Mouthpiece Work / Radial vs Other Curves
FROM: ko4py (ko4py)
SUBJECT: Radial vs Other Curves
I have been seeing comments about radial vs parabolic vs eliptical facings. For clarinet facings at least there is very, very little difference between the three. For example, using a typical tip opening of 110 (that's 1.10 mm = 0.04331 inches) and a facing length of 20mm (thats a scale reading of 40, or 0.7874 inches), the feeler gage scale readings would be as follows. This is a facing with a 7.18 inch radius (for the circular curve). <<<<<<<<<<< SCALE READINGS >>>>>>>>>>>> Gage Circle Parabola Ellipse(2:1 aspect ratio) ------ ------ -------- ------------------------- 0.0015 32.54 32.56 32.55 0.010 20.76 20.78 20.77 0.024 10.20 10.22 10.22 0.034 4.55 4.56 4.55 This shows that the differences mighty small. From my experience grinding telescope mirrors, the difference between circle and parabolic curves is ignored for mirrors with a high f number (f = focal length divided by diameter). You can see why from the above table because, in this case, the f number for the circular curve would be the radius of the circle divided by the length of the facing, which gives a f number over 9, which is high. The maximum deviation between the three curves shown above is only 0.02 scale unit which is about 0.0004 inches. I bet that's on the same order of magnitude as the thermal expansion of the mouthpiece as it warms up. Does anyone have a feeling about differences of 4/1000 inch? Do they actually make a significant difference, as long as the facing is a smooth arc with no flat spots? If anyone wants to see the spreadsheet that calculates these facing readings for each type of curve (circle, parabola and ellipse), let me know and I'll upload it. - B Smith -
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Radial vs Other Curves
Good stuff Brent. It is not significant for clarinet curves since the tip openings are small and the facing lengths are short. But I think clarinet facers exagerate the parabolic curve. It probably is closer to a higher power, but they are just guestimating a curve that flattens out near the tip. Now for a sax, you can find some elliptical curves but the axis is reversed from what you calculated. They are flatter near the table and more curved near the tip. The major axis can be 4-5X the minor axis. I've seen some 8-9X but they play with too much resistance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com