Mouthpiece Work / Photos of hand finishing a Buescher Sop Sax MP blank
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Photos of hand finishing a Buescher Sop Sax MP blank
I just created 47 photos of my work to create a player out of one of 
these blanks that were sold on eBay.  There is a link to them on my 
Mouthpiece page and also below:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kwbradbury/album?.diru74&.src=ph&stor
e=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

I recommend running a slideshow either automatically or manually.

These pieces are great for the anti-KennyG sound.
FROM: saxisalive (Luke Puskaric)
SUBJECT: Re: Photos of hand finishing a Buescher Sop Sax MP blank
Excellent.  Very good as a step-by-step tutorial for those of us who are just learning.  Now I just need a few more tools and better measuring practices.

Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:
I just created 47 photos of my work to create a player out of one of 
these blanks that were sold on eBay.  There is a link to them on my 
Mouthpiece page and also below:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kwbradbury/album?.diru74&.src=ph&stor
e=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

I recommend running a slideshow either automatically or manually.

These pieces are great for the anti-KennyG sound.



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FROM: dantorosian (Dan Torosian)
SUBJECT: Re: Photos of hand finishing a Buescher Sop Sax MP blank
This html message parsed with html2text ---------------------------Yes - most informative. Thanks, Keith. Any further developments on the group
purchase of computer-manufactured blanks? I would be interested in some tenor
pieces to work on.  
  
Dan  
  
Luke Puskaric wrote:  

> Excellent. Very good as a step-by-step tutorial for those of us who are just
> learning. Now I just need a few more tools and better measuring practices.
>
>  
>  **_Keith Bradbury[](mailto:kwbradbury@...)_** wrote:
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>> `I just created 47 photos of my work to create a player out of one of  
>  these blanks that were sold on eBay. There is a link to them on my  
>  Mouthpiece page and also below:  
>  
>
> [http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kwbradbury/album?.diru74&.src=ph&stor;](http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kwbradbury/album?.diru74&.src=ph&stor)  
>  e=&prodid;=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos..yahoo.com/ph//my_photos  
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
So far, I do not think there has not been enough interest to get the cost
down.  I would like to order at least 20.

I tried to get the program to rough in a reed curve at the tip, but I have
not been able to get it to do what I want.  It does not take much to hand
file a good tip curve.


		
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FROM: mikeruhl (mikeruhl)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
How many do you still need to get to 20?  I may be able to go in for 
2 or 3.

Mike

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury 
<kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> So far, I do not think there has not been enough interest to get 
the cost
> down.  I would like to order at least 20.
> 
> I tried to get the program to rough in a reed curve at the tip, but 
I have
> not been able to get it to do what I want.  It does not take much 
to hand
> file a good tip curve.
> 
> 
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FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> So far, I do not think there has not been enough
> interest to get the cost
> down.  I would like to order at least 20.
> 
> I tried to get the program to rough in a reed curve
> at the tip, but I have
> not been able to get it to do what I want.  It does
> not take much to hand
> file a good tip curve.
> 
> Hi:
How much are they?  I just bought a couple of half
round diamond encrusted files, and am ready to put
them to work.

Bob
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FROM: pjhmusic2004 (peterhepplewhite@...)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
I would definately take a couple of Tenor Blanks
Best Regards
Peter
FROM: dugsax (douglas neale)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
I'm in for a definite one...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Bradbury 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM
  Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachine tenor blanks


  I wrote back on 9/14/04: I think the quotes are reasonable. Two CNC 
  made blanks will cost
  $105 each. 5 will be $51 each. 10 = $31 and 20 = $21. These are
  brass blanks. You can get 10 non-CNC clear Acrylic blanks for $17
  each.

  Interest has been:

  <rbooth@...>  2-3 tenors

  douglas neale <dugsax@...>  1?

  "sjrosner" <sjrosner@...>  a few

  "mikeruhl" <meruhl@...>  2-3

  dan lunsford <bluesnote2000@...> some

  <peterhepplewhite@...>  2

  MojoBari 2-3

  So it looks like we have interest in 12-17.  To get down to $21 each 
  for a brass blank, we need to order 20.  s/h will be a few bucks 
  too.  I can get a quote for any number.  15 will be somewhere between 
  $21 and $31 each. Probably $24-25 which is not too bad.

