I would like to learn how to replate metal mouthpieces after a 
refacing. I know there are several materials, kits and techniques 
available. Which one gave you the best results? I really appreciate any 
advice.
Thanks,

Dan

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Caswell Plating is the place to start.  They sell kits specifically for 
small users like us.

Some of our members have had success with nickel plating. 

When you reface a silver plated mouthpiece the silver can be restored 
with a "brush plater".  A brush plater is also good for spot touchups on 
silver plated saxes, on key touches, tops of posts, etc. 

Gold plating, such as on Links, is a very thin flash of gold over silver 
plating.  So, it is necessary to first silver plate,  then apply gold.  
This can all be done with brush plating kits.  Some kits actually have a 
small brush, others use a gauze swab. 

But Caswell is the place to start.

Paul

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> I would like to learn how to replate metal mouthpieces after a
> refacing. I know there are several materials, kits and techniques
> available. Which one gave you the best results? I really appreciate any
> advice.
> Thanks,
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> Dan
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Dan

>  So, it is necessary to first silver plate,  then apply gold.  

It is also common to Nickel plate then Gold plate.

I have dabbled in plating but not lately.  See the photos section on 
the Yahoo MouthpieceWork site.

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury" 
<kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> >  So, it is necessary to first silver plate,  then apply gold.  
> 
> It is also common to Nickel plate then Gold plate.
> 
> I have dabbled in plating but not lately.  See the photos section on 
> the Yahoo MouthpieceWork site.
>

I saw the photos, they are very informative.
thanks Keith

--- lcchtt <Letydan@...> wrote:
> I saw the photos, they are very informative.
> thanks Keith
> 

As you saw there are some brush plating photos.  There are also some photos
in the eMachineShop folder showing the results of my own Nickel plating.  I
used an electroless Nickel plating kit from Caswell.

The key to the process is to get the bath hot enough.  The heaters Caswell
supplied me were substitutes that were barely adequate.  I had to insulate
the bath bucket by wrapping it with a blanket and use a lab thermometer to
get up to temperature. Then the next milestone is to start the plating
reaction.  You need to touch the brass with a piece of steel for a couple
minutes to make sure the plating gets started.  I used a coat hanger wire
with the paint sanded off.

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Does it work better than the other methods?

Dan

Electroless Nickel plating applies a thicker layer on the mouthpiece 
than I can get with Brush Plating.  So in that way it is better.  I 
have not personally compered it to any other processes.  It appears 
you can not plate Silver or Gold via the electroless process.

> Electroless Nickel plating applies a thicker layer on the mouthpiece 
> than I can get with Brush Plating.  So in that way it is better.  I
> have not personally compered it to any other processes.  It appears
> you can not plate Silver or Gold via the electroless process.


It is worth mentioning that nickel is a well-known contact allergen.  I've
known people who cannot, for example, wear inexpensive ear-rings, because
the posts are nickel plated.

This should be a consideration for anyone thinking about plating a
mouthpiece in nickel.

As a side note, Google shows 67,900 items for "nickel allergy" vs. 234 for
"silver allergy".

Barry

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> >
>>     Electroless Nickel plating applies a thicker layer on the mouthpiece

>>     than I can get with Brush Plating. So in that way it is better. I have
not

>>     personally compered it to any other processes. It appears you can not
plate

>>     Silver or Gold via the electroless process.

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> ear-
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Dear Members,

I inherited a Guy Hawkins #7 metal mpc with my Selmer Series II 55A
Bari Sax.  In the beginning, I felt the mpc was unsuitable until I
had some adjustments made on the sax.  It plays so much better, I
think I don't really need to look at at Berg Larsen.  To my 
understand-
ing this mpc is a 115.  Have no idea of, I believe, chamber as 
Larsens have sizes of 0,1,2, & 3.  Does anyone have any idea.  Any-
way, the cork is too small so I imagine when it's replaced the horn
will sing (fingers crossed).

A question is chipping/flaking does appear at the tip.  I happened
to use a tooth cushion for a hard rubber and when I peeled it off -
off came some of the plating.  The mpc seems to be made of brass with
a chrome, silver or whatever plating.  The is also some peeling under
the tip. The rest of the plating is immaculate. Can/will this mpc 
pose any future problems with this flaking?  

If I was to consider it to be reworked to a Berg Larsen 120/125 2,
is it possible?  What can I expect.  Any suggestions as to other
mpc designs/facings to consider is also appreciated.  Thanks.

