Mouthpiece Work / gold plate
FROM: richardsaxross (Richard Sax Ross)
SUBJECT: gold plate
I've been reworking Vandoren V16 mpcs which are gold plated. I don't see any evidence of silver under the gold. If gold wont stick to brass then is "bell brass" a different material? Any ideas? rr
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: gold plate
Someone at Caswell told me that gold will stick to brass. The resulting color is a dark honey instead of a brighter gold as when silver or nickel is used under the gold. I have worked on V16s but I do not recall that there was no silver layer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)
SUBJECT: Re: gold plate
Bell brass has a higher copper content -----Original Message----- From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sax Ross Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:10 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MouthpieceWork] gold plate I've been reworking Vandoren V16 mpcs which are gold plated. I don't see any evidence of silver under the gold. If gold wont stick to brass then is "bell brass" a different material? Any ideas? rr Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Yahoo! Groups Links
FROM: be43moth (martin walker)
SUBJECT: Re: gold plate
Hello Steve,
I was involved in a project recently where I was asked to gold plate a mark VI tenor (not my decision to do this). I looked into various methods of plating and received a number of porfessional opinions. The result was that although it is better to plate gold over silver because it does have a better adhesive reaction, it is not essential as gold will quite happily plate straight onto brass. The key to this is of course to make sure the brass is throughly clean, making sure any chemical deposits from cleaning are removed and also to be absolutely sure that the plating tanks are free from any sort of contanimation. Also, once the brass is prepared ready for plating it must be bagged immdeiately to prevent air getting to it and oxidising. I used a company in Watford www.fhlambert.co.uk You can try talking to these guys, ask to speak to Frank Lambert. It is a nightmare getting real accurate advice on this kind of area. I apoligise if I'm going over stuff that you already know
Regards
Martin
STEVE GOODSON <steveg@...> wrote:
Bell brass has a higher copper content
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Subject: [MouthpieceWork] gold plate
I've been reworking Vandoren V16 mpcs which are gold plated. I don't see any
evidence of silver under the gold. If gold wont stick to brass then is "bell
brass" a different material? Any ideas? rr
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FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)
SUBJECT: Re: gold plate
all of the plating jobs done by my shop are three part: copper over the brass, then silver over copper, the gold over the silver. If this procedure is followed, the gold is on TO STAY!! OUR NEW ONLINE STORE IS NOW OPEN <http://www.nationofmusic.com/ecommerce/> http://www.nationofmusic.com/ecommerce/ The Music Business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Hunter S. Thompson Visit my Saxophone Discussion Forum http://www.saxnation.com/forum/ Visit the Sax Repair Discussion Group http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/SaxophoneRepair/ Steve Goodson see our TERMS OF SERVICE at: http://saxgourmet.com/business.html Confidentiality Statement "The information contained in this electronic message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the owner of the email address listed as the recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited." _____ From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of martin walker Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:39 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [MouthpieceWork] gold plate Hello Steve, I was involved in a project recently where I was asked to gold plate a mark VI tenor (not my decision to do this). I looked into various methods of plating and received a number of porfessional opinions. The result was that although it is better to plate gold over silver because it does have a better adhesive reaction, it is not essential as gold will quite happily plate straight onto brass. The key to this is of course to make sure the brass is throughly clean, making sure any chemical deposits from cleaning are removed and also to be absolutely sure that the plating tanks are free from any sort of contanimation. Also, once the brass is prepared ready for plating it must be bagged immdeiately to prevent air getting to it and oxidising. I used a company in Watford www.fhlambert.co.uk You can try talking to these guys, ask to speak to Frank Lambert. It is a nightmare getting real accurate advice on this kind of area. I apoligise if I'm going over stuff that you already know Regards Martin STEVE GOODSON <steveg@...> wrote: Bell brass has a higher copper content -----Original Message----- From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sax Ross Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:10 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MouthpieceWork] gold plate I've been reworking Vandoren V16 mpcs which are gold plated. I don't see any evidence of silver under the gold. If gold wont stick to brass then is "bell brass" a different material? Any ideas? rr Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Yahoo! Groups Links _____ Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/ev t=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com> Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "MouthpieceWork <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____