  Also, I can alter the design a little, but not much without a lot of 
  grief.  I was think of duckbilling it more gradually.  But the deck 
  still is limited to being flat across the piece.



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FROM: r1l2h32000 (Ralph Hopper)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
You can add my name for 3 in this price range, can't be beat.

Thanks

Ralph
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-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Bradbury [mailto:kwbradbury@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:16 PM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachine tenor blanks

I wrote back on 9/14/04: I think the quotes are reasonable. Two CNC 
made blanks will cost
$105 each. 5 will be $51 each. 10 = $31 and 20 = $21. These are
brass blanks. You can get 10 non-CNC clear Acrylic blanks for $17
each.

Interest has been:

<rbooth@...>  2-3 tenors

douglas neale <dugsax@...>  1?

"sjrosner" <sjrosner@...>  a few

"mikeruhl" <meruhl@...>  2-3

dan lunsford <bluesnote2000@...> some

<peterhepplewhite@...>  2

MojoBari 2-3

So it looks like we have interest in 12-17.  To get down to $21 each 
for a brass blank, we need to order 20.  s/h will be a few bucks 
too.  I can get a quote for any number.  15 will be somewhere between 
$21 and $31 each. Probably $24-25 which is not too bad.

Also, I can alter the design a little, but not much without a lot of 
grief.  I was think of duckbilling it more gradually.  But the deck 
still is limited to being flat across the piece.




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FROM: jgoeckermann (Jim Goeckermann)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
I will spring for one of the brass tenor blanks too if it is$ 21 and 
shipping.... Thanks for posting the great pictures of the manufacturing  
process. I would like to give it a try, and I can't hurt much at these 
prices. Please remind me of the commercial mouthpiece that the blanks 
are closest to. Thanks, Jim

douglas neale wrote:

> I'm in for a definite one...
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Keith Bradbury <mailto:kwbradbury@...>
>     To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
>     Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM
>     Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachine tenor blanks
>
>     I wrote back on 9/14/04: I think the quotes are reasonable. Two CNC
>     made blanks will cost
>     $105 each. 5 will be $51 each. 10 = $31 and 20 = $21. These are
>     brass blanks. You can get 10 non-CNC clear Acrylic blanks for $17
>     each.
>
>     Interest has been:
>
>     <rbooth@... <mailto:rbooth@...>>  2-3 tenors
>
>     douglas neale <dugsax@... <mailto:dugsax@...>>  1?
>
>     "sjrosner" <sjrosner@... <mailto:sjrosner@...>>  a few
>
>     "mikeruhl" <meruhl@...>  2-3
>
>     dan lunsford <bluesnote2000@...> some
>
>     <peterhepplewhite@...>  2
>
>     MojoBari 2-3
>
>     So it looks like we have interest in 12-17.  To get down to $21 each
>     for a brass blank, we need to order 20.  s/h will be a few bucks
>     too.  I can get a quote for any number.  15 will be somewhere between
>     $21 and $31 each. Probably $24-25 which is not too bad.
>
>     Also, I can alter the design a little, but not much without a lot of
>     grief.  I was think of duckbilling it more gradually.  But the deck
>     still is limited to being flat across the piece.
>
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
They are most similar to a Runyon Quantum, but there is a little bit of
Ponzol M1 in there too.



		
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FROM: mdc5220 (michael d. collins)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
MOJO, please put me down for two (2) tenor blanks, thank you.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: douglas neale 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachine tenor blanks


  I'm in for a definite one...
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Keith Bradbury 
    To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM
    Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachine tenor blanks


    I wrote back on 9/14/04: I think the quotes are reasonable. Two CNC 
    made blanks will cost
    $105 each. 5 will be $51 each. 10 = $31 and 20 = $21. These are
    brass blanks. You can get 10 non-CNC clear Acrylic blanks for $17
    each.

    Interest has been:

    <rbooth@...>  2-3 tenors

    douglas neale <dugsax@...>  1?

