what can I modifie to get a more full and singing sound on the high notes up from A on my Morgans 8EL for my tenor.They sound sharp and thin.
They all have a wonderfull low octave sound and play very easy, but I touched them trying to get a richer sound in the higher octave.. helas with bad results...
With patience and Mojos worksheets I worked on them, they plop, they play fantastic over the whole octavespectrum, but get thin above A.
Nice Christmas days to all and all the best
pol

Since you've reworked the facing, I'm guessing that now the baffle is too
high in the zone close behind the tip rail.

Barry

> what can I modifie to get a more full and singing sound on the high notes up
> from A on my Morgans 8EL for my tenor.They sound sharp and thin.
> They all have a wonderfull low octave sound and play very easy, but I touched
> them trying to get a richer sound in the higher octave.. helas with bad
> results...
> With patience and Mojos worksheets I worked on them, they plop, they play
> fantastic over the whole octavespectrum, but get thin above A.
> Nice Christmas days to all and all the best
> pol
> 
> 

thanx Barry
In fact the the baffle area is the most important portion, the angle between the 
bafle surface and the plan of the table determines the brigthness of the sound.
But the Morgans have a really flat roof and nearly no pronounced baffle and I 
kept those parameters nearly inchanged.
pol





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Von: Barry Levine <barrylevine@norwoodlight.com>
An: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 26. Dezember 2010, 22:12:32 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [MouthpieceWork] sharp mouthpiece sound
Thanx
  
Since you've reworked the facing, I'm guessing that now the baffle is too
high in the zone close behind the tip rail.

Barry

> what can I modifie to get a more full and singing sound on the high notes up
> from A on my Morgans 8EL for my tenor.They sound sharp and thin.
> They all have a wonderfull low octave sound and play very easy, but I touched
> them trying to get a richer sound in the higher octave.. helas with bad
> results...
> With patience and Mojos worksheets I worked on them, they plop, they play
> fantastic over the whole octavespectrum, but get thin above A.
> Nice Christmas days to all and all the best
> pol
> 
> 


 

Well, it may be another issue entirely, but if you have an un-altered
Morgan, check the last 1/4" of baffle before the tip rail. I would be
interested to hear if it was perfectly flat all the way to the tip rail.

Removal of material from the curved end of the facing will change the
relationship of the region just behind the tip rail to the end of the facing
- and that region is extremely sensitive to very small changes.

Adding to the difficulty (in my opinion anyway) is that it's difficult to
measure the curvature of that region.

I've used a profiling device when trying to duplicate baffle profiles
between mouthpieces, but I don't see any obvious reproducible way of
measuring and plotting the curve along the baffle surface, unless there is a
tool like a depth gauge that also includes some kind of calibrated stop at
right angles to the depth probe in order to maintain various distances from
the tip.

Barry



> 
> thanx Barry
> In fact the the baffle area is the most important portion, the angle between
> the 
> bafle surface and the plan of the table determines the brigthness of the
> sound.
> But the Morgans have a really flat roof and nearly no pronounced baffle and I
> kept those parameters nearly inchanged.
> pol
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> Von: Barry Levine <barrylevine@...>
> An: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Gesendet: Sonntag, den 26. Dezember 2010, 22:12:32 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [MouthpieceWork] sharp mouthpiece sound
> Thanx
> 
> Since you've reworked the facing, I'm guessing that now the baffle is too
> high in the zone close behind the tip rail.
> 
> Barry
> 
>> what can I modifie to get a more full and singing sound on the high notes up
>> from A on my Morgans 8EL for my tenor.They sound sharp and thin.
>> They all have a wonderfull low octave sound and play very easy, but I touched
>> them trying to get a richer sound in the higher octave.. helas with bad
>> results...
>> With patience and Mojos worksheets I worked on them, they plop, they play
>> fantastic over the whole octavespectrum, but get thin above A.
>> Nice Christmas days to all and all the best
>> pol
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

I'will try to check it out,   but you I agree with you 100% about the measuring 
difficulties.It is already a project for a student to develop an measuring 
device for reproductible results using a CNC .I gave it once for a hand made 
Guardala.
In fact I compared it to Zagar SBB 8 because David Zagar told me it his one has 
""no baffle " compared to my AMMA 7* from TW.
Not very scientific I must agree..
But as I have an recording on 15 January the problem of not finding the right 
sound makes me nervous and instead  blowing I measure most of the time.
Go play now.
pol


 


________________________________
Von: Barry Levine <barrylevine@...>
An: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Montag, den 27. Dezember 2010, 16:45:18 Uhr
Betreff: Re: AW: [MouthpieceWork] sharp mouthpiece sound

  
Well, it may be another issue entirely, but if you have an un-altered
Morgan, check the last 1/4" of baffle before the tip rail. I would be
interested to hear if it was perfectly flat all the way to the tip rail.

