Mouthpiece Work / Regarding 'DETOUR' discussion betweenToby and Aniewood
FROM: axakov (axakov)
SUBJECT: Regarding 'DETOUR' discussion betweenToby and Aniewood
Senators: Accidently I've started my learning of refacing technique by reading this dispute (December 2004). I would like to add some comments. They may look naive for you, gugus, sorry. I've studied hydrodynamics 20 years ago and still have some memories. Common rule is that chaotic detours start for sure if the channel opens more then 12 degrees. So there is a bunch of detours in ANY mouthpiece, swirling flows, etc. Shortly speaking- there is a full chaos there, no reason for a dispute. I've tried comparison of spectras of couple Mouthpieces and found that there is another real mess there, hundreds of piks, not much predictable. I've dropped this activity after I found that sound sample from internet recorded in .mp3 has the whole range of 'middle- high' frequencies missing completely but sound did not loose its quality. I've used recommended trial version of 'CoolEdit 96' software. After all, I would vote for intuitive approach and practical advices of players. With Best Regards Dmitri
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Regarding 'DETOUR' discussion betweenToby and Aniewood
Hi Dimitri,
I didn't mean to start a dispute with Adam, I just wanted to point out that since you have standing waves happening in the mpc you can't really think of it like a normal laminar flow. I figure that the better picture you have of what is happening in there in your head, the better your intuitions are going to be.
I agree that the dynamics are so complicated that it is very difficult to model what is happening inside a mpc on a computer, so seat-of-the-pants intuition and empirical experimenting are still (and probably always will be) the order of the day.
One other problem you will have in analyzing mp3s taken off the internet is that you have no control of the mic position, the mic itself, the sax, the reed, the player, or of the ambient reflections. Without standardizing those variables you don't stand a chance of coming up with any meaningful results re: mpc variations IMO.
Toby
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From: axakov
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:04 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Regarding 'DETOUR' discussion betweenToby and Aniewood
Senators:
Accidently I've started my learning of refacing technique by
reading this dispute (December 2004). I would like to add some
comments. They may look naive for you, gugus, sorry.
I've studied hydrodynamics 20 years ago and still have some
memories. Common rule is that chaotic detours start for sure if the
channel opens more then 12 degrees. So there is a bunch of detours in
ANY mouthpiece, swirling flows, etc. Shortly speaking- there is a
full chaos there, no reason for a dispute.
I've tried comparison of spectras of couple Mouthpieces and found
that there is another real mess there, hundreds of piks, not much
predictable. I've dropped this activity after I found that sound
sample from internet recorded in .mp3 has the whole range of 'middle-
high' frequencies missing completely but sound did not loose its
quality. I've used recommended trial version of 'CoolEdit 96'
software.
After all, I would vote for intuitive approach and practical advices
of players.
With Best Regards
Dmitri
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FROM: axakov (axakov)
SUBJECT: Re: Regarding 'DETOUR' discussion betweenToby and Aniewood
Toby, I agree completely. Progress is made by intuition armed with a science. --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Toby" <kymarto123@y...> wrote: > Hi Dimitri, > > I didn't mean to start a dispute with Adam, I just wanted to point out that since you have standing waves happening in the mpc you can't really think of it like a normal laminar flow. I figure that the better picture you have of what is happening in there in your head, the better your intuitions are going to be. > > I agree that the dynamics are so complicated that it is very difficult to model what is happening inside a mpc on a computer, so seat-of-the-pants intuition and empirical experimenting are still (and probably always will be) the order of the day. > > One other problem you will have in analyzing mp3s taken off the internet is that you have no control of the mic position, the mic itself, the sax, the reed, the player, or of the ambient reflections. Without standardizing those variables you don't stand a chance of coming up with any meaningful results re: mpc variations IMO. > > Toby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: axakov > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:04 AM > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Regarding 'DETOUR' discussion betweenToby and Aniewood > > > > Senators: > Accidently I've started my learning of refacing technique by > reading this dispute (December 2004). I would like to add some > comments. They may look naive for you, gugus, sorry. > I've studied hydrodynamics 20 years ago and still have some > memories. Common rule is that chaotic detours start for sure if the > channel opens more then 12 degrees. So there is a bunch of detours in > ANY mouthpiece, swirling flows, etc. Shortly speaking- there is a > full chaos there, no reason for a dispute. > > I've tried comparison of spectras of couple Mouthpieces and found > that there is another real mess there, hundreds of piks, not much > predictable. I've dropped this activity after I found that sound > sample from internet recorded in .mp3 has the whole range of 'middle- > high' frequencies missing completely but sound did not loose its > quality. I've used recommended trial version of 'CoolEdit 96' > software. > > After all, I would vote for intuitive approach and practical advices > of players. > > With Best Regards > Dmitri > > > > > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.