    "sjrosner" <sjrosner@...>  a few

    "mikeruhl" <meruhl@...>  2-3

    dan lunsford <bluesnote2000@...> some

    <peterhepplewhite@...>  2

    MojoBari 2-3

    So it looks like we have interest in 12-17.  To get down to $21 each 
    for a brass blank, we need to order 20.  s/h will be a few bucks 
    too.  I can get a quote for any number.  15 will be somewhere between 
    $21 and $31 each. Probably $24-25 which is not too bad.

    Also, I can alter the design a little, but not much without a lot of 
    grief.  I was think of duckbilling it more gradually.  But the deck 
    still is limited to being flat across the piece.



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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
Mojo, I'll take three brass blanks if we can get it the quantity up and 
price down to $21 ea.

Contact me directly about payment details.

Thanks

Paul Coats



Keith Bradbury wrote:

> I wrote back on 9/14/04: I think the quotes are reasonable. Two CNC
> made blanks will cost
> $105 each. 5 will be $51 each. 10 = $31 and 20 = $21. These are
> brass blanks. You can get 10 non-CNC clear Acrylic blanks for $17
> each.
>
> Interest has been:
>
> <rbooth@...>  2-3 tenors
>
> douglas neale <dugsax@...>  1?
>
> "sjrosner" <sjrosner@...>  a few
>
> "mikeruhl" <meruhl@...>  2-3
>
> dan lunsford <bluesnote2000@...> some
>
> <peterhepplewhite@...>  2
>
> MojoBari 2-3
>
> So it looks like we have interest in 12-17.  To get down to $21 each
> for a brass blank, we need to order 20.  s/h will be a few bucks
> too.  I can get a quote for any number.  15 will be somewhere between
> $21 and $31 each. Probably $24-25 which is not too bad.
>
> Also, I can alter the design a little, but not much without a lot of
> grief.  I was think of duckbilling it more gradually.  But the deck
> still is limited to being flat across the piece.
>
>
>
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
You guys surprised me!  We are in the 33-38 range now and the price 
will be below $20 each + s/h.

I'm thinking of leaving the beak flat since it will be easier for any 
of us who may want to glue on a tooth deck for comfort.

Also, be aware that there is some risk involved here.  The tolerances 
are in the .003"-.005" range at these prices.  I'll explore how much 
the price goes up for tighter tolerances, but the first priority is 
to keep the cost down.

Also, the surface finish may not be great.  This means more hand 
finishing.  I'll read the fine print and see what we are in for.

If I can tighten the specs and keep us around $20 each I'll do it.
FROM: dantorosian (Dan Torosian)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
Keith - I would also take 2 at that price.

Dan

Keith Bradbury wrote:

>You guys surprised me!  We are in the 33-38 range now and the price 
>will be below $20 each + s/h.
>
>I'm thinking of leaving the beak flat since it will be easier for any 
>of us who may want to glue on a tooth deck for comfort.
>
>Also, be aware that there is some risk involved here.  The tolerances 
>are in the .003"-.005" range at these prices.  I'll explore how much 
>the price goes up for tighter tolerances, but the first priority is 
>to keep the cost down.
>
>Also, the surface finish may not be great.  This means more hand 
>finishing.  I'll read the fine print and see what we are in for.
>
>If I can tighten the specs and keep us around $20 each I'll do it.
>
>
>
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FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
--- Dan Torosian <dtorosian@...> wrote:

> Keith - I would also take 2 at that price.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Keith Bradbury wrote:
> 
> >You guys surprised me!  We are in the 33-38 range
> now and the price 
> >will be below $20 each + s/h.
> >
> >I'm thinking of leaving the beak flat since it will
> be easier for any 
> >of us who may want to glue on a tooth deck for
> comfort.
> >
> >Also, be aware that there is some risk involved
> here.  The tolerances 
> >are in the .003"-.005" range at these prices.  I'll
> explore how much 
> >the price goes up for tighter tolerances, but the
> first priority is 
> >to keep the cost down.
> >
> >Also, the surface finish may not be great.  This
> means more hand 
> >finishing.  I'll read the fine print and see what
> we are in for.
> >
> >If I can tighten the specs and keep us around $20
> each I'll do it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Hi:

I think I would take 2.  Please keep me posted.

