Mouthpiece Work / Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
FROM: railwayreed (railwayreed)
SUBJECT: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
missing.

I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 

Thanks

Helge
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
Selmer F tip opening is .057", which is 1.45 mm.
   
  I have no idea what Selmer's facing length is supposed to be.  Their mouthpieces are not consistent.  But I would suggest 
   
  17 mm (34 on E Brand) for the .0015" feeler (0.04 mm)
  12 mm (24 on E Brand) for the .010" feeler  (0.25 mm) 
   
  and a radial curve on to the tip.
   
  Paul
   
  

<helgsolv@...> wrote:
          Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
missing.

I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 

Thanks

Helge



                         


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FROM: railwayreed (Helge Solvang)
SUBJECT: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
Thanks a lot for the measurements Paul, very helpful. Now I’m able to do the
job.

 

Best Helge

 

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Emne: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece

 

Selmer F tip opening is .057", which is 1.45 mm.

 

I have no idea what Selmer's facing length is supposed to be.  Their
mouthpieces are not consistent.  But I would suggest 

 

17 mm (34 on E Brand) for the .0015" feeler (0.04 mm)

12 mm (24 on E Brand) for the .010" feeler  (0.25 mm) 

 

and a radial curve on to the tip.

 

Paul

 



<helgsolv@...> wrote:

Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
missing.

I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 

Thanks

Helge




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FROM: keith29236 (Edward McLean)
SUBJECT: Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "railwayreed" <helgsolv@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
> facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
> Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
> mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
> missing.
> 
> I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Helge
>
My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)
Eddie.
FROM: railwayreed (Helge Solvang)
SUBJECT: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
Thanks Eddie, -  do you have the measurements  for this length?

 

Best Helge

 

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Sendt: 15. februar 2008 12:05
Til: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece

 

--- In MouthpieceWork@ <mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "railwayreed" <helgsolv@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
> facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
> Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
> mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
> missing.
> 
> I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Helge
>
My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)
Eddie.
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
Helge, for a 20 mm facing, the first feeler .0015" (0.04 mm) would be 20 mm from the tip.
   
  The next feeler, 0.010" (0.25 mm) would be 15 mm from the tip.  
   
  The rest would be a radial curve to the .057" (1.45 mm) tip opening.
   
  Paul

Helge Solvang <helgsolv@...> wrote:
              Thanks Eddie, -  do you have the measurements  for this length?
  
  Best Helge
  
      
---------------------------------
  
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Sendt: 15. februar 2008 12:05
Til: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece

  
        --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "railwayreed" <helgsolv@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
> facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
> Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
> mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
> missing.
> 
> I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Helge
>
My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)
Eddie.

  



  

                         


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FROM: railwayreed (Helge Solvang)
SUBJECT: SV: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
Thanks again, Paul !

 

Helge

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Sendt: 15. februar 2008 15:11
Til: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece

 

Helge, for a 20 mm facing, the first feeler .0015" (0.04 mm) would be 20 mm
from the tip.

 

The next feeler, 0.010" (0.25 mm) would be 15 mm from the tip.  

 

The rest would be a radial curve to the .057" (1.45 mm) tip opening.

 

Paul

Helge Solvang <helgsolv@...> wrote:

Thanks Eddie, -  do you have the measurements  for this length?

Best Helge



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Emne: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece

--- In MouthpieceWork@ <mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "railwayreed" <helgsolv@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
> facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
> Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
> mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
> missing.
> 
> I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Helge
>
My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)
Eddie.




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FROM: dantorosian (Dan Torosian)
SUBJECT: Re: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Paul,  
  
This is interesting - a completely radial curve with a .057" tip and a .010
reading of 30 (15mm) would continue on to a .0015 reading of 42.6 (21.3mm).
Following a suggestion of yours, I have often gone for a radial facing on
alto, tenor, and bari pieces, and then _lengthened_ the "back" end (.0015 and
.005 feelers). This soprano facing schedule would have a _shorter_.0015
reading than radial (40 vs 42.6). Is this a facing schedule that you have just
found works well empirically, or is there some general principle behind this
shorter back-end for a soprano facing?  
  
Dan T  
  
Paul C. wrote:

> Helge, for a 20 mm facing, the first feeler .0015" (0.04 mm) would be 20 mm
> from the tip.
>
> The next feeler, 0.010" (0.25 mm) would be 15 mm from the tip.
>
> The rest would be a radial curve to the .057" (1.45 mm) tip opening.
>
> Paul  
>  
>  **_Helge Solvang no>_** wrote:
>

>> Thanks Eddie, - do you have the measurements for this length?