Sincerely,
Harry

> A question is chipping/flaking does appear at the tip.  I happened
> to use a tooth cushion for a hard rubber and when I peeled it off -
> off came some of the plating.  The mpc seems to be made of brass with
> a chrome, silver or whatever plating.  The is also some peeling under
> the tip. The rest of the plating is immaculate. Can/will this mpc 
> pose any future problems with this flaking?  

Many players play on metal mouthpieces with some plating missing.  I would
only consider replating if you taste brass and really like the piece.

> 
> If I was to consider it to be reworked to a Berg Larsen 120/125 2,
> is it possible?  What can I expect.  Any suggestions as to other
> mpc designs/facings to consider is also appreciated.  Thanks.
> 

A Berg is not a good mouthpiece to determine a rework target.  A 120 Berg
will usually have a tip opening of .110", but it may be anywhere from .095"
to .130".  So if you played a Berg once that you loved and wanted a similar
piece, you would need to have it measured to figure out what you really liked.


 
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I turn down jobs for refacing stainless steel Bergs.  The stores don't have enough silicon carbide cutting paper, and I don't have enough time left in my life to reface them.
   
  I don't mind working on brass.  Not much harder to do than hard rubber.
   
  The worst metal to work on is the Dukoff "Silverite", which is so soft that just measuring with feelers and glass gauge will damage the table and side rails.
   
  Paul

Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
          
> A question is chipping/flaking does appear at the tip. I happened
> to use a tooth cushion for a hard rubber and when I peeled it off -
> off came some of the plating. The mpc seems to be made of brass with
> a chrome, silver or whatever plating. The is also some peeling under
> the tip. The rest of the plating is immaculate. Can/will this mpc 
> pose any future problems with this flaking? 

Many players play on metal mouthpieces with some plating missing. I would
only consider replating if you taste brass and really like the piece.

> 
> If I was to consider it to be reworked to a Berg Larsen 120/125 2,
> is it possible? What can I expect. Any suggestions as to other
> mpc designs/facings to consider is also appreciated. Thanks.
> 

A Berg is not a good mouthpiece to determine a rework target. A 120 Berg
will usually have a tip opening of .110", but it may be anywhere from .095"
to .130". So if you played a Berg once that you loved and wanted a similar
piece, you would need to have it measured to figure out what you really liked.

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I do tend to taste brass on the Guy Hawkins.  Does it
pose any danger?  What's your price?  Thanks. 
--- "Paul C." <tenorman1952@...> wrote:

> I turn down jobs for refacing stainless steel Bergs.
>  The stores don't have enough silicon carbide
> cutting paper, and I don't have enough time left in
> my life to reface them.
>    
>   I don't mind working on brass.  Not much harder to
> do than hard rubber.
>    
>   The worst metal to work on is the Dukoff
> "Silverite", which is so soft that just measuring
> with feelers and glass gauge will damage the table
> and side rails.
>    
>   Paul
> 
> Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>           
> > A question is chipping/flaking does appear at the
> tip. I happened
> > to use a tooth cushion for a hard rubber and when
> I peeled it off -
> > off came some of the plating. The mpc seems to be
> made of brass with
> > a chrome, silver or whatever plating. The is also
> some peeling under
> > the tip. The rest of the plating is immaculate.
> Can/will this mpc 
> > pose any future problems with this flaking? 
> 
> Many players play on metal mouthpieces with some
> plating missing. I would
> only consider replating if you taste brass and
> really like the piece.
> 
> > 
> > If I was to consider it to be reworked to a Berg
> Larsen 120/125 2,
> > is it possible? What can I expect. Any suggestions
> as to other
> > mpc designs/facings to consider is also
> appreciated. Thanks.
> > 
> 
> A Berg is not a good mouthpiece to determine a
> rework target. A 120 Berg
> will usually have a tip opening of .110", but it may
> be anywhere from .095"
> to .130". So if you played a Berg once that you
> loved and wanted a similar
> piece, you would need to have it measured to figure
> out what you really liked.
> 
>
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> I do tend to taste brass on the Guy Hawkins.  Does it
> pose any danger?  What's your price?  Thanks. 

I consider tasting brass annoying.  You may have a higher tolerance than I
do.  After a long gig, my next meal did not taste right.

But it is not dangerous for most people.  If you are alergic to brass, I'm
told you will feel a tingle in your lips after a short while.  There is no
such thing as brass poisoning.  Some brass has lead in it.  I would hope
mouthpiece makers use lead-free brass.  Makers of water fittings do.

You can contact me privately to discuss my plating rates.  I do very little
of it and there should be others who can do it cheaper.  A lot of the cost
is in the prepartion work.  If you do all the prep work you may be able to
find someone who plates for as little as $10 a mouthpiece.



 
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