Mouthpiece Work / HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
FROM: jimmitch47 (jimmitch47)
SUBJECT: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
I have read pro refacers saying refacing is so hard that people should not even try it.To me that is like saying playing is to hard so why even start.I never worked on a sax before but with the help of Steve Goodsons DVD on repair, I have overhauled my 5 digit Mark VI tenor. That now plays better then I could ever have hoped.I learned refacing from this site and I can do wonders on my own mouthpieces.I'm wondering how all of you feel about beginning refacers? Do you think it's to hard for most people to learn? Jim
FROM: tenorman1952 (tenorman1952)
SUBJECT: Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "jimmitch47" <jimmitch47@...> wrote: > > I have read pro refacers saying refacing is so hard that people should > not even try it. I disagree. It is perhaps difficult for some to learn. It requires good hand skills, a machinist's eye and mind, AND enough playing skill to know how the work affects the player. But it can be learned. Paul Coats
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN?
Many players and refacers will advise against working on your own #1 mouthpiece because refacing is hard to learn. This is a warning for person who is thinking about working on their mouthpiece without going through the steps needed to learn the craft.
If you do not practice working on some blanks and junk mouthpieces first, your risk goes way up that you will do damage instead of good.
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, jimmitch47 <jimmitch47@...> wrote:
From: jimmitch47 <jimmitch47@...>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
To: MouthpieceWork@...m
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:39 PM
I have read pro refacers saying refacing is so hard that people should
not even try it.To me that is like saying playing is to hard so why
even start.I never worked on a sax before but with the help of Steve
Goodsons DVD on repair, I have overhauled my 5 digit Mark VI tenor.
That now plays better then I could ever have hoped.I learned refacing
from this site and I can do wonders on my own mouthpieces. I'm wondering
how all of you feel about beginning refacers? Do you think it's to hard
for most people to learn? Jim
FROM: jimmitch47 (jimmitch47)
SUBJECT: Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN?
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
wrote:
>
> Many players and refacers will advise against working on your own #1
mouthpiece because refacing is hard to learn. This is a warning for
person who is thinking about working on their mouthpiece without going
through the steps needed to learn the craft.
>
> If you do not practice working on some blanks and junk mouthpieces
first, your risk goes way up that you will do damage instead of good.
>
>From
Jimmitch
> For sure Keith that was the first thing I learned. Even if you know
nothing you should know better then to start on your good
pieces.
Jim
FROM: zoot51 (Bill Hausmann)
SUBJECT: Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
Between watching a guy do facing work one time and what I have learned here, I have been able to salvage several mouthpieces from the trash bin a tweak others to play better. I wish I had more data about facing curves, though. I have relatively good info on Link tenor facings, courtesy of this group, but for anything else I pretty much have to copy existing mouthpieces in my collection.
One of my biggest successes was for a guy who had developed a habit of using a pocket knife to pull his reed up from the facing of his Lakey tenor piece. He had made HUGE gouges in the rails. I ground down the table and started from there to completely re-do the facing. He was apparently satisfied, since he is still using the mouthpiece!
Didn't I buy my facing glass and feeler guages from you?
Bill Hausmann
If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, jimmitch47 <jimmitch47@...> wrote:
From: jimmitch47 <jimmitch47@...>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:39 PM
I have read pro refacers saying refacing is so hard that people should
not even try it.To me that is like saying playing is to hard so why
even start.I never worked on a sax before but with the help of Steve
Goodsons DVD on repair, I have overhauled my 5 digit Mark VI tenor.
That now plays better then I could ever have hoped.I learned refacing
from this site and I can do wonders on my own mouthpieces.I'm wondering
how all of you feel about beginning refacers? Do you think it's to hard
for most people to learn? Jim
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FROM: flemingml2000 (flemingml2000)
SUBJECT: Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
Based on other skills I have learned, I would say that it is about as difficult as learning to sharpen a chainsaw. I'm not sure how much that helps, but I think that it's accurate. Little improvements are easy. Perfection is subjective and therefore probably impossible. Mark
FROM: jimmitch47 (jimmitch47)
SUBJECT: Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
> Didn't I buy my facing glass and feeler guages from you?
>
> Bill Hausmann
>
>From
Jimmitch
>I think you did Bill Thanks.The point I'm trying to make is I have
been selling refacing tools sense 2006.I have 146 pos feedback from
buyers on ebay most from beginners.I just want to make sure that my
claim that refacing is rewarding work that anyone can learn is true.In
all that time I only had one buyer who said it was to hard and wanted a
refund.I had no problem giving him a refund.I have never told people to
reface for other people that should be left to the pros.I just think
that when a person refaces his own mouthpiece and get it to play better
that is a great feeling.Yes you will kill some mouthpieces when you
start.But in the end if you stick to it you can become pretty good at
it. Jim
FROM: zoot51 (Bill Hausmann)
SUBJECT: Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
I figured I was on pretty safe ground, since the piece was SO trashed I could not help but improve it. The owner told me that if he didn't like it I could keep it, but he took it. I have also brought an Otto Link metal tenor mouthpiece from a state where I referred to it as "the doorstop" (as in gold-plated brass doorstop) to where it is currently my number 2 mouthpiece and, with a little more work in the baffle area, it might move up.
Bill Hausmann
If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
--- On Sun, 2/22/09, jimmitch47 <jimmitch47@...> wrote:
From: jimmitch47 <jimmitch47@...>
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: HOW HARD IS REFACING TO LEARN
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 3:04 PM
> Didn't I buy my facing glass and feeler guages from you?
>
> Bill Hausmann
>
>From
Jimmitch
>I think you did Bill Thanks.The point I'm trying to make is I have
been selling refacing tools sense 2006.I have 146 pos feedback from
buyers on ebay most from beginners.I just want to make sure that my
claim that refacing is rewarding work that anyone can learn is true.In
all that time I only had one buyer who said it was to hard and wanted a
refund.I had no problem giving him a refund.I have never told people to
reface for other people that should be left to the pros.I just think
that when a person refaces his own mouthpiece and get it to play better
that is a great feeling.Yes you will kill some mouthpieces when you
start.But in the end if you stick to it you can become pretty good at
it. Jim
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