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FROM: pfdeley (Peter Deley)

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Hi Geo,
  I have one soprano 4CM, unplayed.     Peter

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, G B <hakerkatz@...> wrote:

From: G B <hakerkatz@...m>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] I'm looking for
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 8:58 AM

Anyone have any Yamaha sop and alto CM mouthpieces they want to part with? Also looking for a Yamaha sop 7C.

Thanks
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Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 1741
To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:52 AM

Sax and Clarinet Mouthpiece Work 

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1a. 
Re: tip rail again From: arnoldstang3 
1b. 
Re: tip rail again From: Barry Levine 
1c. 
Re: tip rail again From: crunchie_nuts 
1d. 
Re: tip rail again From: Keith Bradbury 
1e. 
Re: tip rail again From: kymarto123@ybb. ne.jp 
1f. 
Re: tip rail again From: frymorgan 
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1a. 

Re: tip rail again 
Posted by: "arnoldstang3" john_w_price33@ hotmail.com   arnoldstang3 
Wed Sep 9, 2009 11:54 am (PDT) 

-Does anyone in the group use a thinner or thicker tip rail than 1/32"? -- In MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@ ...> wrote:
>
> First put your favorite reed on the mouthpiece and file the outside of the tip to match the reed tip shape. You then have the option of filing more off the tip to thin the tip rail or you can file from the inside to thin the tip rail. There are times when you want to do either or a combination of both. I would target for a uniform tip rail thickness of about 1/32". 
> 
> Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
> 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361 
> Paypal to sabradbury79@ ... 
> Check out: http://www.MojoMout hpieceWork. com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: arnoldstang3 <john_w_price33@ ...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:49:44 PM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] tip rail again
> 
> 
> Well i narrowed the side rails and this has helped a bit. Regarding the tip rail has anyone experimented with different dimensions from side to side? It tends to get wider in the middle for me as I open mouthpieces. Is this a bad thing?
>

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Re: tip rail again 
Posted by: "Barry Levine" barrylevine@ norwoodlight. com   moeaaron 
Wed Sep 9, 2009 5:04 pm (PDT) 

Helped what particular quality?

I'm wondering if you're looking to the tip rail as a solution to a different
problem actually - which is the profile of the baffle in the zone of about
1/4" behind the tip rail.

Refacing alters this profile. And this can have a profound influence on how
the mouthpiece plays.

Moreover, it's a dicey bit of adjustment in my (albeit limited) experience.
It seems very sensitive to small changes. And I find it difficult to
actually measure the shape of the baffle in this area (if there is a good
way to do this, I'd like to know it.) One needs some combination of a depth
gauge plus a way of setting the distance from the mouthpiece tip when
measuring.

I've used a profile gauge as a way of comparing this baffle profile in one
mouthpiece that played well to another that didn't. Crude, but gets one into
the ballpark.

Barry

>> From: arnoldstang3 <john_w_price33@ ...>
>> To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:MouthpieceW ork%40yahoogroup s.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:49:44 PM
>> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] tip rail again
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>> Well i narrowed the side rails and this has helped a bit. ...

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Re: tip rail again 
Posted by: "crunchie_nuts" andrewhdonaldson@ hotmail.com   crunchie_nuts 
Wed Sep 9, 2009 6:43 pm (PDT) 

Yes, that is what I would aim for, 0.7mm to 0.8mm width.

I would classify wider than 0.8mm as a wide rail and less than 0.7mm as a thin rail.

However, tip rail widths up to 1mm are not uncommon. Thin tip rails can give an easier response but do mean you have to have a reed shape with a close fit in order to get a good seal.

To ascertain the baffle shape right behind the tip rail, I simply sight a small stainless steel ruler on edge against the baffle. This will give an idea of how much curvature there is there. If the baffle is too high it will choke off the sound or even touch the reed prior to the rail, resulting in a tendency to squeal or chirp.