Removal of material from the curved end of the facing will change the
relationship of the region just behind the tip rail to the end of the facing
- and that region is extremely sensitive to very small changes.

Adding to the difficulty (in my opinion anyway) is that it's difficult to
measure the curvature of that region.

I've used a profiling device when trying to duplicate baffle profiles
between mouthpieces, but I don't see any obvious reproducible way of
measuring and plotting the curve along the baffle surface, unless there is a
tool like a depth gauge that also includes some kind of calibrated stop at
right angles to the depth probe in order to maintain various distances from
the tip.

Barry

> 
> thanx Barry
> In fact the the baffle area is the most important portion, the angle between
> the 
> bafle surface and the plan of the table determines the brigthness of the
> sound.
> But the Morgans have a really flat roof and nearly no pronounced baffle and I
> kept those parameters nearly inchanged.
> pol
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> Von: Barry Levine <barrylevine@...>
> An: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Gesendet: Sonntag, den 26. Dezember 2010, 22:12:32 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [MouthpieceWork] sharp mouthpiece sound
> Thanx
> 
> Since you've reworked the facing, I'm guessing that now the baffle is too
> high in the zone close behind the tip rail.
> 
> Barry
> 
>> what can I modifie to get a more full and singing sound on the high notes up
>> from A on my Morgans 8EL for my tenor.They sound sharp and thin.
>> They all have a wonderfull low octave sound and play very easy, but I touched
>> them trying to get a richer sound in the higher octave.. helas with bad
>> results...
>> With patience and Mojos worksheets I worked on them, they plop, they play
>> fantastic over the whole octavespectrum, but get thin above A.
>> Nice Christmas days to all and all the best
>> pol
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


 

Assuming it's the piece, this could be a number of things.  OK usually one of 2 things -- either too high a baffle or the facing is too low or too flat toward the front or too long altogether.  That it plays beautifully at the bottom makes me think the curve might be too long.  

  One thing you might try is a less buzzy cut of reed, or a stiffer reed, as all the fixes for the facing curve involve a lot of work and may not be possible if you don't have enough tip left. 
You say you used Mojo's worksheets, what kind of curve does it generate and how long is it?
 
Morgan

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "krapoma" <krapoma@...> wrote:
>
> what can I modifie to get a more full and singing sound on the high notes up from A on my Morgans 8EL for my tenor.They sound sharp and thin.
> They all have a wonderfull low octave sound and play very easy, but I touched them trying to get a richer sound in the higher octave.. helas with bad results...
> With patience and Mojos worksheets I worked on them, they plop, they play fantastic over the whole octavespectrum, but get thin above A.
> Nice Christmas days to all and all the best
> pol
>

you are right the curve is too long nearby LS at 0,015 and I think that my 
radial curve is not precise enough, has to many bumps. I must try to work on it 
but your remark about the tip thickness makes me hesitate.
Thanx and all the best for 2011





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Von: Morgan <frymorgan@...>
An: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 30. Dezember 2010, 3:51:23 Uhver
Betreff: [MouthpieceWork] Re: sharp mouthpiece sound

  
Assuming it's the piece, this could be a number of things.  OK usually one of 2 
things -- either too high a baffle or the facing is too low or too flat toward 
the front or too long altogether.  That it plays beautifully at the bottom makes 
me think the curve might be too long. 


One thing you might try is a less buzzy cut of reed, or a stiffer reed, as all 
the fixes for the facing curve involve a lot of work and may not be possible if 
you don't have enough tip left. 

You say you used Mojo's worksheets, what kind of curve does it generate and how 
long is it?

Morgan

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "krapoma" <krapoma@...> wrote:
>
> what can I modifie to get a more full and singing sound on the high notes up 
>from A on my Morgans 8EL for my tenor.They sound sharp and thin.
> They all have a wonderfull low octave sound and play very easy, but I touched 
>them trying to get a richer sound in the higher octave.. helas with bad 
>results...
> With patience and Mojos worksheets I worked on them, they plop, they play 
>fantastic over the whole octavespectrum, but get thin above A.
> Nice Christmas days to all and all the best
> pol
>