FROM: steviewah1 (Steven Lyons)
SUBJECT: Mouthpiece Rails!
I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA.  I have my first mouthpiece in front 
of me and want to make this one similar but the rails seem to be the problem for me.  They 
are very slim and angle out at the tip.  I'm wondering what the suggestions would be for 
trimming down the rails.  I have a dremil on order but it seems to me that this would be 
much to fast for such a delicate job.  Should I consider some files?  If so what brand might be 
in order for this job.  I would appreciate knowing what you do for this task.  Thanks in 
advance.  Steve


FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
--- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:

> I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 

Never hood of it.  What kind of material is it made of?  

Files and sandpaper wrapped around files is a good way to get started. 
Take a look at the photos on my site for some ideas.  Micro-Mark has some
inexpensive file sets but they will not last long on metal mouthpieces.


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FROM: steviewah1 (Steven Lyons)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> 
> --- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 
> 
> Never hood of it.  What kind of material is it made of?  
> 
> Files and sandpaper wrapped around files is a good way to get started. 
> Take a look at the photos on my site for some ideas.  Micro-Mark has some
> inexpensive file sets but they will not last long on metal mouthpieces.
> 
> 
>       
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It is a rubber mouthpiece from France.  Would files work on hard rubber?  Is that the 
standard way that craftsmen work on the inside of the rails?  Are there any alternatives to 
this such as the Dremil?  I appreciate your help.  Steven


FROM: gregwier (Greg Wier)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Just to clarify, Robert Borbeck mouthpieces are hard rubber for  
clarinet.

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury 
<kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> 
> --- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 
> 
> Never hood of it.  What kind of material is it made of?  
> 
> 
> 
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FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
I would strongly suggest not using a Dremel on rubber, since it is very easy on such soft material to make a small slip that will dig a big hole in it. Precision files are the only way to go IMO. You can also use small strips of fine grit sandpaper wrapped around a small (tiny) rod for fine work. 3M makes small sandpaper rolls with adhesive backing, but what I do is to cut a small piece of sandpaper, wrap it around a very fine brush handle and hold it in place. The paper clogs up quite quickly, so it is very easy just to move it slightly to fresh grit when that happens.

HTH

Toby
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven Lyons 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:00 PM
  Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Mouthpiece Rails!


  --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  > --- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
  > 
  > > I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 
  > 
  > Never hood of it. What kind of material is it made of? 
  > 
  > Files and sandpaper wrapped around files is a good way to get started. 
  > Take a look at the photos on my site for some ideas. Micro-Mark has some
  > inexpensive file sets but they will not last long on metal mouthpieces.
  > 
  > 
  > 
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  It is a rubber mouthpiece from France. Would files work on hard rubber? Is that the 
  standard way that craftsmen work on the inside of the rails? Are there any alternatives to 
  this such as the Dremil? I appreciate your help. Steven



   
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
I have had good luck with diamond files on metal mpcs, but then tend to cut a bit rough so you have to be careful and finish with normal files. I don't know about in the US but in Japan precision diamond files in various shapes can be had for about  80 cents each (made in China, of course).

Toby

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Bradbury 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!



  --- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@yahoo.com> wrote:

  > I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 

  Never hood of it. What kind of material is it made of? 

  Files and sandpaper wrapped around files is a good way to get started. 
  Take a look at the photos on my site for some ideas. Micro-Mark has some
  inexpensive file sets but they will not last long on metal mouthpieces.

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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Yes, a wide flat file is the tool to use here.  You can reshape the sides in just seconds.  Then sand lightly with 600 silicon carbide paper, then 800, then 1000.  Finally, after all mouthpiece work is done, as a last step, hand polish with a good grade of plastic polish.
   
  If it is a metal mouthpiece, start with 320 paper, and finish with some metal polish.  Then brush plate and polish the filed area to match.
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
          I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. I have my first mouthpiece in front 
of me and want to make this one similar but the rails seem to be the problem for me. They 
are very slim and angle out at the tip. I'm wondering what the suggestions would be for 
trimming down the rails. I have a dremil on order but it seems to me that this would be 
much to fast for such a delicate job. Should I consider some files? If so what brand might be 
in order for this job. I would appreciate knowing what you do for this task. Thanks in 
advance. Steve



                         


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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Use a wide flat file on the outside.  Use narrower flat files on the inside.  
   