Regards,
Andrew

--- In MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com, "arnoldstang3" <john_w_price33@ ...> wrote:
>
> -Does anyone in the group use a thinner or thicker tip rail than 1/32"? -- In MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@ > wrote:
> >
> > First put your favorite reed on the mouthpiece and file the outside of the tip to match the reed tip shape. You then have the option of filing more off the tip to thin the tip rail or you can file from the inside to thin the tip rail. There are times when you want to do either or a combination of both. I would target for a uniform tip rail thickness of about 1/32". 
> > 
> > Mojo Mouthpiece Work LLC
> > 2925 Crane St., Vineland, NJ 08361 
> > Paypal to sabradbury79@ 
> > Check out: http://www.MojoMout hpieceWork. com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: arnoldstang3 <john_w_price33@ >
> > To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:49:44 PM
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] tip rail again
> > 
> > 
> > Well i narrowed the side rails and this has helped a bit. Regarding the tip rail has anyone experimented with different dimensions from side to side? It tends to get wider in the middle for me as I open mouthpieces. Is this a bad thing?
> >
>

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Re: tip rail again 
Posted by: "Keith Bradbury" kwbradbury@yahoo. com   kwbradbury 
Wed Sep 9, 2009 6:43 pm (PDT) 

Yes, I use all kinds of thicknesses. Thinner ones (like .018" thick) articulate well but can be prone to squeaking depending on the players embouchure. Thin can sound rich in overtones and/or edgy. Thin also requires a good fit to the shape of the reed tip. So I prefer not to go below .024" or so.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 2:54:13 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: tip rail again

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Re: tip rail again 
Posted by: "kymarto123@ ybb.ne.jp" kymarto123@ybb. ne.jp   kymarto 
Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:23 am (PDT) 

I ran across an interesting bit of Benade, IIRC, in which
he strongly recommends a cutting a groove in the baffle
just behind the tip rail to optimize the response of the
reed aeroacoustically. I personally have always found that
taking some material off just behind the tip rail helps to
keep the reed from chirping, although I have never gone so
far as to actually cut a step behind the tip rail. However
it is certainly true that refacing can effectively raise
the height of the baffle just behind the tip rail, and you
might have to cut that back down after finishing the
reface in order to get response similar to what you had
originally.

--- Barry Levine <barrylevine@ norwoodlight. com> wrote:

> Helped what particular quality?
> 
> I'm wondering if you're looking to the tip rail as a
> solution to a different
> problem actually - which is the profile of the
> baffle in the zone of about
> 1/4" behind the tip rail.
> 
> Refacing alters this profile. And this can have a
> profound influence on how
> the mouthpiece plays.
> 
> Moreover, it's a dicey bit of adjustment in my
> (albeit limited) experience.
> It seems very sensitive to small changes. And I
> find it difficult to
> actually measure the shape of the baffle in this
> area (if there is a good
> way to do this, I'd like to know it.) One needs some
> combination of a depth
> gauge plus a way of setting the distance from the
> mouthpiece tip when
> measuring.
> 
> I've used a profile gauge as a way of comparing this
> baffle profile in one
> mouthpiece that played well to another that didn't.
> Crude, but gets one into
> the ballpark.
> 
> Barry
> 
> >> From: arnoldstang3 <john_w_price33@ ...>
> >> To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:MouthpieceW ork%40yahoogroup s.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:49:44 PM
> >> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] tip rail again
> >> 
> >>   
> >> Well i narrowed the side rails and this has
> helped a bit. ...
> 
> 

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Re: tip rail again 
Posted by: "frymorgan" frymorgan@yahoo. com   frymorgan 
Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:56 am (PDT) 

I'm not sure we can blame chirping on thin tip rails. I had the pleasure of trying several Meyer Brothers pieces a few weeks ago -- altos and baris. They all had hairline tip rails -- not just thin, but all but non-existent. Every one of them articulated very very well, even on reeds that don't line up perfectly. At best I think maybe a wider tip rail tends to dampen all vibration of the reed, incuding the tendency to vibrate at its on frequency (chirping), as wider side rails do. This can inhibit a tendency to chirp that has another cause (asymmetry, too-high baffle, etc.).

FWIW, I routinely use pretty thin tip rails, almost always <.5mm, unless I'm trying to darken/deaden the sound of a piece. 

--- In MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I use all kinds of thicknesses. Thinner ones (like .018" thick) articulate well but can be prone to squeaking depending on the players embouchure. Thin can sound rich in overtones and/or edgy. Thin also requires a good fit to the shape of the reed tip. So I prefer not to go below .024" or so.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: arnoldstang3 <john_w_price33@ ...>
> To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 2:54:13 PM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: tip rail again
> 
> 
> -Does anyone in the group use a thinner or thicker tip rail than 1/32"? -- 
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