Mouthpiece Work / hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
FROM: dcb_76 (dcb_76)
SUBJECT: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
First, "Hello" from a new member (joined last week). Second, you guys
have made a huge difference in my enjoyment of the sax as I already
refaced a mouthpiece, and I'm totally juiced about having a decent
piece for maybe the first time ever.
I refaced a new (virtually non-playing from the distrubutor) link 6 to
have a 25 mm facing, with a tip of 2 mm opening. The ideal radial
curve measurements are here, measured from the tip to the end of the
curve, and my actual values are within a reasonable margin of error:
mm frm tip mm gap inch/1000
0 2.000 0.000 0.078
1 1.842 0.039 0.072
2 1.691 0.078 0.066
3 1.547 0.117 0.060
4 1.409 0.156 0.055
5 1.277 0.195 0.050
6 1.152 0.234 0.045
7 1.034 0.273 0.040
8 0.922 0.312 0.036
9 0.816 0.351 0.032
10 0.717 0.390 0.028
11 0.624 0.429 0.024
12 0.538 0.468 0.021
13 0.459 0.507 0.018
14 0.385 0.546 0.015
15 0.318 0.585 0.012
16 0.258 0.624 0.010
18 0.156 0.702 0.006
20 0.080 0.780 0.003
25 0.000 0.975 0.000
Can anyone suggest adjustments to get the low notes speaking easier,
or to reduce minor chirping I'm getting w/ Vandoren Classic reeds?
I've placed a copy of the program I wrote to generate the chart above
in the files section. If you can run perl (or know enough VB to port
it to excel) maybe it will be useful, it's the mpieceSolver.pl file in
"methods".
Thanks,
Doug
FROM: morrissaxophonensu (Morris Jason)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
Hello back and congrads on your first mp. reface ....what strength van. trad... and you might consider ricos, java, ZZ, etc when I played a link tenor 6* for 7 years before my car accident I used java 3 and 31/2 on its standard .90 facing anyway good luck...Jason
dcb_76 <dcb_76@...> wrote: First, "Hello" from a new member (joined last week). Second, you guys
have made a huge difference in my enjoyment of the sax as I already
refaced a mouthpiece, and I'm totally juiced about having a decent
piece for maybe the first time ever.
I refaced a new (virtually non-playing from the distrubutor) link 6 to
have a 25 mm facing, with a tip of 2 mm opening. The ideal radial
curve measurements are here, measured from the tip to the end of the
curve, and my actual values are within a reasonable margin of error:
mm frm tip mm gap inch/1000
0 2.000 0.000 0.078
1 1.842 0.039 0.072
2 1.691 0.078 0.066
3 1.547 0.117 0.060
4 1.409 0.156 0.055
5 1.277 0.195 0.050
6 1.152 0.234 0.045
7 1.034 0.273 0.040
8 0.922 0.312 0.036
9 0.816 0.351 0.032
10 0.717 0.390 0.028
11 0.624 0.429 0.024
12 0.538 0.468 0.021
13 0.459 0.507 0.018
14 0.385 0.546 0.015
15 0.318 0.585 0.012
16 0.258 0.624 0.010
18 0.156 0.702 0.006
20 0.080 0.780 0.003
25 0.000 0.975 0.000
Can anyone suggest adjustments to get the low notes speaking easier,
or to reduce minor chirping I'm getting w/ Vandoren Classic reeds?
I've placed a copy of the program I wrote to generate the chart above
in the files section. If you can run perl (or know enough VB to port
it to excel) maybe it will be useful, it's the mpieceSolver.pl file in
"methods".
