Guys, isn't this a bit stupid? Isn't this like asking what plays a more vital role in making a car go: the engine or the wheels or the transmission or the axle? Or what is more important physiologically for the body: the heart, the lungs, the kidneys or the brain?

All of the listed attributes play an important role in the playability of the mpc--if any of them are seriously out of spec it is going to create problems.

I don't get the point.

Toby



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Toby, I agree.  I have seen chamber/baffle shapes that make a facing 
feel as if it is smaller or larger than it really is.  All of the 
components must work together for a good result.

Paul

Toby wrote:

> Guys, isn't this a bit stupid? Isn't this like asking what plays a 
> more vital role in making a car go: the engine or the wheels or the 
> transmission or the axle? Or what is more important physiologically 
> for the body: the heart, the lungs, the kidneys or the brain?
>  
> All of the listed attributes play an important role in the playability 
> of the mpc--if any of them are seriously out of spec it is going to 
> create problems.
>  
> I don't get the point.
>  
> Toby
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These polls are basically useless.  They don't really cover the right people because it would be a really long poll to do so.  They always represent regional interests.  Some of the people on the poll below don't actually hand finish what they make.  With no offense meant to Ken but he would probably be the first to tell you that he's still ramping up and is still nowhere near even "semi mass production".  

End of Rant!

Ed Svoboda
www.chicagomouthpieces.com
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From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> MouthpieceWork group:
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> Currently, who is making the highest quality mouthpieces on a semi mass 
> production level. Understanding that all refacers and customizers are just that. 
> 
>   o Ralph Morgan 
>   o Phil Barone 
>   o Saxscape (Ken Barry) 
>   o Peter Ponzol 
>   o Jody Espina (Jody Jazz) 
>   o RPC 
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I only posted this poll as a way to spur some conversation. It 
wasn't intended to be biased at all nor to leave anyone out. 
Although I can appreciate the passion some of you feel for the 
subject I can only say how this only proves one thing... 
Saxophonists are a strange bunch and mouthpieces are such an 
individual and personal decision that no one will convince me that 
any one particular mouthpiece is better than another because if that 
were the case there would be no need for more than one company 
making them..

~H

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, esvoboda@... wrote:
>
> These polls are basically useless.  They don't really cover the 
right people because it would be a really long poll to do so.  They 
always represent regional interests.  Some of the people on the poll 
below don't actually hand finish what they make.  With no offense 
meant to Ken but he would probably be the first to tell you that 
he's still ramping up and is still nowhere near even "semi mass 
production".  
> 
> End of Rant!
> 
> Ed Svoboda
> www.chicagomouthpieces.com
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> > MouthpieceWork group:
> > 
> > Currently, who is making the highest quality mouthpieces on a 
semi mass 
> > production level. Understanding that all refacers and 
customizers are just that. 
> > 
> >   o Ralph Morgan 
> >   o Phil Barone 
> >   o Saxscape (Ken Barry) 
> >   o Peter Ponzol 
> >   o Jody Espina (Jody Jazz) 
> >   o RPC 
> > 
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Groups 
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My comments weren't directed personally to you and I'm glad that you know that.  Saxophonists are a strange bunch!  Very true.


Ed Svoboda
www.chicagomouthpieces.com
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "hhm478" <hhm478@...>
> I only posted this poll as a way to spur some conversation. It 
> wasn't intended to be biased at all nor to leave anyone out. 
> Although I can appreciate the passion some of you feel for the 
> subject I can only say how this only proves one thing... 
> Saxophonists are a strange bunch and mouthpieces are such an 
> individual and personal decision that no one will convince me that 
> any one particular mouthpiece is better than another because if that 
> were the case there would be no need for more than one company 
> making them..
> 
> ~H
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, esvoboda@... wrote:
> >
> > These polls are basically useless.  They don't really cover the 
> right people because it would be a really long poll to do so.  They 
> always represent regional interests.  Some of the people on the poll 
> below don't actually hand finish what they make.  With no offense 
> meant to Ken but he would probably be the first to tell you that 
> he's still ramping up and is still nowhere near even "semi mass 
> production".  
> > 
> > End of Rant!
> > 
> > Ed Svoboda
> > www.chicagomouthpieces.com
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 
> > > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> > > MouthpieceWork group:
> > > 
> > > Currently, who is making the highest quality mouthpieces on a 
> semi mass 
> > > production level. Understanding that all refacers and 
> customizers are just that. 
> > > 
> > >   o Ralph Morgan 
> > >   o Phil Barone 
> > >   o Saxscape (Ken Barry) 
> > >   o Peter Ponzol 
> > >   o Jody Espina (Jody Jazz) 
> > >   o RPC 
> > > 
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> 

I've same idea of Ed and I agree with you totally... but watch out the drummers!
 
