Mouthpiece Work / Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
FROM: sjrosner (sjrosner)
SUBJECT: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a lathe with
the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the cork) is
too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it down
by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to sand
right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my clarinet.
FROM: remoteav8r (GolfingGuy27@...)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
I am a machinist and there is a tool you can make to do the job you are  
talking about. It's not that complicated but may be hard to describe in typed  
words but I'll give it a shot. You would start out by making a bar from a piece  
of stock that slips easily into the bore of the mouthpiece. Next find a 
machine  screw (the kind with the tapered head to go into a countersink) of a decent 
size  (10-32 maybe and relatively long) and put a countersink in the end of 
the bar  slightly bigger than the head of the screw. Next, drill and tap a hole 
in the  end of the bar for the screw. Then you want to make two cuts in the 
end of the  bar maybe an inch deep 90 degrees from each other making four kind 
of fingers in  the end of the bar with the screw in the middle. When you slip 
the bar into the  mouthpiece and tighten the screw it pushes the fingers 
outward and grabs the  mouthpiece. Then just chuck the bar up in the lathe and go 
to work. Hope this  helps!
 
Todd
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
I have seen a chuck of sorts that inserts into the bore.  It is used by mouthpiece manufacturers and repairmen to rotate the mouthpiece while quickly cutting/sanding the cork to shape.
   
  This MAY allow enough room for you to just cut the rubber.  
   
  I think Ferree's and Allied both have it.
   
  Paul

sjrosner <sjrosner@...> wrote:
          Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a lathe with
the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the cork) is
too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it down
by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to sand
right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my clarinet.



         


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FROM: sjrosner (sjrosner)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
Just to get this straight...you tighten the screw from the tip side of
the mouthpiece? and leave an un-machined section of the bore hanging
out for the machine chuck? Or is it counterbored from one end and then
slotted from the other?
jeff
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Paul C." <tenorman1952@...> wrote:
>
> I have seen a chuck of sorts that inserts into the bore.  It is used
by mouthpiece manufacturers and repairmen to rotate the mouthpiece
while quickly cutting/sanding the cork to shape.
>    
>   This MAY allow enough room for you to just cut the rubber.  
>    
>   I think Ferree's and Allied both have it.
>    
>   Paul
> 
> sjrosner <sjrosner@...> wrote:
>           Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a
lathe with
> the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
> that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the cork) is
> too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it down
> by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to sand
> right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my
clarinet.
> 
> 
> 
>          
> 
> 
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FROM: remoteav8r (GolfingGuy27@...)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
as long as you can get to the screw inside (tip side) of  the  mouthpiece 
it's easiest/simplest to countersink the screw on the same end as the  slots...
FROM: greatstuffmusic (Geoff & Sherryl-Lee Secomb)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
Many of the tool suppliers sell these, and make them for clarinet and bass clarinet. It is call a mouthpiece arbour.
Geoff.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul C. 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe



  I have seen a chuck of sorts that inserts into the bore.  It is used by mouthpiece manufacturers and repairmen to rotate the mouthpiece while quickly cutting/sanding the cork to shape.

  This MAY allow enough room for you to just cut the rubber.  

  I think Ferree's and Allied both have it.

  Paul

  sjrosner <sjrosner@...> wrote:
    Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a lathe with
    the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
    that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the cork) is
    too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it down
    by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to sand
    right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my clarinet.





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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul C.)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
Arbour!  THAT's it, I couldn't think of the name.
   
  Paul

Geoff & Sherryl-Lee Secomb <gsecomb@...> wrote:
            Many of the tool suppliers sell these, and make them for clarinet and bass clarinet. It is call a mouthpiece arbour.
  Geoff.
   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul C. 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
  

      I have seen a chuck of sorts that inserts into the bore.  It is used by mouthpiece manufacturers and repairmen to rotate the mouthpiece while quickly cutting/sanding the cork to shape.
   
  This MAY allow enough room for you to just cut the rubber.  
   
  I think Ferree's and Allied both have it.
   
  Paul

sjrosner <sjrosner@...> wrote:
      Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a lathe with
the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the cork) is
too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it down
by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to sand
right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my clarinet.






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FROM: greatstuffmusic (Geoff & Sherryl-Lee Secomb)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
I should also have added that of the two I own, only one is suitable for lathe use due to lack of trueness of the other.  I have also used a machine lathe but hand turned using a small piece of tool steel ground on an angle diagonally across the corners (an idea picked up from a watchmaking book I used to love looking through) or a watchmakers graver. This has been very effective for removing small amounts in tight places.
Best wishes,
Geoff.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul C. 
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  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe



  Arbour!  THAT's it, I couldn't think of the name.

  Paul

  Geoff & Sherryl-Lee Secomb <gsecomb@myaccess.com.au> wrote:
    Many of the tool suppliers sell these, and make them for clarinet and bass clarinet. It is call a mouthpiece arbour.
    Geoff.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Paul C. 
      To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:59 AM
      Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe


      I have seen a chuck of sorts that inserts into the bore.  It is used by mouthpiece manufacturers and repairmen to rotate the mouthpiece while quickly cutting/sanding the cork to shape.

      This MAY allow enough room for you to just cut the rubber.  

      I think Ferree's and Allied both have it.

      Paul

      sjrosner <sjrosner@...> wrote:
        Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a lathe with
        the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
        that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the cork) is
        too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it down
        by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to sand
        right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my clarinet.





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FROM: merlin_williams_toronto (merlin_williams_toronto)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "sjrosner" <sjrosner@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a lathe with
> the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
> that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the cork) is
> too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it down
> by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to sand
> right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my
clarinet.
>

Like some other posters, we use a mouthpiece arbour for clarinet
mouthpieces in the shop all the time - for recorking. Since we use a
machine lathe, it's quite easy to use a cutter to take down the
diameter of the shank.

This is the same technique I use on tenor and alto mouthpiece to band
them with copper tubing.

I actually use a live centre, reversed in the chuck, and friction fit
the mouthpiece onto it.

Not elegant, but simple and effective.
FROM: sjrosner (sjrosner)
SUBJECT: Re: Chucking mouthpieces in a lathe
I don't quite understand what you do with the live center? Could you 
elaborate, please?
jeff
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "merlin_williams_toronto" 
<fred_bloggs_ca@...> wrote:
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "sjrosner" <sjrosner@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone devised a method for chucking a mouthpiece in a lathe 
with
> > the bore end presented for machining. I have a clarinet mouthpiece
> > that I want to try but the shank (the actual rubber, not the 
cork) is
> > too big to go into my clarinet barrel!!! I could try to sand it 
down
> > by hand (need to take of at least .008") but it's really hard to 
sand
> > right down to the shoulder and don't want it to 'wedge' into my
> clarinet.
> >
> 
> Like some other posters, we use a mouthpiece arbour for clarinet
> mouthpieces in the shop all the time - for recorking. Since we use a
> machine lathe, it's quite easy to use a cutter to take down the
> diameter of the shank.
> 
> This is the same technique I use on tenor and alto mouthpiece to 
band
> them with copper tubing.
> 
> I actually use a live centre, reversed in the chuck, and friction 
fit
> the mouthpiece onto it.
> 
> Not elegant, but simple and effective.
>