Thanks,
Doug
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
Fibracells are virtually chirp-proof. If your baffle is a high roll-over near the tip rail, consider lowering it some. Make sure your facing is even left/right, especially at the tip. What type of gages are you using? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
FROM: dcb_76 (dcb_76)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
I've got a standard set of spark plug gap feelers, running from .010 to .026. To get the bigger values i stacked them, to get the smaller ones I put the moutpiece's table centered on a thinner feeler (i.e. .010) and held it firmly against the glass while sliding the larger feeler (i.e. .012) underneath the facing. The values were pretty repeatable, so I think the measurements are usably close (plus thepiece plays much better!). My rails are very close, but my tip might be a little uneven. I'm not sure how to work it safely, any advice? --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > Fibracells are virtually chirp-proof. > > If your baffle is a high roll-over near the tip rail, consider lowering it > some. Make sure your facing is even left/right, especially at the tip. > > What type of gages are you using? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
FROM: dcb_76 (dcb_76)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
2 1/2. They are not my favorite (I think I'll try some 3 v16s tomorrow, and la voz mediums) but I never had much trouble with chirps before. This is probably a bit soft for you but I've always used a soft setup on clarinet (3 1/2 v12s on a gigliotti 'p' is quite bright). I wouldn't mind opening the tip to a .9 after some experimentation. --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Morris Jason <morrissaxophonensu@...> wrote: > > Hello back and congrads on your first mp. reface ....what strength van. trad... and you might consider ricos, java, ZZ, etc when I played a link tenor 6* for 7 years before my car accident I used java 3 and 31/2 on its standard .90 facing anyway good luck...Jason > > dcb_76 <dcb_76@...> wrote: First, "Hello" from a new member (joined last week). Second, you guys > have made a huge difference in my enjoyment of the sax as I already > refaced a mouthpiece, and I'm totally juiced about having a decent > piece for maybe the first time ever. > > I refaced a new (virtually non-playing from the distrubutor) link 6 to > have a 25 mm facing, with a tip of 2 mm opening. The ideal radial > curve measurements are here, measured from the tip to the end of the > curve, and my actual values are within a reasonable margin of error: > > mm frm tip mm gap inch/1000 > 0 2.000 0.000 0.078 > 1 1.842 0.039 0.072 > 2 1.691 0.078 0.066 > 3 1.547 0.117 0.060 > 4 1.409 0.156 0.055 > 5 1.277 0.195 0.050 > 6 1.152 0.234 0.045 > 7 1.034 0.273 0.040 > 8 0.922 0.312 0.036 > 9 0.816 0.351 0.032 > 10 0.717 0.390 0.028 > 11 0.624 0.429 0.024 > 12 0.538 0.468 0.021 > 13 0.459 0.507 0.018 > 14 0.385 0.546 0.015 > 15 0.318 0.585 0.012 > 16 0.258 0.624 0.010 > 18 0.156 0.702 0.006 > 20 0.080 0.780 0.003 > 25 0.000 0.975 0.000 > > Can anyone suggest adjustments to get the low notes speaking easier, > or to reduce minor chirping I'm getting w/ Vandoren Classic reeds? > > I've placed a copy of the program I wrote to generate the chart above > in the files section. If you can run perl (or know enough VB to port > it to excel) maybe it will be useful, it's the mpieceSolver.pl file in > "methods". > > Thanks, > Doug > > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Wind instrument Saxophone Soprano saxophone Tenor saxophone Clarinet mouthpiece > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "MouthpieceWork" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. >
FROM: morrissaxophonensu (Morris Jason)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
Hey I really like the v12's from 3-4's depending on how bright I want my clarinet sound using a old Portnoy BP 02 on my Yamaha model 650 ..some of the guys here playing link tenors ...one is a 8* which is said to =.115 ???uses 21/2 ricos and the other guy a 6* link uses 31/2 vandoren zZ...also keep in mind using good voicing exercises will help open your lower note for a big lush sound. Paul Coats has some good hand outs on voicing or Donald Sinta's voicing book is great well I hope you have some luck with a good batch of reeds.. Jason
dcb_76 <dcb_76@...> wrote: 2 1/2. They are not my favorite (I think I'll try some 3 v16s
tomorrow, and la voz mediums) but I never had much trouble with chirps
before. This is probably a bit soft for you but I've always used a
soft setup on clarinet (3 1/2 v12s on a gigliotti 'p' is quite
bright). I wouldn't mind opening the tip to a .9 after some
experimentation.
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Morris Jason
<morrissaxophonensu@...> wrote:
>
> Hello back and congrads on your first mp. reface ....what strength
van. trad... and you might consider ricos, java, ZZ, etc when I played
a link tenor 6* for 7 years before my car accident I used java 3 and
31/2 on its standard .90 facing anyway good luck...Jason
>
> dcb_76 <dcb_76@...> wrote: First, "Hello" from a new member (joined
last week). Second, you guys
> have made a huge difference in my enjoyment of the sax as I already
> refaced a mouthpiece, and I'm totally juiced about having a decent
> piece for maybe the first time ever.