Bob Knapp
> > 
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, dan lunsford 
<bluesnote2000@y...> wrote:

> 
> I think I would take 2.  Please keep me posted.
> 
> Bob Knapp

Is Bob Knapp and dan lunsford the same person?  I already had dan 
down for 2-3.
FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, dan lunsford 
> <bluesnote2000@y...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I think I would take 2.  Please keep me posted.
> > 
> > Bob Knapp
> 
> Is Bob Knapp and dan lunsford the same person?  I
> already had dan 
> down for 2-3.
> 
> Hi:

Soory about that.  Dan and I were in business
together, and he paased away.  I need to get another
yahoo account, but have not.  Please note I have
another email address which is NAPPROBERT@....

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FROM: mikeruhl (Mike Ruhl)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachine tenor blanks
I'm definitely in for 3.  For that price, it doesn't matter to me about the 
tolerances.  Cost is my main priority.  And thanks for doing the leg work!

Mike


>From: "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
>Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachine tenor blanks
>Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:15:50 -0000
>
>You guys surprised me!  We are in the 33-38 range now and the price
>will be below $20 each + s/h.
>
>I'm thinking of leaving the beak flat since it will be easier for any
>of us who may want to glue on a tooth deck for comfort.
>
>Also, be aware that there is some risk involved here.  The tolerances
>are in the .003"-.005" range at these prices.  I'll explore how much
>the price goes up for tighter tolerances, but the first priority is
>to keep the cost down.
>
>Also, the surface finish may not be great.  This means more hand
>finishing.  I'll read the fine print and see what we are in for.
>
>If I can tighten the specs and keep us around $20 each I'll do it.
>
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
FYI, I got the idea to design a tooth deck insert made of some kind 
of plastic that would glue right on the deck.  The bad news is the 
cost was ~$10 each.   A more frugal solution would be for me to 
supply a 1/8" thick patch of black plastic with the piece for this 
purpose.  Cost would be about $.30 each.  

I was thinking of Delrin, but it may be tough to glue in place.  
Anyone up on safe platics to consider.  I was going to by a strip 
from McMaster-Carr and divvy it up.  A lot of what they have is white 
or clear.  I would prefer black.

Another step we will need to deal with is plating.  I could get the 
blanks plated with Silver or Nickle for ~$1.75 if it is done before 
delivery.  But they will get messed up as the pieces are finished by 
us.  So I do not think this is worth the $.

I'm probably going to get them buffed to a mirror finish. This will 
round the sharp edges slightly and may save us all some exterior 
work.  This only cost a few cents, so we are still looking at $20 or 
less plus s/h.

I'll probably place the order within the next week or two.  Then it 
would be 3-4 weeks delivery.  I may try one more time to get an 
initial reed shape on the tip.  But the software may not allow me to 
do it.
FROM: sjrosner (sjrosner)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Keith,
Have you ever considered just making the piece flat brass and always 
using a tooth patch (I use the Vandorens)...Sometimes I wonder if 
these inserts are worth all the trouble. Just as a point of interest, 
how many of us always use a toothpatch? 

jeff

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury" 
<kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> FYI, I got the idea to design a tooth deck insert made of some kind 
> of plastic that would glue right on the deck.  The bad news is the 
> cost was ~$10 each.   A more frugal solution would be for me to 
> supply a 1/8" thick patch of black plastic with the piece for this 
> purpose.  Cost would be about $.30 each.  
> 
> I was thinking of Delrin, but it may be tough to glue in place.  
> Anyone up on safe platics to consider.  I was going to by a strip 
> from McMaster-Carr and divvy it up.  A lot of what they have is 
white 
> or clear.  I would prefer black.
> 
> Another step we will need to deal with is plating.  I could get the 
> blanks plated with Silver or Nickle for ~$1.75 if it is done before 
> delivery.  But they will get messed up as the pieces are finished 
by 
> us.  So I do not think this is worth the $.
> 
> I'm probably going to get them buffed to a mirror finish. This will 
> round the sharp edges slightly and may save us all some exterior 
> work.  This only cost a few cents, so we are still looking at $20 
or 
> less plus s/h.
> 
> I'll probably place the order within the next week or two.  Then it 
> would be 3-4 weeks delivery.  I may try one more time to get an 
> initial reed shape on the tip.  But the software may not allow me 
to 
> do it.
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Perhaps we can all mail to Keith after we finish our work, and Keith 
have them plated (let me suggest nickel rather than chrome).  For teeth 
insert, why not simply use a clear stick on patch?  These are rather 
thin but do not cut through easily.  For me they last for years.  The 
only reason I remove them is to clean crud around the edge, scrub well, 
then replace with a new one.  Cheap and easy.