  A dremel tool is not the tool to use here.  You cannot control it that well.  Use files and sandpaper wrapped around files.
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
          --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> 
> --- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 
> 
> Never hood of it. What kind of material is it made of? 
> 
> Files and sandpaper wrapped around files is a good way to get started. 
> Take a look at the photos on my site for some ideas. Micro-Mark has some
> inexpensive file sets but they will not last long on metal mouthpieces.
> 
> 
> 
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It is a rubber mouthpiece from France. Would files work on hard rubber? Is that the 
standard way that craftsmen work on the inside of the rails? Are there any alternatives to 
this such as the Dremil? I appreciate your help. Steven



                         


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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Also, clean your files often.  Use a "file card", which is a type of wire brush, to clean the teeth of the file.
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
          --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> 
> --- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 
> 
> Never hood of it. What kind of material is it made of? 
> 
> Files and sandpaper wrapped around files is a good way to get started. 
> Take a look at the photos on my site for some ideas. Micro-Mark has some
> inexpensive file sets but they will not last long on metal mouthpieces.
> 
> 
> 
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It is a rubber mouthpiece from France. Would files work on hard rubber? Is that the 
standard way that craftsmen work on the inside of the rails? Are there any alternatives to 
this such as the Dremil? I appreciate your help. Steven



                         


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FROM: gregwier (Greg Wier)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
I wouldn't entirely rule out using the dremel on rubber, with the 
right attachment for the job, a flex shaft and a gentle careful hand 
and plenty of experience you can save time with a Dremel or my foot 
controlled Foredom drill.

> I would strongly suggest not using a Dremel on rubber.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Toby
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Steven Lyons 
>   To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:00 PM
>   Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
> 
> 
>   --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury 
<kwbradbury@> wrote:
>   >
>   > 
>   > --- Steven Lyons <steviewah1@> wrote:
>   > 
>   > > I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. 
>   > 
>   > Never hood of it. What kind of material is it made of? 
>   > 
>   > Files and sandpaper wrapped around files is a good way to get 
started. 
>   > Take a look at the photos on my site for some ideas. Micro-Mark 
has some
>   > inexpensive file sets but they will not last long on metal 
mouthpieces.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   __________________________________________________________
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>   >
>   It is a rubber mouthpiece from France. Would files work on hard 
rubber? Is that the 
>   standard way that craftsmen work on the inside of the rails? Are 
there any alternatives to 
>   this such as the Dremil? I appreciate your help. Steven
>



FROM: steviewah1 (Steven Lyons)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Is there a certain file and width that you have found best to use?  Is there a good brand?
Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Paul C. <tenorman1952@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:49:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!















  


    
            
Yes, a wide flat file is the tool to use here.  You can reshape the sides in just seconds.  Then sand lightly with 600 silicon carbide paper, then 800, then 1000.  Finally, after all mouthpiece work is done, as a last step, hand polish with a good grade of plastic polish.
   
  If it is a metal mouthpiece, start with 320 paper, and finish with some metal polish.  Then brush plate and polish the filed area to match.
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@yahoo. com> wrote:
     
 I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. I have my first mouthpiece in front 
of me and want to make this one similar but the rails seem to be the problem for me. They 
are very slim and angle out at the tip. I'm wondering what the suggestions would be for 
trimming down the rails. I have a dremil on order but it seems to me that this would be 
much to fast for such a delicate job. Should I consider some files? If so what brand might be 
in order for this job. I would appreciate knowing what you do for this task. Thanks in 
advance. Steve






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FROM: steviewah1 (Steven Lyons)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Additionally, is the file you suggest a wood file, a metal file or something else?  I am doing this on a hard rubber mouthpiece.  Thanks again.  Steven

----- Original Message ----
From: Paul C. <tenorman1952@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:49:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!