>>

>> Best Helge

>>

>> * * *

>>

>> **Fra:** MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
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Edward McLean  
>  **Sendt:** 15\\. februar 2008 12:05  
>  **Til:** MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com  
>  **Emne:** [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
>>

>> \\--- In
[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com),
"railwayreed" .> wrote:  
>  >  
>  > Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the  
>  > facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a  
>  > Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the  
>  > mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is  
>  > missing.  
>  >  
>  > I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here.  
>  >  
>  > Thanks  
>  >  
>  > Helge  
>  >  
>  My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)  
>  Eddie.
>
>  
>  
>  
>  Link to Paul's articles from Main page of "Saxgourmet":  
>  et.com  
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>  .com  
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>
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
No, did not work it out mathematically.  Just that a difference of 5 mm, that is, 10 on the E. Brand gauge, between the first two feelers works out pretty good in most cases.
   
  Paul

Dan Torosian <dtorosian@...> wrote:
          Paul,

This is interesting - a completely radial curve with a .057" tip and a .010 reading of 30 (15mm) would continue on to a .0015 reading of 42.6 (21.3mm).  Following a suggestion of yours, I have often gone for a radial facing on alto, tenor, and bari pieces, and then lengthened the "back" end (.0015 and .005 feelers).  This soprano facing schedule would have a shorter .0015 reading than radial (40 vs 42.6).  Is this a facing schedule that you have just found works well empirically, or is there some general principle behind this shorter back-end for a soprano facing?

Dan T

Paul C. wrote:       Helge, for a 20 mm facing, the first feeler .0015" (0.04 mm) would be 20 mm from the tip.
   
  The next feeler, 0.010" (0.25 mm) would be 15 mm from the tip.  
   
  The rest would be a radial curve to the .057" (1.45 mm) tip opening.
   
  Paul

Helge Solvang <helgsolv@...> wrote:
          Thanks Eddie, -  do you have the measurements  for this length?
  
  Best Helge
  
      
---------------------------------
  
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Emne: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece

  
        --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "railwayreed" <helgsolv@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
> facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
> Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
> mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
> missing.
> 
> I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Helge
>
My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)
Eddie.

  








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FROM: dantorosian (Dan Torosian)
SUBJECT: Re: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Thanks, Paul. I have a good handle on the radial curve concept and I'm
beginning to get interested in what happens when you change it. I found that
several mouthpieces that played very well but didn't appear to have a radial
curve were actually radial (or very close) for most of the curve (usually from
the tip back to the .010 feeler or so).  
  
Dan T  
  
Paul C. wrote:

> No, did not work it out mathematically. Just that a difference of 5 mm, that
> is, 10 on the E. Brand gauge, between the first two feelers works out pretty
> good in most cases.
>
> Paul  
>  
>  **_Dan Torosian.net>_** wrote:
>

>> Paul,  
>  
>  This is interesting - a completely radial curve with a .057" tip and a .010
> reading of 30 (15mm) would continue on to a .0015 reading of 42.6 (21.3mm).
> Following a suggestion of yours, I have often gone for a radial facing on
> alto, tenor, and bari pieces, and then _lengthened_ the "back" end (.0015
> and .005 feelers). This soprano facing schedule would have a _shorter_.0015
> reading than radial (40 vs 42.6). Is this a facing schedule that you have
> just found works well empirically, or is there some general principle behind
> this shorter back-end for a soprano facing?  
>  
>  Dan T  
>  
>  Paul C. wrote:
>>

>>> Helge, for a 20 mm facing, the first feeler .0015" (0.04 mm) would be 20
mm from the tip.

>>>

>>> The next feeler, 0.010" (0.25 mm) would be 15 mm from the tip.

>>>

>>> The rest would be a radial curve to the .057" (1.45 mm) tip opening.

>>>

>>> Paul  
>  
>  **_Helge Solvang no>_** wrote:
>>>

>>>> Thanks Eddie, - do you have the measurements for this length?

>>>>

>>>> Best Helge

>>>>

>>>> * * *

>>>>

>>>> **Fra:** MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
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Edward McLean  
>  **Sendt:** 15\\. februar 2008 12:05  
>  **Til:** MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com  
>  **Emne:** [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
>>>>

>>>> \\--- In
[MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com](mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com),
"railwayreed" .> wrote:  
>  >  
>  > Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the  
>  > facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a  
>  > Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the  
>  > mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is  
>  > missing.  
>  >  
>  > I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here.  
>  >  
>  > Thanks  
>  >  
>  > Helge  
>  >  
>  My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)  
>  Eddie.
>>>

>>>  
>  
>  
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>>>

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>>>

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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
With a radial curve there is no sudden change the reed must comply with as it closes.  It smoothly wraps around the curve.  
   
  Of course, this makes more of a difference the larger the tip opening, such as used with saxophones.  
   