Paul Coats

Keith Bradbury wrote:

> FYI, I got the idea to design a tooth deck insert made of some kind
> of plastic that would glue right on the deck.  The bad news is the
> cost was ~$10 each.   A more frugal solution would be for me to
> supply a 1/8" thick patch of black plastic with the piece for this
> purpose.  Cost would be about $.30 each. 
>
> I was thinking of Delrin, but it may be tough to glue in place. 
> Anyone up on safe platics to consider.  I was going to by a strip
> from McMaster-Carr and divvy it up.  A lot of what they have is white
> or clear.  I would prefer black.
>
> Another step we will need to deal with is plating.  I could get the
> blanks plated with Silver or Nickle for ~$1.75 if it is done before
> delivery.  But they will get messed up as the pieces are finished by
> us.  So I do not think this is worth the $.
>
> I'm probably going to get them buffed to a mirror finish. This will
> round the sharp edges slightly and may save us all some exterior
> work.  This only cost a few cents, so we are still looking at $20 or
> less plus s/h.
>
> I'll probably place the order within the next week or two.  Then it
> would be 3-4 weeks delivery.  I may try one more time to get an
> initial reed shape on the tip.  But the software may not allow me to
> do it. 
>
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
I always use a thin clear mylar patch.  It is not thick and spongy like 
the black rubber patches, but is not hard like the plastic or hard 
rubber beak.  Gives me a little bit of grip.  And they seem to last a 
very long while, unlike the rubber patches.

Paul



sjrosner wrote:

>
> Keith,
> Have you ever considered just making the piece flat brass and always
> using a tooth patch (I use the Vandorens)...Sometimes I wonder if
> these inserts are worth all the trouble. Just as a point of interest,
> how many of us always use a toothpatch?
>
> jeff
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury"
> <kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> > FYI, I got the idea to design a tooth deck insert made of some kind
> > of plastic that would glue right on the deck.  The bad news is the
> > cost was ~$10 each.   A more frugal solution would be for me to
> > supply a 1/8" thick patch of black plastic with the piece for this
> > purpose.  Cost would be about $.30 each. 
> >
> > I was thinking of Delrin, but it may be tough to glue in place. 
> > Anyone up on safe platics to consider.  I was going to by a strip
> > from McMaster-Carr and divvy it up.  A lot of what they have is
> white
> > or clear.  I would prefer black.
> >
> > Another step we will need to deal with is plating.  I could get the
> > blanks plated with Silver or Nickle for ~$1.75 if it is done before
> > delivery.  But they will get messed up as the pieces are finished
> by
> > us.  So I do not think this is worth the $.
> >
> > I'm probably going to get them buffed to a mirror finish. This will
> > round the sharp edges slightly and may save us all some exterior
> > work.  This only cost a few cents, so we are still looking at $20
> or
> > less plus s/h.
> >
> > I'll probably place the order within the next week or two.  Then it
> > would be 3-4 weeks delivery.  I may try one more time to get an
> > initial reed shape on the tip.  But the software may not allow me
> to
> > do it.
>
>
>
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
I'll raise the deck a little.  It still needs to be flat as per a
limitation in the eMachineShop system.  One could use 1-2 patches or a
deck.  I'm leaning towards a deck since it will be easier to contour the
top of it for comfort that reworking the brass deck.

I tried but I can not get the tip the way I wanted.  I was able to curve
some of the other corners.  I'll post some new pics Sunday.  Look for the
Brass color on a Blue background.


		
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FROM: mikeruhl (Mike Ruhl)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Keith,

The changes look great.  And I'm fine with the tip shape.  Thanks for all 
the hard work!

Mike


>From: Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...>
>Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
>Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:36:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>I'll raise the deck a little.  It still needs to be flat as per a
>limitation in the eMachineShop system.  One could use 1-2 patches or a
>deck.  I'm leaning towards a deck since it will be easier to contour the
>top of it for comfort that reworking the brass deck.
>
>I tried but I can not get the tip the way I wanted.  I was able to curve
>some of the other corners.  I'll post some new pics Sunday.  Look for the
>Brass color on a Blue background.
>
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FROM: sjrosner (sjrosner)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Keith,
When you say 'a deck' are you thinking like the old Brillhart pieces 
with a large plastic/rubber piece on the top of the beak that gets 
shaped, rather than shaping the brass?

jeff

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury 
<kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> I'll raise the deck a little.  It still needs to be flat as per a
> limitation in the eMachineShop system.  One could use 1-2 patches 
or a
> deck.  I'm leaning towards a deck since it will be easier to 
contour the
> top of it for comfort that reworking the brass deck.
> 
> I tried but I can not get the tip the way I wanted.  I was able to 
curve
> some of the other corners.  I'll post some new pics Sunday.  Look 
for the
> Brass color on a Blue background.
> 
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
I was thinking of a 1/8" thick deck similar to the old Brilhart LAs.  But
the latest design is high enough I think a tooth patch may be all that is
needed.  

Another advantage to the current design is that there is more room to lower
the baffle if desired.  The blanks will come with a fairly high baffle. 
The software will not allow me to angle it to lower it some.  I can machine
steps and grooves in it, but they add to the cost and limit options
available to whomever is finishing the piece.

One last thing I need to fix is the width of the window and outside rails
near the tip.  They are a bit too wide for a tenor reed as they are.  After
I tweek the design for this, I think it will be ready to place an order.


		
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FROM: danielmarsteller (dandjmars@...)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Keith - Please add 2 blanks to your order list for me.

Thanks,
Dan Marsteller
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
I just added photos of the "Mojo23" mouthpiece blank to the Photos - 
CAD section.  I'll do a few more checks on the reed fit but I think 
this one is "it".  

The window length is 1/4" shorter and is more typical of tenor MPs 
now.  I added a small second bullet-like relief in the throat.  Looks 
kinda cool but the main purpose is to mark where I think the baffle 
should ramp down to from the tip.  I plan to hand file mine down to 
that level (its another .100" down).

FYI the inside is tapered by 1 deg on the sides.  The outside is 2 
degs.  The tip opening should be about .095", but this needs to be 
finished by hand to create a tip rail to match a reed curve.

I do not have a plating source established.  We'll have to share 
experiances here down the road.

I'm sure I have 20-30 hours of learning curve and design time into 
this thing.  Most of it was fun.
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
I placed an order! Delivery should be around 11/8/04.  The shop is in 
northern NJ, so s/h is not bad to me.  However, I need to pay in-
state sales tax on the order.

If all goes well, price should be $20 each.  I should be able to do 
s/h for $5 in the US and $7 international per order.  This covers 
packaging and offsets other costs I will incur.

Payment may be made by check, MO to
Keith W. Bradbury
2925 Crane St.
Vineland NJ 08361

or Paypal to MojoMouthpieceWork@...

Those who expressed interest get first crack at the quantities they 
indicated.  A few weeks after I get them I will put any extras up for 
sale.
FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> 
> I placed an order! Delivery should be around
> 11/8/04.  The shop is in 
> northern NJ, so s/h is not bad to me.  However, I
> need to pay in-
> state sales tax on the order.
> 
> If all goes well, price should be $20 each.  I
> should be able to do 
> s/h for $5 in the US and $7 international per order.
>  This covers 
> packaging and offsets other costs I will incur.
> 
> Payment may be made by check, MO to
> Keith W. Bradbury
> 2925 Crane St.
> Vineland NJ 08361
> 
> or Paypal to MojoMouthpieceWork@...
> 
> Those who expressed interest get first crack at the
> quantities they 
> indicated.  A few weeks after I get them I will put
> any extras up for 
> sale.
> 
> 
> 
> Hey:

Let me know when they come in ,and will take 2.  Will
probably send a money order,

Bob



		
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FROM: mikeruhl (Mike Ruhl)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Just curious - how many did we end up ordering?

Mike


>From: "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
>Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:03:43 -0000
>
>
>
>I placed an order! Delivery should be around 11/8/04.  The shop is in
>northern NJ, so s/h is not bad to me.  However, I need to pay in-
>state sales tax on the order.
>
>If all goes well, price should be $20 each.  I should be able to do
>s/h for $5 in the US and $7 international per order.  This covers
>packaging and offsets other costs I will incur.
>
>Payment may be made by check, MO to
>Keith W. Bradbury
>2925 Crane St.
>Vineland NJ 08361
>
>or Paypal to MojoMouthpieceWork@...
>
>Those who expressed interest get first crack at the quantities they
>indicated.  A few weeks after I get them I will put any extras up for
>sale.
>
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
>Just curious - how many did we end up ordering?

45 +/- 4 (they require some slop here). 

Interest was expressed for 37-40.



		
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FROM: stencilmann (stencilmann)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
I've been out of commission for a while and missed the whole group 
purchase. Keith, please let me know if you have a couple of extras or 
if you place another order. While I'm wanting tenor blanks, I'm more 
interested in doing altos.

Thanks,
Jon Lloyd (aka Stencilman)

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury 
<kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> >Just curious - how many did we end up ordering?
> 
> 45 +/- 4 (they require some slop here). 
> 
> Interest was expressed for 37-40.
> 
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SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "stencilmann" <jg_lloyd@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> I've been out of commission for a while and missed the whole group 
> purchase. Keith, please let me know if you have a couple of extras 

You are #2 and #3 on the Waiting list.  There is a good chance you'll 
get a couple.
FROM: jgoeckermann (Jim Goeckermann)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
I already paypalled $25 Keith for one of the blanks and shipping, but I 
am mainly interested in watching the process (and have 2 blanks I 
scrounged to fiddle with) so if one of you serious users would like 
mine, please feel free to "take over" my order if Keith approves.  No 
scalper's fees even! JimG (contact me offlist jim@...)

Keith Bradbury wrote:

>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "stencilmann" <jg_lloyd@s...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've been out of commission for a while and missed the whole group
> > purchase. Keith, please let me know if you have a couple of extras
>
> You are #2 and #3 on the Waiting list.  There is a good chance you'll
> get a couple.
>
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FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
--- Mike Ruhl <meruhl@...> wrote:

> Just curious - how many did we end up ordering?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> >From: "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
> >Reply-To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> >To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachineShop Tenor
> Blanks
> >Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:03:43 -0000
> >
> >
> >
> >I placed an order! Delivery should be around
> 11/8/04.  The shop is in
> >northern NJ, so s/h is not bad to me.  However, I
> need to pay in-
> >state sales tax on the order.
> >
> >If all goes well, price should be $20 each.  I
> should be able to do
> >s/h for $5 in the US and $7 international per
> order.  This covers
> >packaging and offsets other costs I will incur.
> >
> >Payment may be made by check, MO to
> >Keith W. Bradbury
> >2925 Crane St.
> >Vineland NJ 08361
> >
> >or Paypal to MojoMouthpieceWork@...
> >
> >Those who expressed interest get first crack at the
> quantities they
> >indicated.  A few weeks after I get them I will put
> any extras up for
> >sale.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I asked for two tenor blanks.  Should I send a check
now? (Shipping would be to zip code 37921, Knoxville,
Tennessee).  Would it be better to wait until they
come in?  Either way is cool.

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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Those who feel so moved may send payment now.  The ones that are paid for
will ship out first.



		
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SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Please send me your address and the price. Thanks, dugsax@...
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FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> Those who feel so moved may send payment now.  The
> ones that are paid for
> will ship out first.
> 
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Hi:

OK  Just give a total for two blanks with domestice
shipping, and will get a check right out.

