Can anyone relate the difference between a Vandoren B45 and a Vandoren 5 JB.  Is the 5 JB just an older model?


Bill Daleiden
A NEW Tune, LLC
(920) 264-5827


      

Hi Bill:

The 5JB is a jazz model with a more open facing. The one that I worked measured .057" which is pretty open for most clarinet players tastes.  The B45 is a medium facing. 

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, William Daleiden <wdaleiden@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone relate the difference between a Vandoren B45 and a Vandoren 5 JB.  Is the 5 JB just an older model?
> 
> 
> Bill Daleiden
> A NEW Tune, LLC
> (920) 264-5827
>

The 5JB is more open.  Their website should have the info.
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-----Original Message-----
From: William Daleiden 
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:47:14 
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Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Clarinet MP

Can anyone relate the difference between a Vandoren B45 and a Vandoren 5 JB.  Is the 5 JB just an older model?


Bill Daleiden
A NEW Tune, LLC
(920) 264-5827


      

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "gregwier" <gregwier@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill:
> 
> The 5JB is a jazz model with a more open facing. The one that I worked measured .057" which is pretty open for most clarinet players tastes.  The B45 is a medium facing. 
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, William Daleiden <wdaleiden@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone relate the difference between a Vandoren B45 and a Vandoren 5 JB.  Is the 5 JB just an older model?
> > 
> > 
> > Bill Daleiden
> > A NEW Tune, LLC
> > (920) 264-5827
> >
> The Vandoren 5JB is usually listed as having a .057" tip opening, but it has bothered me for some time that KWB's very helpful listing of 7 MPC's in the files section, describes it as measuring .054".
As this is a fairly large difference on clarinet, it rather goes against Vandoren's reputation for the accuracy of their product.
Maybe they have bad days like everyone else.
Eddie McLean

I think Vandoren measures openings at the very tip and I measure to the inside of the tip rail.  So this can explain .057" vs .054".   Vandoren is probably within +/- .001" of their target.  

Measuring at the very tip is much more difficult to take accurately.  You need a gage with a pointed probe and you must sneak up to the tip without falling off the edge.  It is even more difficult with calipers and not possible with a wand or flat probe machinist depth gage.




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From: Edward McLean <ed@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:08:04 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Clarinet MP

  

> The Vandoren 5JB is usually listed as having a .057" tip opening, but it has bothered me for some time that KWB's very helpful listing of 7 MPC's in the files section, describes it as measuring .054".
As this is a fairly large difference on clarinet, it rather goes against Vandoren's reputation for the accuracy of their product.
Maybe they have bad days like everyone else.
Eddie McLean





      

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
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> I think Vandoren measures openings at the very tip and I measure to the inside of the tip rail.  So this can explain .057" vs .054".   Vandoren is probably within +/- .001" of their target.  
> 
> Measuring at the very tip is much more difficult to take accurately.  You need a gage with a pointed probe and you must sneak up to the tip without falling off the edge.  It is even more difficult with calipers and not possible with a wand or flat probe machinist depth gage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> From: Edward McLean <ed@...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:08:04 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Clarinet MP
> 
>   
> 
> > The Vandoren 5JB is usually listed as having a .057" tip opening, but it has bothered me for some time that KWB's very helpful listing of 7 MPC's in the files section, describes it as measuring .054".
> As this is a fairly large difference on clarinet, it rather goes against Vandoren's reputation for the accuracy of their product.
> Maybe they have bad days like everyone else.
> Eddie McLean
>
 Thanks for the explanation Keith. I should have remembered that you have mentioned this before. I agree with measuring at the inside  of the tip rail, as it is easier and more precise. Vandoren give the length as 22mm, compared to your measurement with a .0015" feeler of 18mm. Again their tendency to measure at extreme points, gives a false impression of the lay when compared to other makes. It now looks less extreme and closer to ones I have made and like.  
 Eddie.