Mouthpiece Work / Tip repair
FROM: pfdeley (Peter Deley)
SUBJECT: Tip repair
Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there. Thank you Peter
FROM: lancelotburt (MartinMods)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible).
--- On Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> wrote:
From: Peter Deley <pfdeley@...>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM
Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there. Thank you Peter
FROM: pfdeley (Peter Deley)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
Thanks. I thought of that but I am not sure there is enough thickness. The break is nice and irregular so I think there will be plenty of surface area and good grab between the two pieces. Peter
--- On Mon, 12/12/11, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote:
From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 5:13 PM
Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible).
--- On Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> wrote:
From: Peter Deley <pfdeley@...>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM
Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there. Thank you Peter
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
Really? Have you actually done this? ________________________________ From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible). --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> wrote: >From: Peter Deley <pfdeley@yahoo.com> >Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM > > > > Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. > I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there. > Thank you > Peter
FROM: lancelotburt (MartinMods)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
Sure. Quite a few times, whether reattaching the broken piece or reforming a new piece completely. I last did it on an $800 vintage Meyer bari mouthpiece that had the corner of the tip knocked off. The careless owner was thrilled and is still happily playing on it one year later. I'm surprised anyone would consider doing it any other way, actually, once you consider the added mechanical strength it provides. How do you do it?
--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:58 AM
Really? Have you actually done this?
From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible).
--- On Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> wrote:
From: Peter Deley <pfdeley@yahoo.com>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM
Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece.
I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there.
Thank you
Peter
FROM: frymorgan (Morgan)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
I do it this way, too. Not 100% sure it's necessary, but it can't hurt and only takes like 5 minutes. --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> wrote: > > Sure. Quite a few times, whether reattaching the broken piece or reforming a new piece completely. I last did it on an $800 vintage Meyer bari mouthpiece that had the corner of the tip knocked off. The careless owner was thrilled and is still happily playing on it one year later. I'm surprised anyone would consider doing it any other way, actually, once you consider the added mechanical strength it provides. How do you do it? > > --- On Tue, 12/13/11, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:58 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Really? Have you actually done this? > > > > > From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > > >  > > > > > > Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible). > > --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> wrote: > > > From: Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM > > > >  > > > > > >   Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. >   I am asking  for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good  repair but the  smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there. >  Thank you >  Peter >
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
All the tips I have reattached just seemed too small to me to consider drilling holes in them. But I think the real reason I have not tried it is that it is an unnecessary step. If I had a history of tip repairs falling off I would look into drilling, pins, whatever, but that is not the case. For tight fitting breaks I use a gel CY glue. But most of the time I use JB Weld since it fills gaps better. If the tip is missing, I just rebuild the missing area with JB Weld, no hole drilling. [I do plan to warn clients about potential BPA heath hazards.] ________________________________ From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair Sure. Quite a few times, whether reattaching the broken piece or reforming a new piece completely. I last did it on an $800 vintage Meyer bari mouthpiece that had the corner of the tip knocked off. The careless owner was thrilled and is still happily playing on it one year later. I'm surprised anyone would consider doing it any other way, actually, once you consider the added mechanical strength it provides. How do you do it? --- On Tue, 12/13/11, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: >From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> >Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair >To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> >Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:58 AM > > > >Really? Have you actually done this? > >________________________________ >From: MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:13 PM >Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > > >Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible). > >--- On Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> wrote: > > >>From: Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> >>Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair >>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM >> >> >> >> Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. >> I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there. >> Thank you >> Peter
