak on the same mouthpiece/reed combination, I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe the problem isn't the mouthpiece and the 

 
This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3

From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  
Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. --- kwbradbury@... wrote:From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffleDate: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)  
He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  
In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


>From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
>Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM
>
>
>  
>So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it?--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:>> IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means.> > > > > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote:> > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...>> Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:> > > > > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The
 normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure.> > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote:> > > > > > > Hello fellow members,> > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR> > > > > > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.> > > > >
 > > > kind regards,> > > > > > > > Koen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>   Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.

This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Glad it worked. A pint of Guiness stout is an acceptable form of appreciation.
\\--- kwbradbury@yahoo.com wrote: From: Keith Bradbury  To:
"MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com"  Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped
tip baffle Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) This was the solution!
I did this work last year for the client. Closed the King down to .105, radial
facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail. He was very pleased.
[https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type;=3](https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type;=3)
**From:** "gregwier@netscape.com"  **To:** MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
**Sent:** Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM **Subject:** Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork]
scooped tip baffle Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable
reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the
assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go.
--- kwbradbury@yahoo.com wrote:From: Keith Bradbury To:
"MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip
baffleDate: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT) He wants a slimmer size and
likes the feel of metal. **From:** MartinMods  **To:**
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com **Sent:** Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
**Subject:** Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle In view of his
condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. \\---
On **Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari _< kwbradbury@yahoo.com>_** wrote: > > From:
MojoBari  > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To:
MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM > > So
how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who > chirps
on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing > on
it?--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods  > wrote:>> IMO, the
"scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you > don't know how to
make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play > without chirping,
but not exceptionally well by any means.> > > > > \\--- On > Sat, 5/26/12,
kymarto123@...  wrote:> > From: kymarto123@... > > Subject: Re:Re:
[MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle> To: > MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â >
> > > > > > > > > > > \\--- Keith Bradbury >  wrote:> > > > > > The modern
Rico plastic mouthpieces have > this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a
custom job like this for a > client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT.
Seemed to help. The normal > solutions for chirps were not working for him and
he did not want to change > reeds or his embouchure.> > > > > > On May 25,
2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" >  wrote:> > > > > > > Hello fellow members,> > > > >
> > > I > was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I
allways > get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail
and > baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it
the > way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to
myself, > what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle
near the > tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added
a > picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic >
there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR> > > > > > > > It >
reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and >
then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less.> > > > > > > >
> kind regards,> > > > > > > > Koen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> \--- Netscape. Just the Net You Need. * * * Netscape. Just the
Net You Need.

Nice.  Looks rather "scooped tipped" :-)

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 2:58 PM








 



  


    
      
      
       


This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3





From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
 

  


 Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. --- kwbradbury@... wrote: From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)  





He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.





From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle


  





In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM



  

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it? --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote: > > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get
 the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 

   
Netscape.  Just the Net You Need. 

    
     

    
    






  

I like Guiness too.

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...m> wrote:

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 6:19 PM








 



  


    
      
      
      Nice.  Looks rather "scooped tipped" :-)

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 2:58 PM








 



    
      
      
       


This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3





From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
 

  


 Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. --- kwbradbury@... wrote: From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)  





He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.





From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle


  





In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM



  

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it? --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote: > > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get
 the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 

   
Netscape.  Just the Net You Need. 

    
     








    
     

    
    






  

Hi Keith,
What was the response like after this work?
cheers
Ross

Do you have an audio file on that piece?

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...m>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 2:58 PM








 



  


    
      
      
       


This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3





From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
 

  


 Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. --- kwbradbury@... wrote: From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)  





He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.





From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@yahoo.com>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle


  





In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM



  

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it? --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote: > > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get
 the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 

   
Netscape.  Just the Net You Need. 

    
     

    
    






  

I really did not notice a major change in response.  The rest of the baffle is still very high.  It did darken the palm keys.  I closed it down from .122" to .105" and took resistance out of the facing curve shape so they were big changes too.

You can probably test the effect better by getting a Metalite and adding some temporary putty to it to bring the baffle up to the tip rail.

From: Ross & Helen McIntyre <mk6sax@....au>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle


  
Hi Keith,
What was the response like after this work?
cheers
Ross

I probably do.  But you do not like my playing.

