Hello everybody,
   
  A prominent sax retailer who seems very well-informed to me gave me some info I'd like to confirm if possible. In a former life I posessed a Selmer Mk VI and always played a Berg 110/2/M on it. Recently, I've gotten back into playing again and thought I'd get a similar Berg and use it. But the sax has changed. I now play a 1972 Buffet SDA. I tried the Berg out on a Selmer and it played fantastic, but found out it was dead when I tried it on the Buffet. The aforementioned sax retailer explained that it was because the Buffet is a larger bore tenor than the Selmer and requires a larger chamber mouthpiece. The bullet chamber Berg has a smallish chamber. I purchased a larger chamber mpc and it works very well on the Buffet. Can you all confirm this: Is this because of the ratio of bore to mpc chamber volume or something else? I haven't done sax bore measurements, but I noticed when I began playing the Buffet that it felt bigger in the hand. I was also told that Keilwerth
 horns are also large-bore. Are there available data on horn bores?
   
  Thanks, JT

 		
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The thing that i have noticed about the size of the sax is that the bigger 
the sax the brighter the mpc you can go with to match better. what i would 
recommend is if you like a berg go with a higher baffle maybe a 110/1 or 
110/0


>From: jeff todd <jdtoddjazz@...>
>Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [MouthpieceWork] connection between chamber volume and sax bore
>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hello everybody,
>
>   A prominent sax retailer who seems very well-informed to me gave me some 
>info I'd like to confirm if possible. In a former life I posessed a Selmer 
>Mk VI and always played a Berg 110/2/M on it. Recently, I've gotten back 
>into playing again and thought I'd get a similar Berg and use it. But the 
>sax has changed. I now play a 1972 Buffet SDA. I tried the Berg out on a 
>Selmer and it played fantastic, but found out it was dead when I tried it 
>on the Buffet. The aforementioned sax retailer explained that it was 
>because the Buffet is a larger bore tenor than the Selmer and requires a 
>larger chamber mouthpiece. The bullet chamber Berg has a smallish chamber. 
>I purchased a larger chamber mpc and it works very well on the Buffet. Can 
>you all confirm this: Is this because of the ratio of bore to mpc chamber 
>volume or something else? I haven't done sax bore measurements, but I 
>noticed when I began playing the Buffet that it felt bigger in the hand. I 
>was also told that Keilwerth
>  horns are also large-bore. Are there available data on horn bores?
>
>   Thanks, JT
>
>
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Hi,

Interesting you should say that. That's precisely the opposite of 
what the retailer in question said. He said a high baffle would be 
the death of this horn. And in fact, I have to agree: of all the 
pieces I have played that have worked on this horn, none of them have 
had a high baffle: all have had lower baffles and larger chambers.

Does anyone have a theoretical understanding of this?

Thanks, JT


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "joe gatlin" <gatlin88@...> 
wrote:
>
> The thing that i have noticed about the size of the sax is that the 
bigger 
> the sax the brighter the mpc you can go with to match better. what 
i would 
> recommend is if you like a berg go with a higher baffle maybe a 
110/1 or 
> 110/0
> 
> 
> >From: jeff todd <jdtoddjazz@...>
> >Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [MouthpieceWork] connection between chamber volume and 
sax bore
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Hello everybody,
> >
> >   A prominent sax retailer who seems very well-informed to me 
gave me some 
> >info I'd like to confirm if possible. In a former life I posessed 
a Selmer 
> >Mk VI and always played a Berg 110/2/M on it. Recently, I've 
gotten back 
> >into playing again and thought I'd get a similar Berg and use it. 
But the 
> >sax has changed. I now play a 1972 Buffet SDA. I tried the Berg 
out on a 
> >Selmer and it played fantastic, but found out it was dead when I 
tried it 
> >on the Buffet. The aforementioned sax retailer explained that it 
was 
> >because the Buffet is a larger bore tenor than the Selmer and 
requires a 
> >larger chamber mouthpiece. The bullet chamber Berg has a smallish 
chamber. 
> >I purchased a larger chamber mpc and it works very well on the 
Buffet. Can 
> >you all confirm this: Is this because of the ratio of bore to mpc 
chamber 
> >volume or something else? I haven't done sax bore measurements, 
but I 
> >noticed when I began playing the Buffet that it felt bigger in the 
hand. I 
> >was also told that Keilwerth
> >  horns are also large-bore. Are there available data on horn 
bores?
> >
> >   Thanks, JT
> >
> >
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Your retailer may be talking about a match for intonation whereas Joe was
saying a dark sax matches well with a bright mouthpiece.  This is a matter
of personal taste in sound.

Or it just could be different experiances.  We all make conclusions based
on our sampling.  Sometimes the sample is just a few sax and mouthpiece
combos.  Or, if it is many over time, we do not accurately compare results
obtained years apart.  Contradictions will exist.  Even in the presence of
theory.

--- jdtoddjazz <jdtoddjazz@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Interesting you should say that. That's precisely the opposite of 
> what the retailer in question said. He said a high baffle would be 
> the death of this horn. And in fact, I have to agree: of all the 
> pieces I have played that have worked on this horn, none of them have 
> had a high baffle: all have had lower baffles and larger chambers.
> 
> Does anyone have a theoretical understanding of this?
> 
> Thanks, JT
> 
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "joe gatlin" <gatlin88@...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > The thing that i have noticed about the size of the sax is that the 
> bigger 
> > the sax the brighter the mpc you can go with to match better. what 
> i would 
> > recommend is if you like a berg go with a higher baffle maybe a 
> 110/1 or 
> > 110/0
> > 


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