  


    
            
Yes, a wide flat file is the tool to use here.  You can reshape the sides in just seconds.  Then sand lightly with 600 silicon carbide paper, then 800, then 1000.  Finally, after all mouthpiece work is done, as a last step, hand polish with a good grade of plastic polish.
   
  If it is a metal mouthpiece, start with 320 paper, and finish with some metal polish.  Then brush plate and polish the filed area to match.
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@yahoo. com> wrote:
     
 I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. I have my first mouthpiece in front 
of me and want to make this one similar but the rails seem to be the problem for me. They 
are very slim and angle out at the tip. I'm wondering what the suggestions would be for 
trimming down the rails. I have a dremil on order but it seems to me that this would be 
much to fast for such a delicate job. Should I consider some files? If so what brand might be 
in order for this job. I would appreciate knowing what you do for this task. Thanks in 
advance. Steve






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           http://briefcase. yahoo.com/ tenorman1952

Paul Coats is the sole US importer of SAXRAX products from 
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
For the outside of the mouthpiece, I use an ordinary flat file, about 5/8" wide.
   
  For the inside, I use a flat file about 1/4" wide from a set from MicroMark.com
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:
              Is there a certain file and width that you have found best to use?  Is there a good brand?
  Steve

  ----- Original Message ----
From: Paul C. <tenorman1952@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:49:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!

    
  Yes, a wide flat file is the tool to use here.  You can reshape the sides in just seconds..  Then sand lightly with 600 silicon carbide paper, then 800, then 1000.  Finally, after all mouthpiece work is done, as a last step, hand polish with a good grade of plastic polish.
   
  If it is a metal mouthpiece, start with 320 paper, and finish with some metal polish..  Then brush plate and polish the filed area to match.
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@yahoo. com> wrote:
      I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. I have my first mouthpiece in front 
of me and want to make this one similar but the rails seem to be the problem for me. They 
are very slim and angle out at the tip. I'm wondering what the suggestions would be for 
trimming down the rails. I have a dremil on order but it seems to me that this would be 
much to fast for such a delicate job. Should I consider some files? If so what brand might be 
in order for this job. I would appreciate knowing what you do for this task. Thanks in 
advance. Steve






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http://www.saxrax. com 
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Metal file

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...> wrote:              Additionally, is the file you suggest a wood file, a metal file or something else?  I am doing this on a hard rubber mouthpiece.  Thanks again.  Steven

  ----- Original Message ----
From: Paul C. <tenorman1952@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:49:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!

    
  Yes, a wide flat file is the tool to use here.  You can reshape the sides in just seconds.  Then sand lightly with 600 silicon carbide paper, then 800, then 1000.  Finally, after all mouthpiece work is done, as a last step, hand polish with a good grade of plastic polish.
   
  If it is a metal mouthpiece, start with 320 paper, and finish with some metal polish.  Then brush plate and polish the filed area to match.
   
  Paul

Steven Lyons <steviewah1@yahoo. com> wrote:
      I have just finished taking the stats on a Borbeck 11 TFA. I have my first mouthpiece in front 
of me and want to make this one similar but the rails seem to be the problem for me. They 
are very slim and angle out at the tip. I'm wondering what the suggestions would be for 
trimming down the rails. I have a dremil on order but it seems to me that this would be 
much to fast for such a delicate job. Should I consider some files? If so what brand might be 
in order for this job. I would appreciate knowing what you do for this task. Thanks in 
advance. Steve






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http://www.saxgourm et.com
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Paul Coats is the sole US importer of SAXRAX products from 
http://www.saxrax. com 
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FROM: moeaaron (Barry Isaac Levine)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!

> From: Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...>
> Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:54:13 -0800 (PST)
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!
> 
> Additionally, is the file you suggest a wood file, a metal file or something
> else?  I am doing this on a hard rubber mouthpiece.  Thanks again.  Steven
> 

I found a reasonably priced ($7.95) set of "riffler files" at
http://www.sciplus.com, item 10955.

These small files have a bend at the ends. Some are flat files with no teeth
on different edges, others are rounded and tapered at the tip. I find them
especially useful for fine adjustments near the tip of the mouthpiece, such
as thinning out the tip rail, and removing baffle just behind the tip rail.
Ok for rubber, plastic, brass, but I don't know about stainless steel

As Paul noted, file teeth get clogged. I found an inexpensive fine wire
brush that looks like a large black toothbrush in my local hardware store
that works well to clean files.

Barry

FROM: steviewah1 (Steven Lyons)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
Thanks Barry!
Steve

----- Original Message ----
From: Barry Isaac Levine <barrylevine@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:44:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!















  


    
            



> From: Steven Lyons <steviewah1@yahoo. com>

> Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:54:13 -0800 (PST)

> To: MouthpieceWork@ yahoogroups. com

> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!

> 

> Additionally, is the file you suggest a wood file, a metal file or something

> else?  I am doing this on a hard rubber mouthpiece.  Thanks again.  Steven

> 



I found a reasonably priced ($7.95) set of "riffler files" at

http://www.sciplus. com, item 10955.



These small files have a bend at the ends. Some are flat files with no teeth

on different edges, others are rounded and tapered at the tip. I find them

especially useful for fine adjustments near the tip of the mouthpiece, such

as thinning out the tip rail, and removing baffle just behind the tip rail.

Ok for rubber, plastic, brass, but I don't know about stainless steel



As Paul noted, file teeth get clogged. I found an inexpensive fine wire

brush that looks like a large black toothbrush in my local hardware store

that works well to clean files.



Barry





    
  

    
    





















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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
This file set is similar to one I have.  I use mostly the one 6th from the left.
   
          Item Number:  33108
   
  http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=33108
   
  The handle I use on my files is plastic, but Micromark has a wood handle that will work well.
   
  Item Number 82649
   
   
  Here is a file card at Micromark similar to the one I use.          Item Number:  70216
   
  http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=70216
   
   
   
  Paul Coats

Barry Isaac Levine <barrylevine@...> wrote:
          

> From: Steven Lyons <steviewah1@...>
> Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:54:13 -0800 (PST)
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Mouthpiece Rails!
> 
> Additionally, is the file you suggest a wood file, a metal file or something
> else? I am doing this on a hard rubber mouthpiece. Thanks again. Steven
> 

I found a reasonably priced ($7.95) set of "riffler files" at
http://www.sciplus.com, item 10955.

These small files have a bend at the ends. Some are flat files with no teeth
on different edges, others are rounded and tapered at the tip. I find them
especially useful for fine adjustments near the tip of the mouthpiece, such
as thinning out the tip rail, and removing baffle just behind the tip rail.
Ok for rubber, plastic, brass, but I don't know about stainless steel

As Paul noted, file teeth get clogged. I found an inexpensive fine wire
brush that looks like a large black toothbrush in my local hardware store
that works well to clean files.

Barry



                         


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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Files
I started out with several file sets from Micro-Mark.  They are economical
and you can learn what file shapes you like best.  If you use them on
metal, they will dull.  As they dull, you can buy replacement sets or
individual files.  

But I decided to get some Valititan needle files.  They are noted by the
yellow tang.  They cost ~8X more, but they last.  I like the half round,
barrette and square files.  http://www.ottofrei.com/store/home.php?cat&5

They also do not seem to load up as much.  I'm not sure why, but the 0 and
00 cuts that I use rarely need to be cleaned with a file card.


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FROM: skygardener1 (skygardener1)
SUBJECT: Re: Mouthpiece Rails!
As far as using a Dremil on mouthpieces, I find them very useful when 
repairing chipped or broken pieces.  I put a lot of epoxy on the 
broken area to be on the safe side and I use the Dremil for the first 
cut to save time.  But for anything other than that, files and 
sandpaper are the best I have found.


FROM: gregwier (Greg Wier)
SUBJECT: Files
Hi Keith:

Where did you get the Otto Frei files?

One of the things that help eliminate deep gouging scratches is to 
grind the sharp points into a smooth round tip on the file. 


FROM: mvprod7991 (Mike Vaccaro)
SUBJECT: Files
I have had very good luck getting high end equipment and especially files from dental supply houses. Those people that make crowns and false teeth have to do very smooth and meticulous work and their tools reflect that. 


Mike Vaccaro
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www.VaccaroAndStevensWoodwinds.Com

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