Hi all,
For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?

Best
David

I think long facings with elliptical curves can do this, to a point.
 

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From: david tan <dtkky@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@...m
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Facing for variable resistance


  
Hi all,
For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?

Best
David

This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Keith,  
  
Do you find this (long facing + ellipse = easy low end, more resistant high)
to be equally true on all the horns, or is the effect more pronounced on some
(sop- alto-tnr-bari)?  
  
Dan  
  
On 8/28/2011 9:23 AM, Keith Bradbury wrote:

> I think long facings with elliptical curves can do this, to a point.
>
> Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
>
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>
>
> **From:** david tan [](mailto:dtkky@...)  
>  **To:**
> [MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)  
>  **Sent:** Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:09 AM  
>  **Subject:** [MouthpieceWork] Facing for variable resistance  
>  
>
>
> Hi all,  
>  For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher
> resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would
> facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?  
>  
>  Best  
>  David  
>  
>
>
>  
>  
>

Thanks for the reply, Keith.
I was thinking along the same line. Like Dan, I would be curious if this is consistent thru SATB.  What sort of AB elliptical ratios would be ideal? And could you elaborate the part on "to a point" ?

david

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> I think long facings with elliptical curves can do this, to a point.
>  
> 
> Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
> 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361 
> Paypal to sabradbury79@... 
> Check out: http://www.MojoMouthpieceWork.com
> 
> From: david tan <dtkky@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:09 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Facing for variable resistance
> 
> 
>   
> Hi all,
> For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?
> 
> Best
> David
>

As for "to a point" it depends on what your goals on as to whether a facing curve is going to do it for you or not.  Like everything else pertaining to a mouthpiece design there is only so much you can do and the rest is up to the player.  If a player wants a brighter mouthpiece, and you keep raising the baffle, soon it will not play at all.  Same thing with tip openings.  If someone wants a large tip opening there is always a point where they should stop going larger.
 
I find the size of sax and what is expected to be played on each sax does influence my choice of facing curves.  Tip openings do too.  I tend to use more resistant curves with smaller tip openings.  Smaller saxes do better with more resistant curves than larger saxes IMO.
 
A good baseline is a 3-4 aspect ratio ellipse for alto and tenor mouthpieces.  For tenors, I had been using 50-52 lengths, but lately I am doing more 48-50s.  
 
I have a lot of variation in the facing curve targets I use.  It is more important to construct a precise curve IMO than target for a specific curve.

From: david tan <dtkky@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:07 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Facing for variable resistance


  
Thanks for the reply, Keith.
I was thinking along the same line. Like Dan, I would be curious if this is consistent thru SATB. What sort of AB elliptical ratios would be ideal? And could you elaborate the part on "to a point" ?

david

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> I think long facings with elliptical curves can do this, to a point.
>  
> 
> Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
> 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361 
> Paypal to sabradbury79@... 
> Check out: http://www.MojoMouthpieceWork.com
> 
> From: david tan <dtkky@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:09 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Facing for variable resistance
> 
> 
>   
> Hi all,
> For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?
> 
> Best
> David
>

This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Thanks, Keith. I had done several elliptical curves on alto and tenor pieces
and found that I liked them very much on alto (even w/ higher aspect ratios)
but much less on tenor. And, yes, assessing the differences is meaningless
unless the curves are executed with great accuracy.  
  
DT  
  
On 8/28/2011 12:29 PM, Keith Bradbury wrote:

> As for "to a point" it depends on what your goals on as to whether a facing
> curve is going to do it for you or not. Like everything else pertaining to a
> mouthpiece design there is only so much you can do and the rest is up to the
> player. If a player wants a brighter mouthpiece, and you keep raising the
> baffle, soon it will not play at all. Same thing with tip openings. If
> someone wants a large tip opening there is always a point where they should
> stop going larger.
>
> I find the size of sax and what is expected to be played on each sax does
> influence my choice of facing curves. Tip openings do too. I tend to use
> more resistant curves with smaller tip openings. Smaller saxes do better
> with more resistant curves than larger saxes IMO.
>
> A good baseline is a 3-4 aspect ratio ellipse for alto and tenor
> mouthpieces. For tenors, I had been using 50-52 lengths, but lately I am
> doing more 48-50s.
>
> I have a lot of variation in the facing curve targets I use. It is more
> important to construct a precise curve IMO than target for a specific curve.
>
>  
>
>
> **From:** david tan [](mailto:dtkky@...)  
>  **To:**
> [MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com)  
>  **Sent:** Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:07 PM  
>  **Subject:** [MouthpieceWork] Re: Facing for variable resistance  
>  
>
>
> Thanks for the reply, Keith.  
>  I was thinking along the same line. Like Dan, I would be curious if this is
> consistent thru SATB. What sort of AB elliptical ratios would be ideal? And
> could you elaborate the part on "to a point" ?  
>  
>  david  
>  
>  \\--- In
> [MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com),
> Keith Bradbury [](mailto:kwbradbury@...) wrote:  
>  >  
>  > I think long facings with elliptical curves can do this, to a point.  
>  > Â  
>  >  
>  > Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC  
>  > 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361  
>  > Paypal to sabradbury79@...  
>  > Check out:Â
> [http://www.MojoMouthpieceWork.com](http://www.mojomouthpiecework.com/)  
>  >  
>  > From: david tan [](mailto:dtkky@...)  
>  > To:
> [MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com)  
>  > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:09 AM  
>  > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Facing for variable resistance  
>  >  
>  >  
>  > Â  
>  > Hi all,  
>  > For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher
> resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would
> facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?  
>  >  
>  > Best  
>  > David  
>  >  
>  
>
>
>  
>  
>