>
> I refaced a new (virtually non-playing from the distrubutor) link 6 to
> have a 25 mm facing, with a tip of 2 mm opening. The ideal radial
> curve measurements are here, measured from the tip to the end of the
> curve, and my actual values are within a reasonable margin of error:
>
> mm frm tip mm gap inch/1000
> 0 2.000 0.000 0.078
> 1 1.842 0.039 0.072
> 2 1.691 0.078 0.066
> 3 1.547 0.117 0.060
> 4 1.409 0.156 0.055
> 5 1.277 0.195 0.050
> 6 1.152 0.234 0.045
> 7 1.034 0.273 0.040
> 8 0.922 0.312 0.036
> 9 0.816 0.351 0.032
> 10 0.717 0.390 0.028
> 11 0.624 0.429 0.024
> 12 0.538 0.468 0.021
> 13 0.459 0.507 0.018
> 14 0.385 0.546 0.015
> 15 0.318 0.585 0.012
> 16 0.258 0.624 0.010
> 18 0.156 0.702 0.006
> 20 0.080 0.780 0.003
> 25 0.000 0.975 0.000
>
> Can anyone suggest adjustments to get the low notes speaking easier,
> or to reduce minor chirping I'm getting w/ Vandoren Classic reeds?
>
> I've placed a copy of the program I wrote to generate the chart above
> in the files section. If you can run perl (or know enough VB to port
> it to excel) maybe it will be useful, it's the mpieceSolver.pl file in
> "methods".
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
>
>
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "dcb_76" <dcb_76@...> wrote: > > I've got a standard set of spark plug gap feelers, running from .010 > to .026. To get the bigger values i stacked them, to get the smaller > ones I put the moutpiece's table centered on a thinner feeler (i.e. > .010) and held it firmly against the glass while sliding the larger > feeler (i.e. .012) underneath the facing. The values were pretty > repeatable, so I think the measurements are usably close (plus > thepiece plays much better!). You should be able to easily find automotive feeler guages down to .0015" for low $. Precise measurements with the smaller sizes will help guide your work for better low note response. For larger sizes I recommend the set Jeff Rosner sells. I too use to use stacked feelers. I purchased a couple of sets so I could make up larger sizes. I first tried taping the ends with electrical tape. This worked for a while but eventually they warped with air pockets between the feelers. I thin tried gluing up sizes with crazy glue. Then you need to measure the exact thickness with a micrometer in several places to see what size they are and if they are tapered. This worked better but they would still fall apart occassionally just when you needed them. I am so happy those days are behind me. What are you using for the length measurements? A glass gage? > > My rails are very close, but my tip might be a little uneven. I'm not > sure how to work it safely, any advice? This takes practice. Get 2 strips of 600-1000 grit sandpaper side-by- side. Turn one upside down for the rail/tip side you do not want to take material off of. Mark where you want to take material off of with a pencil. Try a light stroke to see if you are hitting the spot. Adjust and try again. If the problem is a low spot, instead of a high spot, you may need to open the tip to fix it or reface the entire piece to get to your targets.