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  
Do you have an audio file on that piece?

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


>From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
>Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 2:58 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
>
>https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3
>From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM
>Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>
>  
>Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. --- kwbradbury@... wrote: From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)  
>He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.
>From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
>Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>
>  
>In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 
>
>--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
>
>>From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM
>>
>>
>>  
>>So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it? --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote: > > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to
 help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit
 less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Netscape.  Just the Net You Need. 

I recall saying that "throat" playing isn't tolerated in professional circles.   It isn't considered "correct" playing technique and will not get you a performance degree from any institution of higher learning.  I am certain I did not mention any names.  If you are a throat player, well, you are certainly welcome to your own opinion on the matter.

Regardless, a trained ear can tell the difference between the characteristics of the player and those of the mouthpiece, to a substantial degree.  I liked the fat sound of slightly excavated (narrow groove behind tip) pieces that Gary Campbell students were using some years ago, though they did lack some brilliance in the tone - a trade-off I guess.  Just curious.



--- On Wed, 5/30/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 6:56 PM
















 



  


    
      
      
      I probably do.  But you do not like my playing.





From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
 

  





Do you have an audio file on that piece?

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 2:58 PM



  


 


This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3
 



From: "gregwier@..." <gregwier@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle


  


Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. --- kwbradbury@... wrote: From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)  





He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.
 



From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle


  





In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM



  

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it? --- In MouthpieceWork@...m, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote: > > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Bradbury
 <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort
 of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

  
Netscape.  Just the Net You Need. 

    
     

    
    






  

OK so what do you consider "throat playing"
Also please excuse my ignorance.
I am assuming that you mean as against "diaphragm playing"
cheers
Ross McIntyre

This reminds me of my refaced lebayle. The music I use it in requires me to play a lot of high notes, and they were allways thin from G or A up.. and i`m not a biter, well sometimes but I know how to play properly.

The solution was to scoop uit a bit just after the tiprail, not as drasticly as Keith, it’s more a piece of straight baffle in comparance to a slight rollover it was before. I made some Pic’s I think you can see it well.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/19536871/1/LEbayle?h=d2c737

 

 

Van: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com] Namens MartinMods
Verzonden: donderdag 31 mei 2012 0:17
Aan: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

 

  


I recall saying that "throat" playing isn't tolerated in professional circles.   It isn't considered "correct" playing technique and will not get you a performance degree from any institution of higher learning.  I am certain I did not mention any names.  If you are a throat player, well, you are certainly welcome to your own opinion on the matter.

Regardless, a trained ear can tell the difference between the characteristics of the player and those of the mouthpiece, to a substantial degree.  I liked the fat sound of slightly excavated (narrow groove behind tip) pieces that Gary Campbell students were using some years ago, though they did lack some brilliance in the tone - a trade-off I guess.  Just curious.



--- On Wed, 5/30/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 6:56 PM

  

I probably do.  But you do not like my playing.

 

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  


Do you have an audio file on that piece?

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 2:58 PM

  

 

This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.

 

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153 <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3> &type=3

From: "gregwier@netscape.com" <gregwier@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  

Perhaps closing down the mouthpiece to a more manageable reduced tip opening with a free blowing radial curve along with seeking the assistance of a respiratory specialist if he hasn't seen one is the way to go. --- kwbradbury@... wrote: From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...m> To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)  

He wants a slimmer size and likes the feel of metal.

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  


In view of his condition, I'd suggest he sell the Guardala and and go with a Metalite. 

--- On Mon, 5/28/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM

  

So how would you approach adjusting a Guardala LT King for a client who chirps on it, even though you could not reproduce the problem when playing on it? --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote: > > IMO, the "scooped" baffle behind the reed is what you do when you don't know how to make a baffle/tip rail so they work - it will always play without chirping, but not exceptionally well by any means. > > > > > --- On Sat, 5/26/12, kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> wrote: > > From: kymarto123@... <kymarto123@...> > Subject: Re:Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â  > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > > > > > The modern Rico plastic mouthpieces have this design to an extent. > > > > > > I did a custom job like this for a client who was squeaking on on a Guardala LT. Seemed to help. The normal solutions for chirps were not working for him and he did not want to change reeds or his embouchure. > > > > > > On May 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Koen" <koenbidlot@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow members, > > > > > > > > I was redesigning my 3d model when I came across the same "problem" I allways get, when I'm modelling the chamber I cant get the right tip rail and baffle. It's not really a problem more than a bit more work to get it the way I want. > > > > > > > > But when I was doing this I thought to myself, what would this shape do? and this shape meaning a scooped baffle near the tip, a sort of inverted rollover baffle. > > > > > > > > I've added a picture in the Photos/alto section named Scooped mpc. It`s the last pic there. Or you can click on this link http://goo.gl/zOnXR > > > > > > > > It reminded me of the Xaphoon's mpc, that one has a tip rail (from bamboo) and then it drops down half an inch.. only in this case a bit less. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Koen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

