permanent (but removable) baffle material (Mouthpiece Work Yahoo Group)

FROM: tully32288 (tully32288)

SUBJECT: permanent (but removable) baffle material

I'm looking to create a removable permanent baffle for my rubber Link, 
but I believe epoxy putty gives off a lot of heat in hardening, which 
I'm afraid would damage the rubber.  I have a feeling plexiglass might 
work quite nicely; does it deal well with filing, or does it crack, 
splinter, etc.?  I would prefer to deal with something soft and 
moldable, though.

I've been using dental wax, but naturally, it changes shape slightly 
every time it goes in and out of the mouthpiece, and I'm getting sick 
of trying to re-perfect it every time.  

Thanks in advance for your help!

FROM: kymarto (Toby)

SUBJECT: Re: permanent (but removable) baffle material

Epoxy putty gives off very little heat. I've used it to good effect in making baffles for plastic pieces. How are you thinking to make it removable? I suppose that perhaps greasing the "mold" beforehand might let you get it out after hardening, but I'm not sure.

Plexiglas is extremely durable stuff and handles filing and sanding quite nicely. It's become the de facto standard (instead of buffalo horn) to make the sharp blowing edge of shakuhachi flutes. It takes an edge and doesn't splinter or wear out for years in the presence of saliva. It is also much harder than epoxy putty. I would guess that it is the better choice, but it will take some work to get it to the right shape.

Toby
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From: tully32288
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Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:26 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] permanent (but removable) baffle material

I'm looking to create a removable permanent baffle for my rubber Link,
but I believe epoxy putty gives off a lot of heat in hardening, which
I'm afraid would damage the rubber. I have a feeling plexiglass might
work quite nicely; does it deal well with filing, or does it crack,
splinter, etc.? I would prefer to deal with something soft and
moldable, though.

I've been using dental wax, but naturally, it changes shape slightly
every time it goes in and out of the mouthpiece, and I'm getting sick
of trying to re-perfect it every time.

Thanks in advance for your help!

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FROM: tully32288 (Tully Lanter)

SUBJECT: Re: permanent (but removable) baffle material

Since heat isn't an issue, I'll go ahead and use epoxy putty, and once
I get it right, I may try to duplicate it in plexiglass.  By
removable, I mean I want it to slide in/out, so Vaseline under the
putty would be the obvious choice, assuming it wouldn't make the
baffle shift around when I try to play-test it.

On 7/15/05, Toby <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> Epoxy putty gives off very little heat. I've used it to good effect in
> making baffles for plastic pieces. How are you thinking to make it
> removable? I suppose that perhaps greasing the "mold" beforehand might let
> you get it out after hardening, but I'm not sure.
>  
> Plexiglas is extremely durable stuff and handles filing and sanding quite
> nicely. It's become the de facto standard (instead of buffalo horn) to make
> the sharp blowing edge of shakuhachi flutes. It takes an edge and doesn't
> splinter or wear out for years in the presence of saliva. It is also much
> harder than epoxy putty. I would guess that it is the better choice, but it
> will take some work to get it to the right shape.
>  
> Toby
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: tully32288 
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:26 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] permanent (but removable) baffle material
> 
> I'm looking to create a removable permanent baffle for my rubber Link, 
> but I believe epoxy putty gives off a lot of heat in hardening, which 
> I'm afraid would damage the rubber.  I have a feeling plexiglass might 
> work quite nicely; does it deal well with filing, or does it crack, 
> splinter, etc.?  I would prefer to deal with something soft and 
> moldable, though.
> 
> I've been using dental wax, but naturally, it changes shape slightly 
> every time it goes in and out of the mouthpiece, and I'm getting sick 
> of trying to re-perfect it every time.  
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> 
> 
> 
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)

SUBJECT: Re: permanent (but removable) baffle material

Hard removable baffles do not stay put in Links very well.  They do not
wedge in place due to the cirved sidewalls.  I usually hold them in place
with a small amount of poster putty.


		
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FROM: kymarto (Toby)

SUBJECT: Re: permanent (but removable) baffle material

One thing you could do is to make it first in epoxy putty, then once you have the baffle you could make a mold and cast it in casting resin. If you cast a few identical baffles you could then work on them individually for interchangeable baffles. It could be very cool if you want to have different choices...

Toby
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  From: Tully Lanter 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] permanent (but removable) baffle material


  Since heat isn't an issue, I'll go ahead and use epoxy putty, and once
  I get it right, I may try to duplicate it in plexiglass.  By
  removable, I mean I want it to slide in/out, so Vaseline under the
  putty would be the obvious choice, assuming it wouldn't make the
  baffle shift around when I try to play-test it.