FROM: dcb_76 (dcb_76)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
I will look for the smaller gauges this weekend. I'm using a small bit of glass from a picture frame for my glass gauge, with a mm grid taped beneath. Not optimal either, I'll be ordering a real one soon. In general I've heard that longer facings (to a point) offer better low-note response. Is this true, or myth? What I'm really looking for is for the moutpiece to require less of the need for lower jaw forward extension in the bottom ~fifth (g/f# down to Bb) of the instrument's range. Thanks for the tip on the tip. I'll give it a shot. --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@...> wrote: > > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "dcb_76" <dcb_76@> wrote: > > > > I've got a standard set of spark plug gap feelers, running from .010 > > to .026. To get the bigger values i stacked them, to get the smaller > > ones I put the moutpiece's table centered on a thinner feeler (i.e. > > .010) and held it firmly against the glass while sliding the larger > > feeler (i.e. .012) underneath the facing. The values were pretty > > repeatable, so I think the measurements are usably close (plus > > thepiece plays much better!). > > You should be able to easily find automotive feeler guages down > to .0015" for low $. Precise measurements with the smaller sizes > will help guide your work for better low note response. For larger > sizes I recommend the set Jeff Rosner sells. > > I too use to use stacked feelers. I purchased a couple of sets so I > could make up larger sizes. I first tried taping the ends with > electrical tape. This worked for a while but eventually they warped > with air pockets between the feelers. I thin tried gluing up sizes > with crazy glue. Then you need to measure the exact thickness with a > micrometer in several places to see what size they are and if they > are tapered. This worked better but they would still fall apart > occassionally just when you needed them. I am so happy those days > are behind me. > > What are you using for the length measurements? A glass gage? > > > > > My rails are very close, but my tip might be a little uneven. I'm > not > > sure how to work it safely, any advice? > > This takes practice. Get 2 strips of 600-1000 grit sandpaper side-by- > side. Turn one upside down for the rail/tip side you do not want to > take material off of. Mark where you want to take material off of > with a pencil. Try a light stroke to see if you are hitting the > spot. Adjust and try again. > > If the problem is a low spot, instead of a high spot, you may need to > open the tip to fix it or reface the entire piece to get to your > targets. >
FROM: tenorman1952 (tenorman@...)
SUBJECT: Re: hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps?
Seriously, Vandoren reeds chirp on many professional mouthpieces. Change the reed to something not in a blue box. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: dcb_76 [mailto:dcb_76@...] Sent: 3/14/2006 6:22:15 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MouthpieceWork] hello, thanks, help with low notes, chirps? First, "Hello" from a new member (joined last week). Second, you guys have made a huge difference in my enjoyment of the sax as I already refaced a mouthpiece, and I'm totally juiced about having a decent piece for maybe the first time ever. I refaced a new (virtually non-playing from the distrubutor) link 6 to have a 25 mm facing, with a tip of 2 mm opening. The ideal radial curve measurements are here, measured from the tip to the end of the curve, and my actual values are within a reasonable margin of error: mm frm tip mm gap inch/1000 0 2.000 0.000 0.078 1 1.842 0.039 0.072 2 1.691 0.078 0.066 3 1.547 0.117 0.060 4 1.409 0.156 0.055 5 1.277 0.195 0.050 6 1.152 0.234 0.045 7 1.034 0.273 0.040 8 0.922 0.312 0.036 9 0.816 0.351 0.032 10 0.717 0.390 0.028 11 0.624 0.429 0.024 12 0.538 0.468 0.021 13 0.459 0.507 0.018 14 0.385 0.546 0.015 15 0.318 0.585 0.012 16 0.258 0.624 0.010 18 0.156 0.702 0.006 20 0.080 0.780 0.003 25 0.000 0.975 0.000 Can anyone suggest adjustments to get the low notes speaking easier, or to reduce minor chirping I'm getting w/ Vandoren Classic reeds? I've placed a copy of the program I wrote to generate the chart above in the files section. If you can run perl (or know enough VB to port it to excel) maybe it will be useful, it's the mpieceSolver.pl file in "methods". Thanks, Doug Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to [http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups]http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups SPONSORED LINKS [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Wind+instrument&w1=Wind+instrument&w2=Saxophone&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Clarinet+mouthpiece&c=5&s=105&.sig=2UP4HwLGcDWRqZqAONmoGw]Wind instrument [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone&w1=Wind+instrument&w2=Saxophone&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Clarinet+mouthpiece&c=5&s=105&.sig=j1qdlK1MeuDaTOp8TqdrOw]Saxophone [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Soprano+saxophone&w1=Wind+instrument&w2=Saxophone&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Clarinet+mouthpiece&c=5&s=105&.sig=xsGcV7JxpvRiIn1EAyh2iw]Soprano saxophone [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Tenor+saxophone&w1=Wind+instrument&w2=Saxophone&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Clarinet+mouthpiece&c=5&s=105&.sig=BGSWr9RvCtmH_IKyc2llcA]Tenor saxophone [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w1=Wind+instrument&w2=Saxophone&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Clarinet+mouthpiece&c=5&s=105&.sig=tFrDLsKSBrG1C63m48jxaw]Clarinet mouthpiece -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ยท Visit your group " [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork] MouthpieceWork " on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe]MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/]Yahoo! Terms of Service . --------------------------------------------------------------------------------