Hello everyone,
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Johannes Gerber uses for his 
bite plate material?  It looks awfully comfortable (if it is flexible 
enough) and vaguely familiar in some unknown manner. 
E

This seems to be one of the big mysteries as I've asked this a couple
of times before and I never get an answer!  Hopefully somebody will
know what this mystery material is and it's also in Sugal's and the
newer Guardalas although the Guardala is more firm.  It would seem to
be some kind of easily pourable plastic but a friend of mine who is
into boating and marine repairs says it's probably a gel coat resin. 
I dont know, I just hope somebody out there does and will share that
information!

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "drsax2vette" <drsax11@...> 
wrote:
>
> It would seem to be some kind of easily pourable plastic >

The reports that have come my way is that it is a liquid rubber that 
sets in place after being poured.  That is the reason for the bite 
plate area being an enclosed well design. 

There is plenty of room to personalize your mouthpiece with this 
material. You can add sparkles or dye or a trademark under the clear 
rubber.  I think that the earlier Guardalas had a pink epoxy biteplate. 

The Guardala LTs have a clear material that is glued in place.  It may be
pre-poured in a form, but it is not poured in place.  It has a poor fit
height-wise and there is adhesive under it.

Sugals are also glued in place.  His material is only about 1/16" thick. 
It seems like a vinyl but I do not know what it is.

Acrylics are great materials for bite plates.  I use some sheet material
and also a 2-part castable.  The castable is tough to get pour without
bubbles in it.  But it works great otherwise.


       
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This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------By 'acrylic', are you referring to some species of plexiglas?  
  
A quick Google search for "sheet acrylic" yielded these companies (there are
others). Acrylic sheets, rods, forming tools, other plastics, adhesives,
pourable resins, etc.:  
  
[www.delviesplastics.com](http://www.delviesplastics.com)  
[www.ridoutplastics.com/index.html](http://www.ridoutplastics.com/index.html)  
[www.usplastic.com/catalog/default.asp](http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/default.asp)  
  
I'm curious about the casting resins at Delvies. I use dental acrylic \\-
liquid plus powder, horrible fumes, but files and sands very well and is
totally safe to be in your mouth.  
  
DT  
  
Keith Bradbury wrote:

> The Guardala LTs have a clear material that is glued in place. It may be  
>  pre-poured in a form, but it is not poured in place. It has a poor fit  
>  height-wise and there is adhesive under it.  
>  
>  Sugals are also glued in place. His material is only about 1/16" thick.  
>  It seems like a vinyl but I do not know what it is.  
>  
>  Acrylics are great materials for bite plates. I use some sheet material  
>  and also a 2-part castable. The castable is tough to get pour without  
>  bubbles in it. But it works great otherwise.  
>  
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I believe Plexiglass is a polycarbonate plastic.  The castable acrylic I
use is made by 3M.  I think it is "810" but I need to check (I'm on vac
this week).


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Actually, Plexiglas is acrylic.  Poylcarbonate, would be a trade name such as, Lexan.  the great thing about actyulic, is that is one of the easiest plastics to bond.  The neat thing about Polycarbonate id that it isn't as brittle as acrylic and doesn't break as easily.

David

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From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:31:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Comfortable Bite Plate Material









  


    
            I believe Plexiglass is a polycarbonate plastic.  The castable acrylic I

use is made by 3M.  I think it is "810" but I need to check (I'm on vac

this week).



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Most certainly "PLEXIGLASS" (PERSPEX) which is acrylic and suposedly 
safe.
When Johannes started out I advised him to use it as I'm also using the 
stuff. On my mouthpieces I harly ever us glue to fix the plexiglass to 
the mouthpiece , just a tight fit is enough to keep it in place.


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "elavns" <elavns@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Johannes Gerber uses for his 
> bite plate material?  It looks awfully comfortable (if it is flexible 
> enough) and vaguely familiar in some unknown manner. 
> E
>

I have to make a new bit plate on a Sugal SG II tenor. Any sugestions what to use? Of course I would like a blue on, but i don't have to be blue :-)

EgilF.




--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "drsax2vette" <drsax11@...> wrote:
>
> This seems to be one of the big mysteries as I've asked this a couple
> of times before and I never get an answer!  Hopefully somebody will
> know what this mystery material is and it's also in Sugal's and the
> newer Guardalas although the Guardala is more firm.  It would seem to
> be some kind of easily pourable plastic but a friend of mine who is
> into boating and marine repairs says it's probably a gel coat resin. 
> I dont know, I just hope somebody out there does and will share that
> information!
>

There is not much of a "pocket" for a bite plate.  I did one with black DP-310 acrylic.  But it was so thin it came out gray and you could see through it.  It was functional and comfortable.
 
You could look for blue nail acrylic.  Or clear and use blue color powder.  I have not tried these though.

From: EgilF. <egfurre@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Comfortable Bite Plate Material


  
I have to make a new bit plate on a Sugal SG II tenor. Any sugestions what to use? Of course I would like a blue on, but i don't have to be blue :-)

EgilF.

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "drsax2vette" <drsax11@...> wrote:
>
> This seems to be one of the big mysteries as I've asked this a couple
> of times before and I never get an answer! Hopefully somebody will
> know what this mystery material is and it's also in Sugal's and the
> newer Guardalas although the Guardala is more firm. It would seem to
> be some kind of easily pourable plastic but a friend of mine who is
> into boating and marine repairs says it's probably a gel coat resin. 
> I dont know, I just hope somebody out there does and will share that
> information!
>

I found that the acrylic (2-part dental) didn't always adhere very well to
the shallow, polished pocket.  But you can probably get the color you want!
I'm guessing the 3M stuff has more adhesion.

Dan

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> There is not much of a "pocket" for a bite plate.  I did one with black
> DP-310 acrylic.  But it was so thin it came out gray and you could see
> through it.  It was functional and comfortable.
>
> You could look for blue nail acrylic.  Or clear and use blue color
> powder.  I have not tried these though.
>
>  *From:* EgilF. <egfurre@...>
> *To:* MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2011 5:49 PM
> *Subject:* [MouthpieceWork] Re: Comfortable Bite Plate Material
>
>
> I have to make a new bit plate on a Sugal SG II tenor. Any sugestions what
> to use? Of course I would like a blue on, but i don't have to be blue :-)
>
> EgilF.
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "drsax2vette" <drsax11@...> wrote:
> >
> > This seems to be one of the big mysteries as I've asked this a couple
> > of times before and I never get an answer! Hopefully somebody will
> > know what this mystery material is and it's also in Sugal's and the
> > newer Guardalas although the Guardala is more firm. It would seem to
> > be some kind of easily pourable plastic but a friend of mine who is
> > into boating and marine repairs says it's probably a gel coat resin.
> > I dont know, I just hope somebody out there does and will share that
> > information!
> >
>
>
>
>  
>

The DP-310 is actually marketed as an acrylic adhesive.

From: dan torosian <dantorosian@...>
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Comfortable Bite Plate Material


  
I found that the acrylic (2-part dental) didn't always adhere very well to the shallow, polished pocket.  But you can probably get the color you want!  I'm guessing the 3M stuff has more adhesion.

Dan


On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

  
>There is not much of a "pocket" for a bite plate.  I did one with black DP-310 acrylic.  But it was so thin it came out gray and you could see through it.  It was functional and comfortable.
> 
>You could look for blue nail acrylic.  Or clear and use blue color powder.  I have not tried these though.
>
>
>From: EgilF. <egfurre@...>
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 5:49 PM
>Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Comfortable Bite Plate Material
>
>
>  
>I have to make a new bit plate on a Sugal SG II tenor. Any sugestions what to use? Of course I would like a blue on, but i don't have to be blue :-)
>
>EgilF.
>
>--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "drsax2vette" <drsax11@...> wrote:
>>
>> This seems to be one of the big mysteries as I've asked this a couple
>> of times before and I never get an answer! Hopefully somebody will
>> know what this mystery material is and it's also in Sugal's and the
>> newer Guardalas although the Guardala is more firm. It would seem to
>> be some kind of easily pourable plastic but a friend of mine who is
>> into boating and marine repairs says it's probably a gel coat resin. 
>> I dont know, I just hope somebody out there does and will share that
>> information!
>>
>
>
>
>

If you have the tools to mill a plate, pen making suppliers have great 
acrylic blanks that are reasonably priced.  Bear Tooth Woods has the 
biggest selection.  For pour your own acrylic (in colors), 
Woodpenpro.com sells casting sets .  The casting set is pricey, so you'd 
have to believe that it's a job you would perform fairly often to 
justify the cost.

http://www.woodpenpro.com
http://www.beartoothwoods.com

Robert


On 9/16/2011 7:23 PM, Keith Bradbury wrote:
> There is not much of a "pocket" for a bite plate.  I did one with 
> black DP-310 acrylic.  But it was so thin it came out gray and you 
> could see through it.  It was functional and comfortable.
> You could look for blue nail acrylic.  Or clear and use blue color 
> powder.  I have not tried these though.
>
> *From:* EgilF. <egfurre@...>
> *To:* MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2011 5:49 PM
> *Subject:* [MouthpieceWork] Re: Comfortable Bite Plate Material
>
> I have to make a new bit plate on a Sugal SG II tenor. Any sugestions 
> what to use? Of course I would like a blue on, but i don't have to be 
> blue :-)
>
> EgilF.
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:MouthpieceWork%40yahoogroups.com>, "drsax2vette" <drsax11@...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > This seems to be one of the big mysteries as I've asked this a couple
> > of times before and I never get an answer! Hopefully somebody will
> > know what this mystery material is and it's also in Sugal's and the
> > newer Guardalas although the Guardala is more firm. It would seem to
> > be some kind of easily pourable plastic but a friend of mine who is
> > into boating and marine repairs says it's probably a gel coat resin.
> > I dont know, I just hope somebody out there does and will share that
> > information!
> >
>
>
>
>