  On 7/15/05, Toby <kymarto123@...> wrote:
  > Epoxy putty gives off very little heat. I've used it to good effect in
  > making baffles for plastic pieces. How are you thinking to make it
  > removable? I suppose that perhaps greasing the "mold" beforehand might let
  > you get it out after hardening, but I'm not sure.
  >  
  > Plexiglas is extremely durable stuff and handles filing and sanding quite
  > nicely. It's become the de facto standard (instead of buffalo horn) to make
  > the sharp blowing edge of shakuhachi flutes. It takes an edge and doesn't
  > splinter or wear out for years in the presence of saliva. It is also much
  > harder than epoxy putty. I would guess that it is the better choice, but it
  > will take some work to get it to the right shape.
  >  
  > Toby
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: tully32288 
  > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:26 AM
  > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] permanent (but removable) baffle material
  > 
  > I'm looking to create a removable permanent baffle for my rubber Link, 
  > but I believe epoxy putty gives off a lot of heat in hardening, which 
  > I'm afraid would damage the rubber.  I have a feeling plexiglass might 
  > work quite nicely; does it deal well with filing, or does it crack, 
  > splinter, etc.?  I would prefer to deal with something soft and 
  > moldable, though.
  > 
  > I've been using dental wax, but naturally, it changes shape slightly 
  > every time it goes in and out of the mouthpiece, and I'm getting sick 
  > of trying to re-perfect it every time.  
  > 
  > Thanks in advance for your help!
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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FROM: tully32288 (Tully Lanter)

SUBJECT: Re: permanent (but removable) baffle material

Does poster putty dry in place if left for a long time, or does it
remain tacky indefinitely?

Toby, your casting idea sounds very interesting.  I'm afraid I have
almost no knowledge of this sort of thing, so how would I make the
mold?

On 7/15/05, Toby <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> One thing you could do is to make it first in epoxy putty, then once you
> have the baffle you could make a mold and cast it in casting resin. If you
> cast a few identical baffles you could then work on them individually for
> interchangeable baffles. It could be very cool if you want to have different
> choices...
>  
> Toby
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Tully Lanter 
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] permanent (but removable) baffle material
> 
> Since heat isn't an issue, I'll go ahead and use epoxy putty, and once
> I get it right, I may try to duplicate it in plexiglass.  By
> removable, I mean I want it to slide in/out, so Vaseline under the
> putty would be the obvious choice, assuming it wouldn't make the
> baffle shift around when I try to play-test it.
> 
> On 7/15/05, Toby <kymarto123@...> wrote:
> > Epoxy putty gives off very little heat. I've used it to good effect in
> > making baffles for plastic pieces. How are you thinking to make it
> > removable? I suppose that perhaps greasing the "mold" beforehand might let
> > you get it out after hardening, but I'm not sure.
> >  
> > Plexiglas is extremely durable stuff and handles filing and sanding quite
> > nicely. It's become the de facto standard (instead of buffalo horn) to
> make
> > the sharp blowing edge of shakuhachi flutes. It takes an edge and doesn't
> > splinter or wear out for years in the presence of saliva. It is also much
> > harder than epoxy putty. I would guess that it is the better choice, but
> it
> > will take some work to get it to the right shape.
> >  
> > Toby
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: tully32288 
> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:26 AM
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] permanent (but removable) baffle material
> > 
> > I'm looking to create a removable permanent baffle for my rubber Link, 
> > but I believe epoxy putty gives off a lot of heat in hardening, which 
> > I'm afraid would damage the rubber.  I have a feeling plexiglass might 
> > work quite nicely; does it deal well with filing, or does it crack, 
> > splinter, etc.?  I would prefer to deal with something soft and 
> > moldable, though.
> > 
> > I've been using dental wax, but naturally, it changes shape slightly 
> > every time it goes in and out of the mouthpiece, and I'm getting sick 
> > of trying to re-perfect it every time.  
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your help!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Got a Mouthpiece Work question?  Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> > 
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)

SUBJECT: Re: permanent (but removable) baffle material

Poster-hanging putty I have (Fun-Tak) does not seem to harden over several
years of use.


		
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FROM: kymarto (Toby)

SUBJECT: Re: permanent (but removable) baffle material

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tully Lanter
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] permanent (but removable) baffle material

Does poster putty dry in place if left for a long time, or does it
remain tacky indefinitely?

Toby, your casting idea sounds very interesting.  I'm afraid I have
almost no knowledge of this sort of thing, so how would I make the
mold?

Aha! I'm not sure...

There seem to be lots of resources on the net. Check out:

http://www.smooth-on.com/howto.htm

http://www.hirstarts.com/casting/plastic.html

for starters. Google up "casting resin" and "mold making" for more.

It should be an easy project and you wouldn't need much of either molding 
rubber/plastic or casting resin.

Toby