  Clarinets, with much closer tip openings, seem to work OK with some pretty angular facings, where the facing is really just an angle to the table, with a little radius at the break.  Since the reed does not have to deflect very far to close, this can work for clarinet.
   
  For such a facing, with "kinks" to have to wrap around, to work for saxophone the reed has to be very compliant, or soft, to do that.
   
  Deviating from that radial curve at the break, which is seen as lengthening the first two feeler readings, acts as an "easement" into the curve and often improves the low end response without harming the high end.
   
  Paul
  
Dan Torosian <dtorosian@...> wrote:
          Thanks, Paul.  I have a good handle on the radial curve concept and I'm beginning to get interested in what happens when you change it.  I found that several mouthpieces that played very well but didn't appear to have a radial curve were actually radial (or very close) for most of the curve (usually from the tip back to the .010 feeler or so).

Dan T

Paul C. wrote:       No, did not work it out mathematically.  Just that a difference of 5 mm, that is, 10 on the E. Brand gauge, between the first two feelers works out pretty good in most cases.
   
  Paul

Dan Torosian <dtorosian@...> wrote:
      Paul,

This is interesting - a completely radial curve with a .057" tip and a .010 reading of 30 (15mm) would continue on to a .0015 reading of 42.6 (21.3mm).  Following a suggestion of yours, I have often gone for a radial facing on alto, tenor, and bari pieces, and then lengthened the "back" end (.0015 and .005 feelers).  This soprano facing schedule would have a shorter .0015 reading than radial (40 vs 42.6).  Is this a facing schedule that you have just found works well empirically, or is there some general principle behind this shorter back-end for a soprano facing?

Dan T

Paul C. wrote:       Helge, for a 20 mm facing, the first feeler .0015" (0.04 mm) would be 20 mm from the tip.
   
  The next feeler, 0.010" (0.25 mm) would be 15 mm from the tip.  
   
  The rest would be a radial curve to the .057" (1.45 mm) tip opening.
   
  Paul

Helge Solvang <helgsolv@...> wrote:
          Thanks Eddie, -  do you have the measurements  for this length?
  
  Best Helge
  
      
---------------------------------
  
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        --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "railwayreed" <helgsolv@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
> facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
> Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
> mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the F is 
> missing.
> 
> I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Helge
>
My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)
Eddie.

  








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FROM: andrewhdonaldson (andrewhdonaldson)
SUBJECT: SV: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
Another curve that works well on soprano (and alto) for me is the
elliptical curve with a ratio of around 4.5.  I got this idea from a
Vandoren alto piece I measured some time back, and some comments Keith
B made.  This geometry provides what Paul describes below: an easing
of the low notes because the curve starts off more gradual than a
radial curve.  It also provides a bit more resistance and "hold" for
the palm key notes and improves intonation overall, since the curve is
a little steeper just before it gets to the tip.  There is a
spreadsheet I posted in the Files section that allows you to calculate
the curve.  Worth a try.

Regards,
Andrew


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Paul C." <tenorman1952@...> wrote:
>
> With a radial curve there is no sudden change the reed must comply
with as it closes.  It smoothly wraps around the curve.  
>    
>   Of course, this makes more of a difference the larger the tip
opening, such as used with saxophones.  
>    
>   Clarinets, with much closer tip openings, seem to work OK with
some pretty angular facings, where the facing is really just an angle
to the table, with a little radius at the break.  Since the reed does
not have to deflect very far to close, this can work for clarinet.
>    
>   For such a facing, with "kinks" to have to wrap around, to work
for saxophone the reed has to be very compliant, or soft, to do that.
>    
>   Deviating from that radial curve at the break, which is seen as
lengthening the first two feeler readings, acts as an "easement" into
the curve and often improves the low end response without harming the
high end.
>    
>   Paul
>   
> Dan Torosian <dtorosian@...> wrote:
>           Thanks, Paul.  I have a good handle on the radial curve
concept and I'm beginning to get interested in what happens when you
change it.  I found that several mouthpieces that played very well but
didn't appear to have a radial curve were actually radial (or very
close) for most of the curve (usually from the tip back to the .010
feeler or so).
> 
> Dan T
> 
> Paul C. wrote:       No, did not work it out mathematically.  Just
that a difference of 5 mm, that is, 10 on the E. Brand gauge, between
the first two feelers works out pretty good in most cases.
>    
>   Paul
> 
> Dan Torosian <dtorosian@...> wrote:
>       Paul,
> 
> This is interesting - a completely radial curve with a .057" tip and
a .010 reading of 30 (15mm) would continue on to a .0015 reading of
42.6 (21.3mm).  Following a suggestion of yours, I have often gone for
a radial facing on alto, tenor, and bari pieces, and then lengthened
the "back" end (.0015 and .005 feelers).  This soprano facing schedule
would have a shorter .0015 reading than radial (40 vs 42.6).  Is this
a facing schedule that you have just found works well empirically, or
is there some general principle behind this shorter back-end for a
soprano facing?
> 
> Dan T
> 
> Paul C. wrote:       Helge, for a 20 mm facing, the first feeler
.0015" (0.04 mm) would be 20 mm from the tip.
>    
>   The next feeler, 0.010" (0.25 mm) would be 15 mm from the tip.  
>    
>   The rest would be a radial curve to the .057" (1.45 mm) tip opening.
>    
>   Paul
> 
> Helge Solvang <helgsolv@...> wrote:
>           Thanks Eddie, -  do you have the measurements  for this
length?
>   
>   Best Helge
>   
>       
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>   
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> Sendt: 15. februar 2008 12:05
> Til: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece
> 
>   
>         --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "railwayreed"
<helgsolv@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anybody in this group that have the measurments on the 
> > facingcurve for a Selmer Soloist F sop mouthpiece? I have got a 
> > Selmer G from a musician and he wants it down to an F. From the 
> > mouthpiece group I have the measurements on the D,E and G, but the
F is 
> > missing.
> > 
> > I'll be very happy if there is someone who can help me here. 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Helge
> >
> My charts from 1987 say Selmer Soprano 'F' = 57 tip - 787 length (20mm)
> Eddie.
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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FROM: bowaterd (David Bowater)
SUBJECT: Morgan Vintage 8
> Hi.
I recently bought a Morgan Vintage mouthpiece for Tenor off eBay. It  
has a pleasing tone when played at low to medium levels but as soon  
as it's pushed petty hard it becomes quite thin, bright and nasal  
around low "E".
What should I do to the mouthpiece to improve this? The mouthpiece  
has a Link style roll over.

