Mouthpiece Work / baffle or facing change?
FROM: frymorgan (frymorgan)
SUBJECT: baffle or facing change?
How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less rollover? TIA
FROM: dantorosian (Dan Torosian)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
I am not the most experienced refacer on this newsgroup (by a longshot), but I have found that if the piece plays well (i.e., easily and comfortably), the facing is probably OK for you. I'd measure it anyway, though. Thin sound, to me, often means lack of resonance. Are the side rails even? How does the tip rail look (under magnification)? Sometimes if the tip rail is uneven or doesn't have a well-defined boundary between it and the chamber, or doesn't have clean corners, that seems to cause it. If the baffle is too high, that could cause thinness as well, but remove baffle material slowly and play-test often. If it had a long, straight-ish baffle, I'd try removing material from the interior end of the baffle, but since it's a Meyer copy, this is probably not the case. Hope this helps. Dan T frymorgan wrote: >How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got >this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a >bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the >sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less >rollover? >TIA > >
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
What I have found is that taking the baffle down directly behind the tip rail will definitely smooth the sound--rounding it a bit if it is very edgy, but not changing the main body of the tone much. If you want to keep a very bright edge while making the sound fatter then lower the baffle a bit farther back. In any case things have to be kept in balance. A very high baffle and a big chamber is not a good combination, nor is a low baffle with a small chamber, at least in my experience.
Toby
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From: frymorgan
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] baffle or facing change?
How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got
this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a
bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the
sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less
rollover?
TIA
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FROM: cthorsman (Craig Horsman)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
sorry, i don't know. I have no expertise about the design of mouthpieces. I read a book about saxophones over Christmas, "The Devil's Horn" by Michael Segell. It sounded like the many pro players he interviewed were always looking for another, different, better mouthpiece. And every sax has a different sound and every player has a different sound. AND we have to match all three to get the sound we want, which will eventually cost me beau coup dollars. So the advice in th e book was to find a good teacher, practice, and eventually maybe you can alter the sound. Sorry for the long reply, I needed to remind myself of this same advice. Good Luck --- frymorgan <frymorgan@...> wrote: > How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more > tubby? I've got > this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the > others but sounds a > bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little > more body to the > sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle > toward the back? Less > rollover? > TIA > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "frymorgan" <frymorgan@y...> wrote: > > How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got > this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a > bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the > sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less > rollover? > TIA Usually "tubby" is used by players who do not like a piece. Those who like this sound call it dark, spread, sultry, full of body. Like the others I would lower the roll-over area a little at first and play test it. With Meyers there is usually not a huge roll-over. If you are looking for rounder sounding lower notes, lower the baffle in the middle and back. You may need to go 1/16" to make a differnce. You can also consider scooping out the sidewalls more but this can be a lot more work. It would be better to try out a HR Link.
FROM: frymorgan (frymorgan)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@y...> wrote: > > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "frymorgan" <frymorgan@y...> > wrote: > > > > How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got > > this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a > > bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the > > sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less > > rollover? > > TIA > > Usually "tubby" is used by players who do not like a piece. Those who > like this sound call it dark, spread, sultry, full of body. > > Like the others I would lower the roll-over area a little at first and > play test it. With Meyers there is usually not a huge roll-over. If > you are looking for rounder sounding lower notes, lower the baffle in > the middle and back. You may need to go 1/16" to make a differnce. > You can also consider scooping out the sidewalls more but this can be a > lot more work. It would be better to try out a HR Link. > Yeah, maybe tubby is the wrong word for it. What I want is the noticeably fatter, rounder sound that the other good Meyer copies (and current Meyers) that I've tried lately have, but retain the liveliness and projection and altissimo response that the piece currently has. I'll try lowering the baffle first and see how that works. Thanks.
