Mouthpiece Work / Curve measurements
FROM: franclarinete (Francisco Jose)
SUBJECT: Curve measurements
Could any generous person give me a good plot of meaurements in order to obtain an orchestral clarinet mouthpiece? Specifically I am looking for something which allows lots of air to come in without breaking the sound between G5 and C6. Something powerful, and with big volume in the high register. Thank you, Fran
FROM: kenlphotos (kenlphotos@...)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------These numbers, thickness gauges on the left and O'Brien Glass gauge numbers on the right work for me on a Kasper Cicero blank. Please let me know how it works. I have 25 yrs experience and have played all the orchestral repetoir, Daphnes, Firebird, Rorem Violin Concerto, Brtok Miraculous mandarin etc. etc. in Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center etc. KenL **0.42** | **2** ---|--- **0.37** | **4** **0.35** | **4.5** **0.30** | **6** **0.24** | **9** **0.20** | **10** **0.18** | **11** **0.15** | **12.5** **0.13** | **13** **0.10** | **15** **0.08** | **16** **0.06** | **17.5** **0.03** | **19.5** **0.015** | **23** **0.010** | **23.5** Mar 15, 2011 07:20:33 PM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > Could any generous person give me a good plot of meaurements in order to > obtain an orchestral clarinet mouthpiece? > > > > > Specifically I am looking for something which allows lots of air to come in > without breaking the sound between G5 and C6. Something powerful, and with > big volume in the high register. > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > Fran > > >
FROM: franclarinete (Francisco Jose)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
Thank you very much. Would you mind to tell me also the tip rail of this mouthpiece?
Greetings
Fran
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
From: kenlphotos@...
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:14:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Curve measurements
These numbers, thickness gauges on the left and O'Brien Glass gauge numbers on the right work for me on a Kasper Cicero blank.
Please let me know how it works. I have 25 yrs experience and have played all the orchestral repetoir, Daphnes, Firebird, Rorem Violin Concerto, Brtok Miraculous mandarin etc. etc. in Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center etc.
KenL
0.42
2
0.37
4
0.35
4.5
0.30
6
0.24
9
0.20
10
0.18
11
0.15
12.5
0.13
13
0.10
15
0.08
16
0.06
17.5
0.03
19.5
0.015
23
0.010
23.5
Mar 15, 2011 07:20:33 PM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Could any generous person give me a good plot of meaurements in order to obtain an orchestral clarinet mouthpiece?
Specifically I am looking for something which allows lots of air to come in without breaking the sound between G5 and C6. Something powerful, and with big volume in the high register.
Thank you,
Fran
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
It looks like the decimal point is off on the left column of numbers. .015"
should read .0015", .42" --> .042", etc. ?
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From: "kenlphotos@..." <kenlphotos@verizon.net>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 8:14:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Curve measurements
These numbers, thickness gauges on the left and O'Brien Glass gauge numbers on
the right work for me on a Kasper Cicero blank.
Please let me know how it works. I have 25 yrs experience and have played all
the orchestral repetoir, Daphnes, Firebird, Rorem Violin Concerto, Brtok
Miraculous mandarin etc. etc. in Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center etc.
KenL
0.42 2
0.37 4
0.35 4.5
0.30 6
0.24 9
0.20 10
0.18 11
0.15 12.5
0.13 13
0.10 15
0.08 16
0.06 17.5
0.03 19.5
0.015 23
0.010 23.5
Mar 15, 2011 07:20:33 PM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
>Could any generous person give me a good plot of meaurements in order to obtain
>an orchestral clarinet mouthpiece?
>
>
>Specifically I am looking for something which allows lots of air to come in
>without breaking the sound between G5 and C6. Something powerful, and with big
>volume in the high register.
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>Fran
>
>
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
Also, if you plot this curve, the facing curve is wiggly in spots. The basic
curve is probably good but i would use fewer readings and fudge them a little
for a smoother target curve. I put a pdf file in the Files - Clarinet section
comparing this curve to the recently submitted Clarinet Curve Finder curve.
________________________________
From: "kenlphotos@..." <kenlphotos@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 8:14:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Curve measurements
These numbers, thickness gauges on the left and O'Brien Glass gauge numbers on
the right work for me on a Kasper Cicero blank.
Please let me know how it works. I have 25 yrs experience and have played all
the orchestral repetoir, Daphnes, Firebird, Rorem Violin Concerto, Brtok
Miraculous mandarin etc. etc. in Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center etc.
KenL
0.42 2
0.37 4
0.35 4.5
0.30 6
0.24 9
0.20 10
0.18 11
0.15 12.5
0.13 13
0.10 15
0.08 16
0.06 17.5
0.03 19.5
0.015 23
0.010 23.5
Mar 15, 2011 07:20:33 PM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
>Could any generous person give me a good plot of meaurements in order to obtain
>an orchestral clarinet mouthpiece?
>
>
>Specifically I am looking for something which allows lots of air to come in
>without breaking the sound between G5 and C6. Something powerful, and with big
>volume in the high register.