 Gian

esvoboda@... wrote:                                  My comments weren't directed personally to you and I'm glad that you know that.  Saxophonists are a strange bunch!  Very true.
 
 Ed Svoboda
 www.chicagomouthpieces.com
  -------------- Original message ----------------------
 From: "hhm478" <hhm478@...>
 > I only posted this poll as a way to spur some conversation. It 
 > wasn't intended to be biased at all nor to leave anyone out. 
 > Although I can appreciate the passion some of you feel for the 
 > subject I can only say how this only proves one thing... 
 > Saxophonists are a strange bunch and mouthpieces are such an 
 > individual and personal decision that no one will convince me that 
 > any one particular mouthpiece is better than another because if that 
 > were the case there would be no need for more than one company 
 > making them..
 > 
 > ~H
 > 
 > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, esvoboda@... wrote:
 > >
 > > These polls are basically useless.  They don't really cover the 
 > right people because it would be a really long poll to do so.  They 
 > always represent regional interests.  Some of the people on the poll 
 > below don't actually hand finish what they make.  With no offense 
 > meant to Ken but he would probably be the first to tell you that 
 > he's still ramping up and is still nowhere near even "semi mass 
 > production".  
 > > 
 > > End of Rant!
 > > 
 > > Ed Svoboda
 > > www.chicagomouthpieces.com
 > >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
 > > From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
 > > > 
 > > > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
 > > > MouthpieceWork group:
 > > > 
 > > > Currently, who is making the highest quality mouthpieces on a 
 > semi mass 
 > > > production level. Understanding that all refacers and 
 > customizers are just that. 
 > > > 
 > > >   o Ralph Morgan 
 > > >   o Phil Barone 
 > > >   o Saxscape (Ken Barry) 
 > > >   o Peter Ponzol 
 > > >   o Jody Espina (Jody Jazz) 
 > > >   o RPC 
 > > > 
 > > > 
 > > > To vote, please visit the following web page:
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                       From:    "hhm478" <hhm478@...>
To:    MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject:    [MouthpieceWork] Re: New poll for MouthpieceWork
Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:04:53 +0000

                             I only posted this poll as a way to spur some conversation. It 
 wasn't intended to be biased at all nor to leave anyone out. 
 Although I can appreciate the passion some of you feel for the 
 subject I can only say how this only proves one thing... 
 Saxophonists are a strange bunch and mouthpieces are such an 
 individual and personal decision that no one will convince me that 
 any one particular mouthpiece is better than another because if that 
 were the case there would be no need for more than one company 
 making them..
 
 ~H
 
 --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, esvoboda@... wrote:
 >
 > These polls are basically useless.  They don't really cover the 
 right people because it would be a really long poll to do so.  They 
 always represent regional interests.  Some of the people on the poll 
 below don't actually hand finish what they make.  With no offense 
 meant to Ken but he would probably be the first to tell you that 
 he's still ramping up and is still nowhere near even "semi mass 
 production".  
 > 
 > End of Rant!
 > 
 > Ed Svoboda
 > www.chicagomouthpieces.com
 >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
 > From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
 > > 
 > > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
 > > MouthpieceWork group:
 > > 
 > > Currently, who is making the highest quality mouthpieces on a 
 semi mass 
 > > production level. Understanding that all refacers and 
 customizers are just that. 
 > > 
 > >   o Ralph Morgan 
 > >   o Phil Barone 
 > >   o Saxscape (Ken Barry) 
 > >   o Peter Ponzol 
 > >   o Jody Espina (Jody Jazz) 
 > >   o RPC 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > To vote, please visit the following web page:
 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork/surveys?id396805 
 > > 
 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
 > > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! 
 Groups 
 > > web site listed above.
 > > 
 > > Thanks!
 > > 
 > >  
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > >
 >
 
 
     
           

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Hello all,

My thoughts-- I think this is the mission of this group that Keith 
set up- to teach us and to share with each other about how to make 
good mouthpieces.

Now that Keith and many of you experts have taught me how to "fish," 
I don't buy specialty pieces. I am not proclaiming that I am an 
expert refacer, far from it.  I just like working on things. I work 
on my own horns and rebuild vintage ones. I enjoy working on my own 
mouthpieces and getting them to play the way I want them to play.

I am also not knocking the mouthpiece vendors; I know many of them 
are here reading this list. There will always be a market for those 
that do not know how to work on pieces, do not have the time to work 
on pieces, or have no interest in the matter-they just want to play.

For me, I have never played any of the brands and vendors mentioned. 
I grew up pretty poor and could never afford a nice, branded 
mouthpiece. Even now, I look for no-name mouthpieces or "student" 
pieces, or nice vintage HR pieces at bargain prices. They make great 
blanks to work on.

Thanks, Keith and all those on the list for empowering me to enjoy my 
playing experience.

-Willis