Suction groove in the table (Mouthpiece Work Yahoo Group)

FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)

SUBJECT: Suction groove in the table

I was speaking to some friends in Asia who manufacture mouthpieces (you
gotta love Skype!) and the subject of leaving a depression in the middle of
the table to act as a sort of "suction cup" to pull the reed down and bind
it to the table came up. I've noticed this on some mouthpieces. We
manufacture ours with the table as flat as humanly possible, but I'm always
open to a "better way"..does anybody wish to sell me on this idea?

 

STEVE GOODSON

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FROM: dkulcinski (dkulcinski)

SUBJECT: Re: Suction groove in the table

Is that the "concavity" that keeps coming up in posts?  Also, is that groove running the length of the table, i.e. high points on the sides of the table, or across the table, i.e. the high points at the shank end & the window end?

David

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "STEVE GOODSON" <saxgourmet@...> wrote:
>
> I was speaking to some friends in Asia who manufacture mouthpieces (you
> gotta love Skype!) and the subject of leaving a depression in the middle of
> the table to act as a sort of "suction cup" to pull the reed down and bind
> it to the table came up. I've noticed this on some mouthpieces. We
> manufacture ours with the table as flat as humanly possible, but I'm always
> open to a "better way"..does anybody wish to sell me on this idea?
> 
>  
> 
> STEVE GOODSON
> 
> SAXOPHONE DESIGNER TO THE STARS
> 
>  
> 
> our products are ALL rated 
> 
>  
> 
> cid:339191121@25022009-09F4
> 
>  
> 
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> hallway where thieves
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> 
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> 
>  
> 
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FROM: lancelotburt (MartinMods)

SUBJECT: Re: Suction groove in the table

There was the big discussion here a few months ago on this.  The general consensus was that the concavity in some mouthpieces was a result of thermal expansion during tooling, and not a design characteristic.  I spoke to Wolfe Tanninbaum (Tayne) about this the other day and he said that he intentionally puts a dip in the table as he felt that it "trained" the reed as regards the break point.  He had an article on this in a recent Saxophone Journal issue.

From purely a marketing standpoint though, ask yourself if making the table flat is an advantage.  I'd say that most people who own saxophones do not worry about flattening their water swollen reed.  Once their reed swells to a certain point and doesn't seal any longer on the flat table, they will complain, and then get a new reed.  The same person with a concave table, will be able to play much longer on the same swollen reed, before the seal goes.  They won't have to change reeds so often, and if they are smart enough to make the connection, they will inevitably come to the conclusion that for them, the mouthpiece with the concave table is by far the better mouthpiece.  

So, I guess determining which was ultimately better for the merchant would depend upon what he was selling, mouthpieces or reeds.




--- On Thu, 8/20/09, STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...> wrote:

From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 5:05 PM






 




    
                  







I was speaking to some friends in Asia who manufacture
mouthpieces (you gotta love Skype!) and the subject of leaving a depression in
the middle of the table to act as a sort of “suction cup” to pull
the reed down and bind it to the table came up. I’ve noticed this on some
mouthpieces. We manufacture ours with the table as flat as humanly possible,
but I’m always open to a “better way”……does
anybody wish to sell me on this idea? 

   

STEVE GOODSON 

SAXOPHONE DESIGNER TO THE STARS 

   

our products are ALL rated  

   

 

  

PLEASE VISIT MY WEBSITES

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(retail sales and discussion forum)

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(discussion group)

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(saxophone history and information)

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personal saxophone blog) 

   

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SAXOPHONE JOURNAL

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plastic hallway where thieves 

BASIC SHOP RATE........ ........$ 100/HR 

IF YOU WATCH....... ......... .....$125/ HR 

IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS.... ...$150/HR 

IF I HAVE TO LISTEN TO A CONCERT  

LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES WHEN 

YOU PICK UP YOUR HORN....$250/ HR 

   

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plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs.
There's also a negative side." Hunter S. Thompson 

  

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FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)

SUBJECT: Re: Suction groove in the table

I don’t understand people who don’t use a reed re-surfacer to flatten the back of  the reed…..It strikes me as a necessary first step, and I’ve done it since I was a kid……….I read Wolfie’s article, of course, and have a number of his original mouthpieces, all of which have a concavity. 

 

 

 

From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MartinMods
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:48 PM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table

 

  


There was the big discussion here a few months ago on this.  The general consensus was that the concavity in some mouthpieces was a result of thermal expansion during tooling, and not a design characteristic.  I spoke to Wolfe Tanninbaum (Tayne) about this the other day and he said that he intentionally puts a dip in the table as he felt that it "trained" the reed as regards the break point.  He had an article on this in a recent Saxophone Journal issue.