Regards,
David

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FROM: emanuelerag (emanuele raganato)
SUBJECT: Re: Morgan Vintage 8
Of course it's a problem of the shape of the curve,
near the U
--- David Bowater <davebow@...> ha
scritto:

> > Hi.
> I recently bought a Morgan Vintage mouthpiece for
> Tenor off eBay. It  
> has a pleasing tone when played at low to medium
> levels but as soon  
> as it's pushed petty hard it becomes quite thin,
> bright and nasal  
> around low "E".
> What should I do to the mouthpiece to improve this?
> The mouthpiece  
> has a Link style roll over.
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
> I
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FROM: keith29236 (Edward McLean)
SUBJECT: Re: Morgan Vintage 8
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, emanuele raganato
<emanuelerag@...> wrote:
>
> Of course it's a problem of the shape of the curve,
> near the U
> --- David Bowater <davebow@...> ha
> scritto:
> 
> > > Hi.
> > I recently bought a Morgan Vintage mouthpiece for
> > Tenor off eBay. It  
> > has a pleasing tone when played at low to medium
> > levels but as soon  
> > as it's pushed petty hard it becomes quite thin,
> > bright and nasal  
> > around low "E".
> > What should I do to the mouthpiece to improve this?
> > The mouthpiece  
> > has a Link style roll over.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > David
> > 
> > I
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> > >Can you expand a little Emanuele. What is wrong with the shape of
the curve and what do mean by  'near the U '      Eddie  
> > 
> > 
> 
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FROM: emanuelerag (emanuele raganato)
SUBJECT: Re: Morgan Vintage 8
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FROM: moeaaron (Barry Levine)
SUBJECT: Re: Morgan Vintage 8
I think Keith's recennt posting may apply to this 
mouthpiece question: 

"When I gun sight along the baffle from the tip, I like to 
be able to see at least 1/2 of the bore opening. Any 
higher and I feel it chokes off the sound some. Seeing the 
whole bore is a good target."

This is a very nice rule of thumb, by the way, thanks 
Keith.

In other words, the baffle can't be too high just behind 
the tip.

Take a look at last week's postings about forming a tip 
rail: Paul's description about how he adjusts the baffle 
behind the tip rail is especially useful.

If this adjustment is what is required, the improvement is 
quite remarkable, but I've had the unhappy experience of 
hoping to get "a little more" and instead hitting a point 
of diminishing returns.

BL





On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:09:59 +1300
  David Bowater <davebow@...> wrote:
>> Hi.
>I recently bought a Morgan Vintage mouthpiece for Tenor 
>off eBay. It  
>has a pleasing tone when played at low to medium levels 
>but as soon  as it's pushed petty hard it becomes quite 
>thin, bright and nasal  around low "E".
>What should I do to the mouthpiece to improve this? The 
>mouthpiece  has a Link style roll over.
>
>Regards,
>David
>
>I
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>>with Yahoo!  
>> Search.
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>> 
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