Hi Keith,
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. What about bari ? I find that upper registers are more stable if there is some resistance to push against but of course, we also want the low to respond easily.
I do agree that getting a smooth curve is more important.

David

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> As for "to a point" it depends on what your goals on as to whether a facing curve is going to do it for you or not.  Like everything else pertaining to a mouthpiece design there is only so much you can do and the rest is up to the player.  If a player wants a brighter mouthpiece, and you keep raising the baffle, soon it will not play at all.  Same thing with tip openings.  If someone wants a large tip opening there is always a point where they should stop going larger.
>  
> I find the size of sax and what is expected to be played on each sax does influence my choice of facing curves.  Tip openings do too.  I tend to use more resistant curves with smaller tip openings.  Smaller saxes do better with more resistant curves than larger saxes IMO.
>  
> A good baseline is a 3-4 aspect ratio ellipse for alto and tenor mouthpieces.  For tenors, I had been using 50-52 lengths, but lately I am doing more 48-50s.  
>  
> I have a lot of variation in the facing curve targets I use.  It is more important to construct a precise curve IMO than target for a specific curve.
> 
> From: david tan <dtkky@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:07 PM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Facing for variable resistance
> 
> 
>   
> Thanks for the reply, Keith.
> I was thinking along the same line. Like Dan, I would be curious if this is consistent thru SATB. What sort of AB elliptical ratios would be ideal? And could you elaborate the part on "to a point" ?
> 
> david
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@> wrote:
> >
> > I think long facings with elliptical curves can do this, to a point.
> >  
> > 
> > Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
> > 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361 
> > Paypal to sabradbury79@ 
> > Check out: http://www.MojoMouthpieceWork.com
> > 
> > From: david tan <dtkky@>
> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:09 AM
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Facing for variable resistance
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Hi all,
> > For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?
> > 
> > Best
> > David
> >
>

On bari I personally get along fine with a radial curve (close to a stock Runyon).  I just use a slightly stiffer (Fibracell) reed when I want more resistance on the palm keys.  The lower end is still easy to get but takes a little more work.  Maybe I would like some ellipse but I really "know" this MP as it is.

From: david tan <dtkky@singnet.com.sg>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 1:49 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Facing for variable resistance


  
Hi Keith,
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. What about bari ? I find that upper registers are more stable if there is some resistance to push against but of course, we also want the low to respond easily.
I do agree that getting a smooth curve is more important.

David

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> As for "to a point" it depends on what your goals on as to whether a facing curve is going to do it for you or not.  Like everything else pertaining to a mouthpiece design there is only so much you can do and the rest is up to the player.  If a player wants a brighter mouthpiece, and you keep raising the baffle, soon it will not play at all.  Same thing with tip openings.  If someone wants a large tip opening there is always a point where they should stop going larger.
>  
> I find the size of sax and what is expected to be played on each sax does influence my choice of facing curves.  Tip openings do too.  I tend to use more resistant curves with smaller tip openings.  Smaller saxes do better with more resistant curves than larger saxes IMO.
>  
> A good baseline is a 3-4 aspect ratio ellipse for alto and tenor mouthpieces.  For tenors, I had been using 50-52 lengths, but lately I am doing more 48-50s.  
>  
> I have a lot of variation in the facing curve targets I use.  It is more important to construct a precise curve IMO than target for a specific curve.
> 
> From: david tan <dtkky@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:07 PM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Facing for variable resistance
> 
> 
>   
> Thanks for the reply, Keith.
> I was thinking along the same line. Like Dan, I would be curious if this is consistent thru SATB. What sort of AB elliptical ratios would be ideal? And could you elaborate the part on "to a point" ?
> 
> david
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@> wrote:
> >
> > I think long facings with elliptical curves can do this, to a point.
> >  
> > 
> > Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
> > 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361 
> > Paypal to sabradbury79@ 
> > Check out: http://www.MojoMouthpieceWork.com
> > 
> > From: david tan <dtkky@>
> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:09 AM
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Facing for variable resistance
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Hi all,
> > For a given horn, I prefer low resistance in the low notes and a higher resistance as one goes up to the palm keys. Are there any facings that would facilitate this? Or is this primarily a reed strength thing?
> > 
> > Best
> > David
> >
>