Mouthpiece Work / HELP! Perfect Radius or Spline?
FROM: sigmund451 (sigmund451)
SUBJECT: HELP! Perfect Radius or Spline?
Which is better for a tenor mpc a perfect radial curve or a spline. A friend who is an engeneer plotted some curve number for me and found them to produce a spline rather than a perfect radius...it was extremely close but one number in the plottings made the curves a spline rather than a perfect radial curve.
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: HELP! Perfect Radius or Spline?
From my many discussions with the late Santy Runyon over the many years that I knew him, the radial curve was best. It allowed the reed to curve smoothly and easily, with no jerks or bumps along the way. It allowed the instrument, whether saxophone or clarinet, to determine the overtone structure, rather than the reed. He designed his facing machine to first cut the table, from the butt end, with the cutter moving along like a milling machine, then it hit a stop, and rotated, producing the facing curve. Where the cutter stopped and pivoted was adjustable... thus controlling the facing length. The radius of rotation was also adjustable, thus controlling the tip opening. But there were other facing types, and he and others found they did not work as well. I would refer you to his article on clarinet facings, which also apply to the saxophone, here on the Mouthpiece Work Group. He discusses the various facing curves used, how they are produced, and the effect they have on the playing characteristics of the mouthpieces. I have a very difficult to read zerox of the original article. I can supply that if wanted, but the copy we have here is one I retyped, and redrew the diagrams. Santy looked over the result and approved it, and gave permission for us to have it here on the Mouthpiece WorkGroup. Look in Files > Clarinet > Runyon Mpce Articles Web Rev 8-2-02. The file just below that one, Santy Mpce, is the original copy. Paul Coats sigmund451 wrote: > Which is better for a tenor mpc a perfect radial curve or a spline. A > friend who is an engeneer plotted some curve number for me and found > them to produce a spline rather than a perfect radius...it was > extremely close but one number in the plottings made the curves a > spline rather than a perfect radial curve. > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see > the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Clarinet mouthpiece > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w1=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Saxophone&c=5&s5&.sigRArJQSrbdM-0cDTRBhQ1Q> > Wind instrument > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Wind+instrument&w1=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Saxophone&c=5&s5&.sig=HTjn8l5VLuVJN-z0AscAhA> > Soprano saxophone > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Soprano+saxophone&w1=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Saxophone&c=5&s5&.sig=lF3mSyYfD5L3TG--pm0oAA> > > Tenor saxophone > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Tenor+saxophone&w1=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Saxophone&c=5&s5&.sig=Rsw0cwIKksZM5TRD2J6juA> > Saxophone > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Saxophone&w1=Clarinet+mouthpiece&w2=Wind+instrument&w3=Soprano+saxophone&w4=Tenor+saxophone&w5=Saxophone&c=5&s5&.sig=KmvUhs42J_Gve2NV9R63gg> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "MouthpieceWork > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork>" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: HELP! Perfect Radius or Spline?
A spline curve can be made to pass through virtually any sequence of data points. So it will pass through bad readings as well as good ones. I think it has too many degrees of freedom to be useful in mouthpiece work. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs