Mouthpiece Work / M13
FROM: jazzplayer88 (Keith Ley)
SUBJECT: M13
> Thw WW&BW chart lists a M13 as a .040" tip opening. I may have an >older > Mine is about 8 years old and measures .043 with Steve's gage, but it's a "Profile 88" Model M13 so it maybe a little different. Keith >From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 757 >Date: 16 May 2005 15:12:55 -0000 > > >There are 2 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@...> > 2. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> > > >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:38:34 -0000 > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@...> >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > >I have access to new Vandoren pieces, and I may already have some M13 >lyre specs. > >The chart with clarinet facings that was compiled from data I posted >here has the regular M13 on it. > > >--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> >wrote: > > Vandoren brochure that has the specs. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:41:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > >I have a chart I printed from IntMusicalSupplies a few years ago. It lists >a M13L as 1.03mm tip and 36 L. > > > >Yahoo! Mail >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > > >Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > >Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the >Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > >To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >
FROM: andrewhdonaldson (andrewhdonaldson)
SUBJECT: Re: M13
I've noticed that with clarinet tip openings it makes quite a difference where the tip opening is measured from. For instance, one of my pieces (Gigliotti No. 3) measures 1.12mm at the inside tip rail, but this becomes more like 1.2mm at the absolute tip opening. The tip rail is about 0.75mm wide. Of course, this issue is similar with sax mouthpieces as well, but more exaggerated on clarinet because while the tip rail width is often about the same as on sax, the tip openings are a lot smaller. Vandoren seem to quote the tip opening at the inner tip rail edge rather than the absolute tip opening. At least that was the case on my V16 clarinet piece. But I'm sure some of the other makers are quoting the absolute tip opening. I think this makes comparing tip openings by various makers from some of the published charts somewhat doubtful . . . Regards, Andrew --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Ley" <keith_ley@h...> wrote: > > > > Thw WW&BW chart lists a M13 as a .040" tip opening. I may have an > >older > > > > Mine is about 8 years old and measures .043 with Steve's gage, but it's a > "Profile 88" Model M13 so it maybe a little different. > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > >Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 757 > >Date: 16 May 2005 15:12:55 -0000 > > > > > >There are 2 messages in this issue. > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@y...> > > 2. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:38:34 -0000 > > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@y...> > >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > >I have access to new Vandoren pieces, and I may already have some M13 > >lyre specs. > > > >The chart with clarinet facings that was compiled from data I posted > >here has the regular M13 on it. > > > > > >--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > >wrote: > > > Vandoren brochure that has the specs. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:41:03 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > >I have a chart I printed from IntMusicalSupplies a few years ago. It lists > >a M13L as 1.03mm tip and 36 L. > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Mail > >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > > >Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the > >Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > > >To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: M13
I recall comparing some Vandoren sax MP facings to their brochure and concluding that they seem to be measuring to the very tip. Also, the facing lengths in the brochure were longer than what I was getting with a .0015" feeler. Made me think they were for a theoretical .000" feeler (the true tangent point). I have not made any comparisons recently. They generally have become less important to me over time. Occassionally a client wants something similar to "X". But soemthing in the ballpark that is done well will beat out on-spec done not-so-well. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
FROM: ko4py (ko4py)
SUBJECT: Re: M13
