Mouthpiece Work / Re: Digest Number 610
FROM: capnjeffus (Jeff & Joan Turner)
SUBJECT: Re: Digest Number 610
Paul, The light cured composite resin is indeed the stuff your dentist cures with a blue laser -- but you don't need a laser to cure it. Actually room light will cure the resin but it takes a long time. Curing time is directly proportional to intensity of the source. The light source most commonly used is a quartz bulb. In the dental office, because the light is so tightly focused, using protective shield is recommended. Of course, they make units specifically for curing resin -- they start about $200 but any intense full spectrum light will work. Different initiators -- the chemical compounds added to facilitate the cure of the resin -- are sensitive to different bands of the spectrum. Most seem to prefer the "high frequency" end hence the "blue laser" Although the material would be very good for the purpose of restoring mouthpieces, I was really just joking about it because the cost would be prohibitive. The material is expensive, the curing light is expensive and the finishing and polishing material is expensive. But if you happened to already have the stuff... Dan, If your repair seems solid, I'd leave it alone. Dentist and labs use a technique known as "microetching" to provide mechanical retention for resins. This amounts to either a mini sand blaster or acid bath. Both provide an extremely fine "patina-like" finish but it is enough for the resin to "grab". My point is, the stuff can get ahold of very little and be fine. Having typed that, more retention is usually better. The contact cement provides an "adhesion", but it is not a true bond. Adhesion and chemical bond are physically different joints. Adhesion generally works best when you have a gloss finished surface like polished stainless steel. None the less, adhesion generally has less strength than chemical bonding. In regards to chips and tip damage, that is where the resin material works best, in my opinion. The orthodontic acrylic that most of you seem to be using is very strong even when thin. However, this is an area where some mechanical retention is a good idea. I suggest preparing some fine grooves or undercuts in the base of the defect for the repair material to "lock" into. The folks at Schein dental can hook you up with some dental laboratory burs that will work in a Dremel or similar tool. A 1/2 round or #33 inverted cone shape are ideal for this. Again the light cured resin is better when thin but then, the start up cost would be prohibitive for most folks. On the other hand, if you have a good friend who is a dentist, maybe... Dr. T ================ MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com wrote: >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:22:19 -0600 > From: Jeff & Joan Turner <capjeff@...> >Subject: Re: Acrylic biteplate > >I've been following this discussion in regards to using dental acrylic for repairs and reconstruction of mouthpieces... >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:18:19 -0600 > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...> >Subject: Re: Re: Acrylic biteplate > >Dr. Turner... is this "light cured composite resin" the stuff my dentist >cures with a blue laser? > >(Really, guys, he puts on tinted goggles to do this.) > >Paul Coats >========================== > >Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:12:18 -0600 > From: Dan Torosian <dtorosian@...> >Subject: Re: Re: Acrylic biteplate > >Jeff & Joan Turner wrote: > > >>Using acrylic with non acrylic materials requires mechanical retention because there is no true "bond" between the materials. >> >> >Thanks for the info. > >Do you think I should try to pry the new biteplate off of the stainless >steel and contact-cement it in instead, or just leave it alone if it >seems solid? > >Have you used acrylic to repair chips and other damage around the edges >of the mouthpiece? Is it sturdy enough when it gets thin (like at the >tip)? I have only used it to fill in tooth gouges or to make a biteplate. > >Dan > >