FROM: mavoss97 (Matthew Voss)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
+1 to this. I also agree with Keith that the holes are unnecessary and likely offer little additional strength. Particularly in something the size of the tip of an alto mouthpiece. A warning about BPA would be responsible. Although it seems people have no problem consuming factory produced meats and milk, HFCS, soy, etc. habitually. Phil Barone used to drill small holes through the top of the mouthpiece when replacing a biteplate and adding a baffle insert to metal Links. They were essentially anchored to each other and I've seen a few in quite good condition 25+ years later. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>wrote: > ** > > > All the tips I have reattached just seemed too small to me to consider > drilling holes in them. But I think the real reason I have not tried it is > that it is an unnecessary step. If I had a history of tip repairs > falling off I would look into drilling, pins, whatever, but that is not > the case. > > For tight fitting breaks I use a gel CY glue. But most of the time I use > JB Weld since it fills gaps better. If the tip is missing, I just > rebuild the missing area with JB Weld, no hole drilling. [I do plan to > warn clients about potential BPA heath hazards.] > > *From:* MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> > *To:* MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2011 11:21 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > ** > > Sure. Quite a few times, whether reattaching the broken piece or > reforming a new piece completely. I last did it on an $800 vintage Meyer > bari mouthpiece that had the corner of the tip knocked off. The careless > owner was thrilled and is still happily playing on it one year later. I'm > surprised anyone would consider doing it any other way, actually, once you > consider the added mechanical strength it provides. How do you do it? > > --- On *Tue, 12/13/11, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@yahoo.com>* wrote: > > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > To: "MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com" <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:58 AM > > > Really? Have you actually done this? > ** > *From:* MartinMods <lancelotburt@...> > *To:* MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2011 8:13 PM > *Subject:* Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > > Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the > mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible). > > --- On *Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley <pfdeley@...>* wrote: > > > From: Peter Deley <pfdeley@...> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > To: MouthpieceWork@...m > Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM > > > Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip > broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. > I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial > to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for > weeks afterwards. What else is there. > Thank you > Peter > > **** > > > -- Matt www.matthewvossjazz.com
FROM: gregwier (gregwier@...)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------The drilling holes routine for improving strength and integrity only makes sense to me if you are going to reinforce the holes with a wire dowel just as a carpenter would for joining 2 pieces of wood. This whole idea with both the drilling and the dowel is in the realm of microsurgery and would be difficult to perform. \\--- matthewvossjazz@gmail.com wrote: From: Matthew Voss To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:47:26 -0500 +1 to this. I also agree with Keith that the holes are unnecessary and likely offer little additional strength. Particularly in something the size of the tip of an alto mouthpiece. A warning about BPA would be responsible. Although it seems people have no problem consuming factory produced meats and milk, HFCS, soy, etc. habitually. Phil Barone used to drill small holes through the top of the mouthpiece when replacing a biteplate and adding a baffle insert to metal Links. They were essentially anchored to each other and I've seen a few in quite good condition 25+ years later. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Keith Bradbury <[kwbradbury@yahoo.com](mailto:kwbradbury@yahoo.com)> wrote: > __ > > All the tips I have reattached just seemed too small to me to consider drilling holes in them. But I think the real reason I have not tried it is that it is an unnecessary step. If I had a history of tip repairs falling off I would look into drilling, pins, whatever, but that is not the case. For tight fitting breaks I use a gel CY glue. But most of the time I use JB Weld since it fills gaps better. If the tip is missing, I just rebuild the missing area with JB Weld, no hole drilling. [I do plan to warn clients about potential BPA heath hazards.] **From:** MartinMods <[lancelotburt@yahoo.com](mailto:lancelotburt@yahoo.com)> **To:** [MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com) **Sent:** Monday, December 12, 2011 11:21 PM **Subject:** Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair __ Sure. Quite a few times, whether reattaching the broken piece or reforming