I have been reading the posts and today I finally got the nerve to pull out some 400 grit sand paper and clean up the table on my old Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax mouthpiece.  I was amazed at how mis-shapen the table was.  I purchased the mouthpiece used about 16 years ago and it is a little beat up.  I can't believe how much better the sound is.  It's like night and day and it only took a few strokes over the sand paper to clean it up.  My question is this, I am getting a motorboat sound, flutter/gargle on the low end, particularly low D.  Is there a way to correct this?  I have tried this mouthpiece on two horns and it is happening on both, with the same note.  I don't have that problem with I play my Bobby Dukoff D7.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, 
Gerry

After flattening the table, did you compensate for how much you shortened the facing?  Blend the back of the facing curve into the table gently and see if that helps.


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "gzydek" <gzydek@...> wrote:
>
> I have been reading the posts and today I finally got the nerve to pull out some 400 grit sand paper and clean up the table on my old Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax mouthpiece.  I was amazed at how mis-shapen the table was.  I purchased the mouthpiece used about 16 years ago and it is a little beat up.  I can't believe how much better the sound is.  It's like night and day and it only took a few strokes over the sand paper to clean it up.  My question is this, I am getting a motorboat sound, flutter/gargle on the low end, particularly low D.  Is there a way to correct this?  I have tried this mouthpiece on two horns and it is happening on both, with the same note.  I don't have that problem with I play my Bobby Dukoff D7.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, 
> Gerry
>

If you did any significant flattening you will most likely need to narrow
the side rails as well as lengthen the facing curve…..

 

From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Morgan
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:37 PM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax D 4 Low end
motorboating sound

 

  

After flattening the table, did you compensate for how much you shortened
the facing? Blend the back of the facing curve into the table gently and see
if that helps.

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com> , "gzydek" <gzydek@...> wrote:
>
> I have been reading the posts and today I finally got the nerve to pull
out some 400 grit sand paper and clean up the table on my old Bobby Dukoff
Tenor Sax mouthpiece. I was amazed at how mis-shapen the table was. I
purchased the mouthpiece used about 16 years ago and it is a little beat up.
I can't believe how much better the sound is. It's like night and day and it
only took a few strokes over the sand paper to clean it up. My question is
this, I am getting a motorboat sound, flutter/gargle on the low end,
particularly low D. Is there a way to correct this? I have tried this
mouthpiece on two horns and it is happening on both, with the same note. I
don't have that problem with I play my Bobby Dukoff D7. Any help or advice
would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, 
> Gerry
>

You might try putting the mouthpiece slightly farther onto the neck and playing with a slightly looser embouchure to bring the pitch back down.  It is also important that the low C key opening at the front of the key is at least 1/3 the diameter of the low C tonehole for the low D to vent properly.

John

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "STEVE GOODSON" <saxgourmet@...> wrote:
>
> If you did any significant flattening you will most likely need to narrow
> the side rails as well as lengthen the facing curve…..
> 
>  
> 
> From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Morgan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:37 PM
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax D 4 Low end
> motorboating sound
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> After flattening the table, did you compensate for how much you shortened
> the facing? Blend the back of the facing curve into the table gently and see
> if that helps.
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com> , "gzydek" <gzydek@> wrote:
> >
> > I have been reading the posts and today I finally got the nerve to pull
> out some 400 grit sand paper and clean up the table on my old Bobby Dukoff
> Tenor Sax mouthpiece. I was amazed at how mis-shapen the table was. I
> purchased the mouthpiece used about 16 years ago and it is a little beat up.
> I can't believe how much better the sound is. It's like night and day and it
> only took a few strokes over the sand paper to clean it up. My question is
> this, I am getting a motorboat sound, flutter/gargle on the low end,
> particularly low D. Is there a way to correct this? I have tried this
> mouthpiece on two horns and it is happening on both, with the same note. I
> don't have that problem with I play my Bobby Dukoff D7. Any help or advice
> would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Gerry
> >
>

Thank you for all of the help and suggestions.  I need to get a glass gauge so that I can compare the curve of my Dukoff 7 to the 4.  I don't want to mess it up.  I will give your tips a try as soon as I get the gauge.

Thanks!
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jtalcott47@...> wrote:
>
> You might try putting the mouthpiece slightly farther onto the neck and playing with a slightly looser embouchure to bring the pitch back down.  It is also important that the low C key opening at the front of the key is at least 1/3 the diameter of the low C tonehole for the low D to vent properly.
> 
> John
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "STEVE GOODSON" <saxgourmet@> wrote:
> >
> > If you did any significant flattening you will most likely need to narrow
> > the side rails as well as lengthen the facing curve…..
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Morgan
> > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:37 PM
> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax D 4 Low end
> > motorboating sound
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > After flattening the table, did you compensate for how much you shortened
> > the facing? Blend the back of the facing curve into the table gently and see
> > if that helps.
> > 
> > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com> , "gzydek" <gzydek@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been reading the posts and today I finally got the nerve to pull
> > out some 400 grit sand paper and clean up the table on my old Bobby Dukoff
> > Tenor Sax mouthpiece. I was amazed at how mis-shapen the table was. I
> > purchased the mouthpiece used about 16 years ago and it is a little beat up.
> > I can't believe how much better the sound is. It's like night and day and it
> > only took a few strokes over the sand paper to clean it up. My question is
> > this, I am getting a motorboat sound, flutter/gargle on the low end,
> > particularly low D. Is there a way to correct this? I have tried this
> > mouthpiece on two horns and it is happening on both, with the same note. I
> > don't have that problem with I play my Bobby Dukoff D7. Any help or advice
> > would be appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Thanks, 
> > > Gerry
> > >
> >
>

That seems pretty high, with a long key throw even at that height.

On my tenor and soprano, set up by Les Arbuckle, the pad height is about 1/4
of the tone-hole diameter.

I concur with others, that having flattened his table a bit, his facing
curve no longer transitions smoothly at the break, causing this problem.

Barry

> From: "gzydek" <gzydek@...>
> Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:55:03 -0000
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax D 4  Low end motorboating
> sound
> 
>> > You might try putting the mouthpiece slightly farther onto the neck and
>> playing with a slightly looser embouchure to bring the pitch back down.  It
>> is also important that the low C key opening at the front of the key is at
>> least 1/3 the diameter of the low C tonehole for the low D to vent properly.
>> > 
>> > John
> 

Any venting in excess of 30% of the tone hole diameter makes no difference
whatsoever………

 

From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Levine
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:43 PM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax D 4 Low end
motorboating sound

 

  

That seems pretty high, with a long key throw even at that height. 

On my tenor and soprano, set up by Les Arbuckle, the pad height is about 1/4
of the tone-hole diameter. 

I concur with others, that having flattened his table a bit, his facing
curve no longer transitions smoothly at the break, causing this problem.

Barry


From: "gzydek" <gzydek@...>
Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:55:03 -0000
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Bobby Dukoff Tenor Sax D 4  Low end
motorboating sound

> You might try putting the mouthpiece slightly farther onto the neck and
playing with a slightly looser embouchure to bring the pitch back down.  It
is also important that the low C key opening at the front of the key is at
least 1/3 the diameter of the low C tonehole for the low D to vent properly.
> 
> John