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>Fran
>
>
FROM: kenlphotos (kenlphotos@...)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Thanks everyone for the feedback. Yes, I left the zero out of the measurements. I have each thickness gauge numbered with a black felt tip pen to easily see them with these old eyes. Don't need the zero! And yes, the PDF makes my facing look wiggly and I will have to research why. Glancing a light source down the facing does not reveal anything but a beautiful, gentle curve to just behind the tip, which is flat. And the mouthpiece plays beautifully on virgin Vandoren reeds. And yes, I use many more gauges. I discovered a while ago that the 0.037 showed many differences on mouthpieces that were right on for the 0.047 and the 0.035. I then spaced the others sort of equally between the originals. The 0.018 also can often spot a discrepancy. The reason may be my technic of pulling the blank along the sandpaper. KenL Mar 16, 2011 09:15:57 AM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Also, if you plot this curve, the facing curve is wiggly in spots. The basic > curve is probably good but i would use fewer readings and fudge them a > little for a smoother target curve. I put a pdf file in the Files - Clarinet > section comparing this curve to the recently submitted Clarinet Curve Finder > curve. > > * * * > > **From:** "kenlphotos@..." > **To:** MouthpieceWork@...m > **Sent:** Tue, March 15, 2011 8:14:43 PM > **Subject:** Re: [MouthpieceWork] Curve measurements > > > > These numbers, thickness gauges on the left and O'Brien Glass gauge numbers > on the right work for me on a Kasper Cicero blank. > > Please let me know how it works. I have 25 yrs experience and have played > all the orchestral repetoir, Daphnes, Firebird, Rorem Violin Concerto, Brtok > Miraculous mandarin etc. etc. in Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center etc. > > KenL > > **0.42** | **2** > ---|--- > **0.37** | **4** > **0.35** | **4.5** > **0.30** | **6** > **0.24** | **9** > **0.20** | **10** > **0.18** | **11** > **0.15** | **12.5** > **0.13** | **13** > **0.10** | **15** > **0.08** | **16** > **0.06** | **17.5** > **0.03** | **19.5** > **0.015** | **23** > **0.010** | **23.5** > > > > Mar 15, 2011 07:20:33 PM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > >> > >> >> Could any generous person give me a good plot of meaurements in order to obtain an orchestral clarinet mouthpiece? >> >> > >> >> Specifically I am looking for something which allows lots of air to come in without breaking the sound between G5 and C6. Something powerful, and with big volume in the high register. >> >> > >> >> Thank you, >> >> > >> >> Fran >> >> > > > >
FROM: kenlphotos (kenlphotos@...)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------The tip opening measured with the mouthpiece very securely mounted on a flat surface is 0.0455 in. using an inside micrometer. KenL Mar 16, 2011 04:19:50 AM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Thank you very much. Would you mind to tell me also the tip rail of this > mouthpiece? > > > > > Greetings > > > > > Fran > > > > * * * > > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > From: kenlphotos@... > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:14:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Curve measurements > > > > > > > These numbers, thickness gauges on the left and O'Brien Glass gauge numbers > on the right work for me on a Kasper Cicero blank. > > Please let me know how it works. I have 25 yrs experience and have played > all the orchestral repetoir, Daphnes, Firebird, Rorem Violin Concerto, Brtok > Miraculous mandarin etc. etc. in Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center etc. > > KenL > > **0.42** | **2** > ---|--- > **0.37** | **4** > **0.35** | **4.5** > **0.30** | **6** > **0.24** | **9** > **0.20** | **10** > **0.18** | **11** > **0.15** | **12.5** > **0.13** | **13** > **0.10** | **15** > **0.08** | **16** > **0.06** | **17.5** > **0.03** | **19.5** > **0.015** | **23** > **0.010** | **23.5** > > > > Mar 15, 2011 07:20:33 PM, MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > >> > >> >> > >> >> Could any generous person give me a good plot of meaurements in order to obtain an orchestral clarinet mouthpiece? >> >> > >> >> Specifically I am looking for something which allows lots of air to come in without breaking the sound between G5 and C6. Something powerful, and with big volume in the high register. >> >> > >> >> Thank you, >> >> > >> >> Fran >> >> > > > >
FROM: crunchie_nuts (crunchie_nuts)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
With the tip opening you posted, I suggest the analysis shown in the following file I have uploaded in the Clarinet folder: KenL Curve Analysis.pdf Your measurements suggest a facing length of 13.25mm which would be quite short, assuming your readings are given in half millimeters. The curve is approximated by a straightness factor of 0.7 by my reckoning. This is a somewhat flattish curve which be may helping to offset the relatively short facing. Like Keith said, the wriggly-ness of your curve is probably not as bad in reality and could be due to your gauges not being exactly the marked sizes. Regards, Andrew
FROM: mojomouthpiecework (mojomouthpiecework)
SUBJECT: Re: Curve measurements
I think the gage measurements are in mm not 1/2 mms. So the curve is long like the plot I posted. --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "crunchie_nuts" <andrewhdonaldson@...> wrote: > > With the tip opening you posted, I suggest the analysis shown in the following file I have uploaded in the Clarinet folder: > > KenL Curve Analysis.pdf > > Your measurements suggest a facing length of 13.25mm which would be quite short, assuming your readings are given in half millimeters.