FROM: tenorman1952 (tenorman@...)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
Undercut by the side rails, remove the rollover, hog out the throat, a la Otto Link. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: frymorgan [mailto:frymorgan@...] Sent: 1/25/2006 9:49:58 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MouthpieceWork] baffle or facing change? How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less rollover? TIA Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to [http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups]http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups SPONSORED LINKS [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=Rqo_0BecW-5kMOT5YSn4rg]Saxophone [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Wind+instrument&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=iqaQBru1mR9DFwkLdjSFhA]Wind instrument [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=9TxHuC2xefbCe1DmkTjx4g]Clarinet mouthpiece [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone+mouthpieces&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=fEzGO0FHjxTUjcvR0In3FQ]Saxophone mouthpieces -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS · Visit your group " [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork] MouthpieceWork " on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe]MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/]Yahoo! Terms of Service . --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FROM: tenorman1952 (tenorman@...)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
Sorry, I was being flip about the Link thing... But seriously, I would lengthen the facing to about 21-22 mm's. I would take a little off the rollover, not much. If you take too much off the mouthpiece will have resistance and a dull tone. It will lose its quick response. If you hog out the throat a la Link, Caravan, Rascher, intonation will suffer, and the tone will not have a good center. In just the last month I have filled in the hollowed out side walls of three Links, adding more baffle, improving these mouthpieces for the players. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: frymorgan [mailto:frymorgan@...] Sent: 1/25/2006 9:49:58 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MouthpieceWork] baffle or facing change? How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less rollover? TIA Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to [http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups]http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups SPONSORED LINKS [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=Rqo_0BecW-5kMOT5YSn4rg]Saxophone [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Wind+instrument&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=iqaQBru1mR9DFwkLdjSFhA]Wind instrument [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=9TxHuC2xefbCe1DmkTjx4g]Clarinet mouthpiece [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone+mouthpieces&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s=88&.sig=fEzGO0FHjxTUjcvR0In3FQ]Saxophone mouthpieces -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS · Visit your group " [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork] MouthpieceWork " on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe]MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/]Yahoo! Terms of Service . --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
If you are happy with the way the piece responds I wouldn't lower the baffle just behind the tip. I'd start about 1/2 way back and lower from there. As Keith says, you might have to remove quite a bit of material from the back to really make a difference.
Toby
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From: frymorgan
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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: baffle or facing change?
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury"
<kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "frymorgan" <frymorgan@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got
> > this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a
> > bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the
> > sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less
> > rollover?
> > TIA
>
> Usually "tubby" is used by players who do not like a piece. Those who
> like this sound call it dark, spread, sultry, full of body.
>
> Like the others I would lower the roll-over area a little at first and
> play test it. With Meyers there is usually not a huge roll-over. If
> you are looking for rounder sounding lower notes, lower the baffle in
> the middle and back. You may need to go 1/16" to make a differnce.
> You can also consider scooping out the sidewalls more but this can be a
> lot more work. It would be better to try out a HR Link.
>
Yeah, maybe tubby is the wrong word for it. What I want is the
noticeably fatter, rounder sound that the other good Meyer copies (and
current Meyers) that I've tried lately have, but retain the
liveliness and projection and altissimo response that the piece
currently has. I'll try lowering the baffle first and see how that
works. Thanks.
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FROM: ed_svoboda (esvoboda@...)
SUBJECT: Re: baffle or facing change?
Personally, I wouldn't consider making any major changes to any mouthpiece as I feel that the designer of the piece either did a good job or didn't. Far be it from me to waste my time correcting any "flaws" when there are a host of other designs that generally could work well for what a player wants. In this case, I would lower the total baffle by about 1/16" of an inch and if that didn't result in the tone changing towards what I had in mind I would either stop and go buy something else or I would shorten the baffle length. Again, if that didn't result in the piece moving towards the tone that I wanted then I would stop and buy something else. It sounds like you would prefer something more link like. Ed Svoboda www.chicagomouthpieces.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "" <tenorman@...> > Sorry, I was being flip about the Link thing... But seriously, I would lengthen > the facing to about 21-22 mm's. I would take a little off the rollover, not > much. > If you take too much off the mouthpiece will have resistance and a dull tone. > It > will lose its quick response. If you hog out the throat a la Link, Caravan, > Rascher, > intonation will suffer, and the tone will not have a good center. In just the > last > month I have filled in the hollowed out side walls of three Links, adding more > baffle, > improving these mouthpieces for the players. Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: frymorgan [mailto:frymorgan@...] Sent: > 1/25/2006 9:49:58 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: > [MouthpieceWork] > baffle or facing change? > How can I make a good mouthpiece sound a little more tubby? I've got > > this alto Meyer copy that plays better than the others but sounds a > > bit thinner. So what's the best way to add a little more body to the > > sound? Lengthening the facing? Deeper baffle toward the back? Less > > rollover? > > TIA > > > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > > Visit the site at > [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mout > hpieceWork > to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > > To see and modify your groups, go to > [http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups]http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone&w1=Saxophone&w2=Wind+ > instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4&s > =88&.sig=Rqo_0BecW-5kMOT5YSn4rg]Saxophone > > [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Wind+instrument&w1=Saxophone&w2 > =Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&c=4 > &s=88&.sig=iqaQBru1mR9DFwkLdjSFhA]Wind > instrument > [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w1=Saxophone&am > p;w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces& > ;c=4&s=88&.sig=9TxHuC2xefbCe1DmkTjx4g]Clarinet > mouthpiece > > [http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone+mouthpieces&w1=Saxophone& > amp;w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w4=Saxophone+mouthpieces&a > mp;c=4&s=88&.sig=fEzGO0FHjxTUjcvR0In3FQ]Saxophone > mouthpieces > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > � Visit your group " [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork] > MouthpieceWork > " on the web. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe]Mouthpiec > eWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > [http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/]Yahoo! > Terms of Service . > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >