Can anyone tell me the difference between Berg Larsen SMS & M lays.

Their literature states that the M is longer but this is only true for
tenor and baritone and not alto and soprano, where the lays are the same
length for both SMS & M models.

I gather that French cut reeds match the SMS & American cut reeds match
the M .

My main question is:-  Can anyone give the lay measurements for a Larsen
clarinet or alto in both SMS and M versions of the same tip opening, so
that I can relate to the differing curves.

Eddie

I have not been able to detect any variation between M and SMS facings.  Most Bergs have convex tables so the .0015" feeler measures way long on both facings.  Two Bergs marked the same will often measure more different than a M vs a SMS.  Maybe there was a time/era of Bergs where they were made better.  Like maybe the 60's HR Bergs.  But I do not see many of these.
 
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From: Edward McLean <ed@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:36:50 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Berg Larsen SMS vs M

  
Can anyone tell me the difference between Berg Larsen SMS & M lays.

Their literature states that the M is longer but this is only true for tenor and baritone and not alto and soprano, where the lays are the same length for both SMS & M models.

I gather that French cut reeds match the SMS & American cut reeds match the M . 

My main question is:-  Can anyone give the lay measurements for a Larsen clarinet or alto in both SMS and M versions of the same tip opening, so that I can relate to the differing curves.

Eddie




      

Keith:
I believe the older Bergs stamped SMS had a shorter, more pronounced  
curve.....of course, the company has changed hands many times, and I  
have not a clue what they are manufacturing today.


On May 20, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Keith Bradbury wrote:

>
> I have not been able to detect any variation between M and SMS  
> facings.  Most Bergs have convex tables so the .0015" feeler  
> measures way long on both facings.  Two Bergs marked the same will  
> often measure more different than a M vs a SMS.  Maybe there was a  
> time/era of Bergs where they were made better.  Like maybe the 60's  
> HR Bergs.  But I do not see many of these.
>
> Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
> 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361
> Paypal to sabradbury79@...
> Check out: http://www.MojoMouthpieceWork.com
> ...and: http://www.facebook.com/mojomouthpiecework
>
>
> From: Edward McLean <ed@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:36:50 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Berg Larsen SMS vs M
>
>
> Can anyone tell me the difference between Berg Larsen SMS & M lays.
>
> Their literature states that the M is longer but this is only true  
> for tenor and baritone and not alto and soprano, where the lays are  
> the same length for both SMS & M models.
>
> I gather that French cut reeds match the SMS & American cut reeds  
> match the M .
>
> My main question is:-  Can anyone give the lay measurements for a  
> Larsen clarinet or alto in both SMS and M versions of the same tip  
> opening, so that I can relate to the differing curves.
>
> Eddie
>
>
>
> 

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> I have not been able to detect any variation between M and SMS facings.  Most Bergs have convex tables so the .0015" feeler measures way long on both facings.  Two Bergs marked the same will often measure more different than a M vs a SMS.  Maybe there was a time/era of Bergs where they were made better.  Like maybe the 60's HR Bergs.  But I do not see many of these.
>  
>
>Thanks for the replies Keith & Steve.
 
The steel tenors I have come across had rounded tables and are a pain to work on. An alto version with a bent tip hammered flat no bother and finished up ok. 
>My own rubber clarinet 'piece made for me by Berg in the early sixties, has a flat table, though slightly concave across.
Stamped 60/0M it measures 57/669 and still plays great.
It has a radial curve with a slight flip tip.
>An equally old 50/2SMS I measured, had a definite flat at the 25 thou feeler, so I am wondering if this was the standard difference between M & SMS.
I believe modern Larsens are made in Belgium_______________________________
> From: Edward McLean <ed@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:36:50 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Berg Larsen SMS vs M
> 
>  
> Can anyone tell me the difference between Berg Larsen SMS & M lays.
> 
> Their literature states that the M is longer but this is only true for tenor and baritone and not alto and soprano, where the lays are the same length for both SMS & M models.
> 
> I gather that French cut reeds match the SMS & American cut reeds match the M . 
> 
> My main question is:-  Can anyone give the lay measurements for a Larsen clarinet or alto in both SMS and M versions of the same tip opening, so that I can relate to the differing curves.
> 
> Eddie
>

They are so inconsistent in both curve and table flatness I haven't been able to figure out what spec is for either, except that they're both too long.

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Edward McLean" <ed@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me the difference between Berg Larsen SMS & M lays.
> 
> Their literature states that the M is longer but this is only true for
> tenor and baritone and not alto and soprano, where the lays are the same
> length for both SMS & M models.
> 
> I gather that French cut reeds match the SMS & American cut reeds match
> the M .
> 
> My main question is:-  Can anyone give the lay measurements for a Larsen
> clarinet or alto in both SMS and M versions of the same tip opening, so
> that I can relate to the differing curves.
> 
> Eddie
>