From purely a marketing standpoint though, ask yourself if making the table flat is an advantage.  I'd say that most people who own saxophones do not worry about flattening their water swollen reed.  Once their reed swells to a certain point and doesn't seal any longer on the flat table, they will complain, and then get a new reed.  The same person with a concave table, will be able to play much longer on the same swollen reed, before the seal goes..  They won't have to change reeds so often, and if they are smart enough to make the connection, they will inevitably come to the conclusion that for them, the mouthpiece with the concave table is by far the better mouthpiece.  

So, I guess determining which was ultimately better for the merchant would depend upon what he was selling, mouthpieces or reeds..




--- On Thu, 8/20/09, STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...> wrote:


From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 5:05 PM

  

I was speaking to some friends in Asia who manufacture mouthpieces (you gotta love Skype!) and the subject of leaving a depression in the middle of the table to act as a sort of “suction cup” to pull the reed down and bind it to the table came up. I’ve noticed this on some mouthpieces. We manufacture ours with the table as flat as humanly possible, but I’m always open to a “better way”……does anybody wish to sell me on this idea?

 

STEVE GOODSON

SAXOPHONE DESIGNER TO THE STARS

 

our products are ALL rated 

 

cid:339191121@25022009-09F4

 

PLEASE VISIT MY WEBSITES
 <http://www.nationofmusic.com/> http://www.nationof music.com/ (retail sales and discussion forum)
 <http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/SaxophoneRepair/> http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ SaxophoneRepair/  (discussion group)
 <http://www.saxgourmet.com/> http://www.saxgourm et.com/  (saxophone history and information)
 <http://saxophonethoughts.blogspot.com/> http://saxophonetho ughts.blogspot. com/  (my personal saxophone blog)

 

READ MY ARTICLES ON SAXOPHONE DESIGN IN EACH ISSUE OF THE SAXOPHONE JOURNAL
The Music Business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves

BASIC SHOP RATE........ ........$ 100/HR

IF YOU WATCH....... .......... .....$125/ HR

IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS... ...$150/HR

IF I HAVE TO LISTEN TO A CONCERT 

LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES WHEN

YOU PICK UP YOUR HORN....$250/ HR

 

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FROM: lancelotburt (MartinMods)

SUBJECT: Re: Suction groove in the table

If you don't know about it, it's called "Ignorance".  If you know about it and don't do it, it's called "Lazyness".  If someone were to take a poll on SOTW, I'd put my money on the majority not flattening their reeds at all, as those who have reached the degree of proficiency to care about that, are at the top of the pyramid.

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...> wrote:

From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...>
Subject: RE: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 6:09 PM

I don’t understand people who don’t use a reed re-surfacer to
flatten the back of  the reed…..It strikes me as a necessary first step, and I’ve
done it since I was a kid……….I read Wolfie’s article, of course, and have a
number of his original mouthpieces, all of which have a concavity.  

From: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:MouthpieceW ork@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of MartinMods

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:48 PM

To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table 

  There was the big discussion here a few months ago on
  this.  The general consensus was that the concavity in some mouthpieces
  was a result of thermal expansion during tooling, and not a design
  characteristic.  I spoke to Wolfe Tanninbaum (Tayne) about this the
  other day and he said that he intentionally puts a dip in the table as he
  felt that it "trained" the reed as regards the break point. 
  He had an article on this in a recent Saxophone Journal issue.

  From purely a marketing standpoint though, ask yourself if making the table
  flat is an advantage.  I'd say that most people who own saxophones do
  not worry about flattening their water swollen reed.  Once their reed
  swells to a certain point and doesn't seal any longer on the flat table, they
  will complain, and then get a new reed.  The same person with a concave
  table, will be able to play much longer on the same swollen reed, before the
  seal goes..  They won't have to change reeds so often, and if they are
  smart enough to make the connection, they will inevitably come to the
  conclusion that for them, the mouthpiece with the concave table is by far the
  better mouthpiece.  

  So, I guess determining which was ultimately better for the merchant would
  depend upon what he was selling, mouthpieces or reeds..

  --- On Thu, 8/20/09, STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@cox. net>
  wrote: 

  From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@cox. net>

  Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table

  To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com

  Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 5:05 PM 

  I was speaking to some friends in Asia who manufacture
  mouthpieces (you gotta love Skype!) and the subject of leaving a depression
  in the middle of the table to act as a sort of “suction cup” to pull the reed
  down and bind it to the table came up. I’ve noticed this on some mouthpieces.
  We manufacture ours with the table as flat as humanly possible, but I’m
  always open to a “better way”……does anybody wish to sell me on this idea? 