  

Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.

I uploaded the my play test of the Guardala King I modified last year to have a raised tip rail.  I used a Forestone 3 reed on it because it has a thin tip and they run soft.  It was the closest reed I had to the Java 2 he likes.

The altissimo response was bad.  I usually can get an octave out of any mouthpiece.  But I took this as a plus since chirps and squeaks are unwanted altissimo.  The client does not play altissimo so it was a good trade off for him.

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
>  
> This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3

Constricting the throat and moving the tongue (off reed) and the jaw to control the air pressure and pitch particularly on the ends of notes, instead of maintaining a steady, controlled embouchure and using diaphragm air support.

--- On Thu, 5/31/12, Ross & Helen McIntyre <mk6sax@...> wrote:

From: Ross & Helen McIntyre <mk6sax@...>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 7:45 AM








 



  


    
      
      
      OK so what do you consider "throat playing"

Also please excuse my ignorance.

I am assuming that you mean as against "diaphragm playing"

cheers

Ross McIntyre



    
     

    
    






  

Sounds very useable and "safe".  That's some very nice handwork there.


--- On Thu, 5/31/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 6:07 PM
















 



  


    
      
      
      I uploaded the my play test of the Guardala King I modified last year to have a raised tip rail.  I used a Forestone 3 reed on it because it has a thin tip and they run soft.  It was the closest reed I had to the Java 2 he likes.



The altissimo response was bad.  I usually can get an octave out of any mouthpiece.  But I took this as a plus since chirps and squeaks are unwanted altissimo.  The client does not play altissimo so it was a good trade off for him.



--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

>

>  

> This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.

> 

> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3





    
     

    
    






  

Thank you.  I hope not to make another one...

From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle

  
Sounds very useable and "safe".  That's some very nice handwork there.


--- On Thu, 5/31/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:


>From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
>Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 6:07 PM
>
>
>  
>I uploaded the my play test of the Guardala King I modified last year to have a raised tip rail. I used a Forestone 3 reed on it because it has a thin tip and they run soft. It was the closest reed I had to the Java 2 he likes.
>
>The altissimo response was bad. I usually can get an octave out of any mouthpiece. But I took this as a plus since chirps and squeaks are unwanted altissimo. The client does not play altissimo so it was a good trade off for him.
>
>--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>>
>>  
>> This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3
>
> 

See interesting baffle: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAWTON-7-STAR-RBB-Tenor-Sax-Mouthpiece-Extremely-rare-/180905383101?pt=AU_Instrument_Accessories&hash=item2a1ecd14bd#ht_555wt_1156

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you.  I hope not to make another one...
> 
> From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> 
>   
> Sounds very useable and "safe".  That's some very nice handwork there.
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 5/31/12, MojoBari <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> >From: MojoBari <kwbradbury@...>
> >Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] scooped tip baffle
> >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 6:07 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >I uploaded the my play test of the Guardala King I modified last year to have a raised tip rail. I used a Forestone 3 reed on it because it has a thin tip and they run soft. It was the closest reed I had to the Java 2 he likes.
> >
> >The altissimo response was bad. I usually can get an octave out of any mouthpiece. But I took this as a plus since chirps and squeaks are unwanted altissimo. The client does not play altissimo so it was a good trade off for him.
> >
> >--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@> wrote:
> >>
> >>  
> >> This was the solution!  I did this work last year for the client.  Closed the King down to .105, radial facing, 50L and lowered the baffle to raise the tip rail.  He was very pleased.
> >> 
> >> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150328745106154.389294.342774316153&type=3
> >
> >
>