Thanks,

BK



		
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FROM: r1l2h32000 (Ralph Hopper)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
Keith, I indicated I'd take 3 - if you let me know what the amounts are I'll
do a paypal thing right away.  Shipping is to Ottawa, Canada.

Ralph


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Bradbury [mailto:kwbradbury@...] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:04 PM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks



I placed an order! Delivery should be around 11/8/04.  The shop is in 
northern NJ, so s/h is not bad to me.  However, I need to pay in-
state sales tax on the order.

If all goes well, price should be $20 each.  I should be able to do 
s/h for $5 in the US and $7 international per order.  This covers 
packaging and offsets other costs I will incur.

Payment may be made by... 

or Paypal to MojoMouthpieceWork@...

Those who expressed interest get first crack at the quantities they 
indicated.  A few weeks after I get them I will put any extras up for 
sale.
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
The blanks are $20 each.

Shipping is $5 US, 

$7 International including Canada.

I may need to charge more s/h for Asia, but I'll take $7 for now.
FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> 
> The blanks are $20 each.
> 
> Shipping is $5 US, 
> 
> $7 International including Canada.
> 
> I may need to charge more s/h for Asia, but I'll
> take $7 for now.
> 
> Keith:

Sweet! I will send a check out for you.  By the way,
what was decided on the bite plate, and will the
blanks actually play as recieved?  Either way is fine,
jst forgot to ask and also;do these have a round, or
romboid shape.  I will also provide my shipping
address.

Thanks,

BK 
> 
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
> 
> Sweet! I will send a check out for you.  By the way,
> what was decided on the bite plate, and will the
> blanks actually play as recieved?  Either way is fine,
> jst forgot to ask and also;do these have a round, or
> romboid shape.  

There are pictures on the Yahoo MouthpieceWork site under the CAD 
folder.  Look at the Mojo23 design.  I actually submitted a Mojo25 
design but the differences were subtle.

The beak is higher than the original design pictures.  There will be 
no bite plate supplied.

The blanks may play, but I doubt it.  Here are the areas I think will 
need rework:

1. The tip rail.  Needs to be filed to match the curve of a reed.  
Needs to be defined from the inside.

2. The baffle.  It is too high.  It should be filed down at 
least .100" where it goes into the throat.  But you can do this in 
stages and experiment.  The higher beak allows you to make a low 
baffle MP if you wish.

3. The Beak.  I think the top is too flat for comfort.  The corners 
may dig into your upper lip.  If so, just file a more comfortable 
shape using other MPs as a guide.  If you have the means, you can 
even machine in a bite plate recess or dovetail and make a bite plate 
to fit.  But a simple mouthpiece patch is all you really need.

4. The facing.  There will be a 5" radius facing curve on it open to 
about .095" or so at the tip.  I doubt this facing curve will be very 
good.  It will need to be hand finished.  This will effect the tip 
rail and baffle too.

5. The side rails should be wider than the reed near the tip.  They 
should be narrowed down some from the outside to match the width of 
standard reeds.

Lastly, the shop tolerances are in the .003"-.005" range.  If they 
use a lot of this range, or exceed it, the blank may look crooked or 
not symmetrical.  This is the big unknown until they arrive in early 
November.
FROM: mojomouthpiecework (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
3 weeks ago the Estimate was 11/8/04.  Its now a week later:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Keith, 

The order status information you requested:

---------------------------------------------------------
Order # | Status               |Estimated date of receipt
---------------------------------------------------------
 157921   In progress             11/15/2004
  Machines: 574. Mill 3-Axis, F265-92. Finish

Thank you for your inquiry.

== eMachineShop ==
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
The blanks have slipped another week to 11/23.  This is my first 
experiance with eMachineShop so I do not know wheather this is normal 
for them or not.
FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: eMachineShop Tenor Blanks
--- Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@...> wrote:

> 
> The blanks have slipped another week to 11/23.  This
> is my first 
> experiance with eMachineShop so I do not know
> wheather this is normal 
> for them or not.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
Keith:

OK  Keep me informed.

BOB


		
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