a new piece completely. I last did it on an $800 vintage Meyer bari mouthpiece that had the corner of the tip knocked off. The careless owner was thrilled and is still happily playing on it one year later. I'm surprised anyone would consider doing it any other way, actually, once you consider the added mechanical strength it provides. How do you do it? \\--- On **Tue, 12/13/11, Keith Bradbury _<[kwbradbury@yahoo.com](mailto:kwbradbury@yahoo.com)>_** wrote: > > From: Keith Bradbury <[kwbradbury@yahoo.com](mailto:kwbradbury@yahoo.com)> > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > To: > "[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)" > <[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)> > Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:58 AM > > Really? Have you actually done this? __ **From:** MartinMods > <[lancelotburt@yahoo.com](mailto:lancelotburt@yahoo.com)> > **To:** > [MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com) > **Sent:** Monday, December 12, 2011 8:13 PM > **Subject:** Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > | Whatever adhesive you use, I'd drill small anchor holes in the mouthpiece and the tip piece (if possible). > > \\--- On **Mon, 12/12/11, Peter Deley > _<[pfdeley@yahoo.com](mailto:pfdeley@yahoo.com)>_** wrote: > > >> > From: Peter Deley <[pfdeley@yahoo.com](mailto:pfdeley@yahoo.com)> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > To: [MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:53 PM > > | Someone just brought me a great Gregory alto piece with the tip broken off. It looks like a nice clean break and I have the missing piece. I am asking for recommendations for the adhesive to use. I am partial to Pliobond . It makes a very good repair but the smell lingers on for weeks afterwards. What else is there. Thank you Peter >> --- ____ \\-- Matt [www.matthewvossjazz.com](http://www.matthewvossjazz.com/) * * * Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
FROM: moeaaron (Barry Levine)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
Dentists sometimes do this as a restorative technique. (Was that already mentioned?) But the question is, has anyone had a tip repair fail that didn't have such strengthening? Barry Levine > From: Matthew Voss <matthewvossjazz@...> > Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:47:26 -0500 > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair > > +1 to this. I also agree with Keith that the holes are unnecessary and likely > offer little additional strength. Particularly in something the size of the > tip of an alto mouthpiece. >
FROM: pfdeley (Peter Deley)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
Thanks for all the tips. I think I'll go the simple route without the drilling. GW's comment that it seemed too much like microsurgery struck a chord.. I have repaired a clarinet tenon by drilling holes through the broken off piece and inserting pins, but a mouthpiece is not going to experience the stress that a tenon joint goes through every time the instrument is assembled. It seems to me that if a repaired mouthpiece were dropped or banged against something it could just as likely break it a new place rather than at the repair line. In any case I admire the skill of someone who could do a repair by drilling holes in each piece. Peter
FROM: lancelotburt (MartinMods)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
I'm quite happy with that microsurgery technique and since I'm already dealing with making .0015" adjustments to the mouthpiece as routine, I see little extra challenge in making .01" diameter holes in any broken piece.
--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Barry Levine <barrylevine@...> wrote:
From: Barry Levine <barrylevine@...>
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:49 PM
Dentists sometimes do this as a restorative technique. (Was that already mentioned?)
But the question is, has anyone had a tip repair fail that didn't have such strengthening?
Barry Levine
From: Matthew Voss <matthewvossjazz@...>
Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:47:26 -0500
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Tip repair
+1 to this. I also agree with Keith that the holes are unnecessary and likely offer little additional strength. Particularly in something the size of the tip of an alto mouthpiece.
FROM: frymorgan (Morgan)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
may seem like microsurgery at first blush but it's really not particularly difficult or time consuming compared to some of the other things we do.
FROM: tenorman1952 (tenorman1952)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Morgan" <frymorgan@...> wrote: > > may seem like microsurgery at first blush but it's really not particularly difficult or time consuming compared to some of the other things we do. > I've recently begun using a CA glue specifically formulated for plastics such as Delrin (Acetal) and other engineering plastics. You may want to try this. http://www.micromark.com/poly-zap-1and2-oz,7575.html Paul C.
FROM: frymorgan (Morgan)
SUBJECT: Re: Tip repair
Thanks, Paul, I'll check some of that out. --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "tenorman1952" <tenorman1952@...> wrote: > > > > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Morgan" <frymorgan@> wrote: > > > > may seem like microsurgery at first blush but it's really not particularly difficult or time consuming compared to some of the other things we do. > > > > I've recently begun using a CA glue specifically formulated for plastics such as Delrin (Acetal) and other engineering plastics. You may want to try this. > > http://www.micromark.com/poly-zap-1and2-oz,7575.html > > Paul C. >