  STEVE GOODSON 
  SAXOPHONE DESIGNER TO THE STARS 

  our products are ALL rated  

  PLEASE VISIT MY WEBSITES

  http://www.nationof music.com/ (retail sales and discussion
  forum)

  http://launch. groups.yahoo.
  com/group/ SaxophoneRepair/  (discussion group)

  http://www.saxgourm et.com/  (saxophone history and
  information)

  http://saxophonetho ughts.blogspot. com/ 
  (my personal saxophone blog) 

  READ MY ARTICLES ON SAXOPHONE DESIGN IN
  EACH ISSUE OF THE SAXOPHONE JOURNAL

  The Music Business is a cruel
  and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves 
  BASIC SHOP RATE........ ........$
  100/HR 
  IF YOU WATCH....... ..........
  .....$125/ HR 
  IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS... ...$150/HR 
  IF I HAVE TO LISTEN TO A CONCERT  
  LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES WHEN 
  YOU PICK UP YOUR HORN....$250/ HR 

  The Music Business is a cruel and shallow
  money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and
  good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Hunter S.
  Thompson 

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FROM: lancelotburt (MartinMods)

SUBJECT: Re: Suction groove in the table

There is a thread on SOTW currently on this:  

http://www.saxontheweb.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=105409&highlight=flatten+reed

abadcliche (Matt Stohrer) www.stohrerwoodwinds.com is working on a design to make the mouthpiece more "reed friendly" in this regard.



--- On Thu, 8/20/09, STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@...> wrote:

From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 6:09 PM






 




    
                  







I don’t understand people who don’t use a reed re-surfacer to
flatten the back of  the reed…..It strikes me as a necessary first step, and I’ve
done it since I was a kid……….I read Wolfie’s article, of course, and have a
number of his original mouthpieces, all of which have a concavity.  

   

   

   





From: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:MouthpieceW ork@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of MartinMods

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:48 PM

To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table 





   

   








 
  
  There was the big discussion here a few months ago on
  this.  The general consensus was that the concavity in some mouthpieces
  was a result of thermal expansion during tooling, and not a design
  characteristic.  I spoke to Wolfe Tanninbaum (Tayne) about this the
  other day and he said that he intentionally puts a dip in the table as he
  felt that it "trained" the reed as regards the break point. 
  He had an article on this in a recent Saxophone Journal issue.

  

  From purely a marketing standpoint though, ask yourself if making the table
  flat is an advantage.  I'd say that most people who own saxophones do
  not worry about flattening their water swollen reed.  Once their reed
  swells to a certain point and doesn't seal any longer on the flat table, they
  will complain, and then get a new reed.  The same person with a concave
  table, will be able to play much longer on the same swollen reed, before the
  seal goes..  They won't have to change reeds so often, and if they are
  smart enough to make the connection, they will inevitably come to the
  conclusion that for them, the mouthpiece with the concave table is by far the
  better mouthpiece.  

  

  So, I guess determining which was ultimately better for the merchant would
  depend upon what he was selling, mouthpieces or reeds..

  

  

  

  

  --- On Thu, 8/20/09, STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@cox. net>
  wrote: 
  

  From: STEVE GOODSON <saxgourmet@cox. net>

  Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Suction groove in the table

  To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com

  Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 5:05 PM 
  
     
  
  
  I was speaking to some friends in Asia who manufacture
  mouthpieces (you gotta love Skype!) and the subject of leaving a depression
  in the middle of the table to act as a sort of “suction cup” to pull the reed
  down and bind it to the table came up. I’ve noticed this on some mouthpieces.
  We manufacture ours with the table as flat as humanly possible, but I’m
  always open to a “better way”……does anybody wish to sell me on this idea? 
    
  STEVE GOODSON 
  SAXOPHONE DESIGNER TO THE STARS 
    
  our products are ALL rated  
    
   
    
  PLEASE VISIT MY WEBSITES

  http://www.nationof music.com/ (retail sales and discussion
  forum)

  http://launch. groups.yahoo.
  com/group/ SaxophoneRepair/  (discussion group)

  http://www.saxgourm et.com/  (saxophone history and
  information)

  http://saxophonetho ughts.blogspot. com/ 
  (my personal saxophone blog) 
    
  READ MY ARTICLES ON SAXOPHONE DESIGN IN
  EACH ISSUE OF THE SAXOPHONE JOURNAL

  The Music Business is a cruel
  and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves 
  BASIC SHOP RATE........ ........$
  100/HR 
  IF YOU WATCH....... ..........
  .....$125/ HR 
  IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS... ...$150/HR 
  IF I HAVE TO LISTEN TO A CONCERT  
  LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES WHEN 
  YOU PICK UP YOUR HORN....$250/ HR 
    
  The Music Business is a cruel and shallow
  money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and
  good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Hunter S.
  Thompson 
    
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