I play a M13 (with American "15" tuning A = 440hz, and profile 88), and have measured several (maybe 5 or 6) of them recently. It's a popular mouthpiece around here. All that I measured are within these specs: Tip: 106 to 109 / 0.042 to 0.043 Length of facing: 21.5 to 22.5 mm Radius of curvature: 8.7 to 9.3 inches (best circular fit) All the ones I have measured are slightly more open on the right side than the left side. Typically the readings are something like this (for the left ... right side is about 1 scale mark or 0.5mm more open). 0.0015 @ 35.0 to 37.5 0.010 @ 21.0 to 21.5 0.024 @ 10.0 to 12.0 0.034 @ 3.0 to 4.0 Tip 106 to 109 I found one with a flat spot. It's sound was noticably inferior to others without flat spots. I also found that the tables of these are sometimes not flat (some have a high spot), and they play better (more reed-friendly, and better response) after flattening the table. This can typically be done without any change in the readings. - B Smith - --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Ley" <keith_ley@h...> wrote: > > > > Thw WW&BW chart lists a M13 as a .040" tip opening. I may have an > >older > > > > Mine is about 8 years old and measures .043 with Steve's gage, but it's a > "Profile 88" Model M13 so it maybe a little different. > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > >Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 757 > >Date: 16 May 2005 15:12:55 -0000 > > > > > >There are 2 messages in this issue. > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@y...> > > 2. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:38:34 -0000 > > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@y...> > >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > >I have access to new Vandoren pieces, and I may already have some M13 > >lyre specs. > > > >The chart with clarinet facings that was compiled from data I posted > >here has the regular M13 on it. > > > > > >--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > >wrote: > > > Vandoren brochure that has the specs. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:41:03 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > >I have a chart I printed from IntMusicalSupplies a few years ago. It lists > >a M13L as 1.03mm tip and 36 L. > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Mail > >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > > >Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the > >Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > > >To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: M13
Brent, do your M13s have a Lyre symbol on it? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
FROM: ko4py (ko4py)
SUBJECT: Re: M13
I apologize for my confusion, of course, the following should say M15 with American "13" pitch. The numbers are correct, but the identification was all messed up in the original message. Sorry. --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "ko4py" <brent_smith@n...> wrote: > I play a M13 (with American "15" tuning A = 440hz, and profile 88), > and have measured several (maybe 5 or 6) of them recently. It's a > popular mouthpiece around here. All that I measured are within these > specs: > > Tip: 106 to 109 / 0.042 to 0.043 > Length of facing: 21.5 to 22.5 mm > Radius of curvature: 8.7 to 9.3 inches (best circular fit) > > All the ones I have measured are slightly more open on the right side > than the left side. Typically the readings are something like this > (for the left ... right side is about 1 scale mark or 0.5mm more open). > > 0.0015 @ 35.0 to 37.5 > 0.010 @ 21.0 to 21.5 > 0.024 @ 10.0 to 12.0 > 0.034 @ 3.0 to 4.0 > Tip 106 to 109 > > I found one with a flat spot. It's sound was noticably inferior to > others without flat spots. I also found that the tables of these are > sometimes not flat (some have a high spot), and they play better (more > reed-friendly, and better response) after flattening the table. This > can typically be done without any change in the readings. > > - B Smith - > > > > > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Ley" <keith_ley@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > Thw WW&BW chart lists a M13 as a .040" tip opening. I may have an > > >older > > > > > > > Mine is about 8 years old and measures .043 with Steve's gage, but > it's a > > "Profile 88" Model M13 so it maybe a little different. > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > >Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 757 > > >Date: 16 May 2005 15:12:55 -0000 > > > > > > > > >There are 2 messages in this issue. > > > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > > > 1. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@y...> > > > 2. Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Message: 1 > > > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:38:34 -0000 > > > From: "merlin_williams_toronto" <fred_bloggs_ca@y...> > > >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > > > >I have access to new Vandoren pieces, and I may already have some M13 > > >lyre specs. > > > > > >The chart with clarinet facings that was compiled from data I posted > > >here has the regular M13 on it. > > > > > > > > >--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > > >wrote: > > > > Vandoren brochure that has the specs. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Message: 2 > > > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:41:03 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> > > >Subject: Re: VanDoren M13 Lyre (clarinet) > > > > > >I have a chart I printed from IntMusicalSupplies a few years ago. > It lists > > >a M13L as 1.03mm tip and 36 L. > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Mail > > >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > > >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to > MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to > see the > > >Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > > > > >To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > >