Mouthpiece Work / Rovner Mouthpieces
FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)
SUBJECT: Rovner Mouthpieces
My loving wife recently gave me a Rovner "Eagle" #10 tenor mouthpiece. What a beast (the mouthpiece, not my wife)! Anyone have any discussion on the huge window? This is the loudest mofo' I've ever played. It blows very easily (with a sufficiently soft reed) and is quite responsive. It also has a VERY long facing. Any thoughts on these, and any insights into the design theory? COMING SOON! OUR NEW ONLINE STORE AT SAXGOURMET.COM! VIDEOS, KEY CLAMPS, SAXGOURMET PAD SETS, RESONATORS, SAXRAX STANDS, PROTEC CASES, MASTERPIECE NECKS, JODY JAZZ MOUTHPIECES, PHAT REEDS, SAXGOURMET THUMBRESTS, SAXGOURMET POWER PIPS, ANVIL CASES, CHARLIE A'S GIG DUST, AND MUCH MORE! BUY SAFELY ON OUR SECURE SERVER. Steve Goodson see our TERMS OF SERVICE at: http://saxgourmet.com/business.html
FROM: stencilmann (stencilmann)
SUBJECT: Re: Rovner Mouthpieces
Steve wrote: > My loving wife recently gave me a Rovner "Eagle" #10 tenor > mouthpiece. What a beast (the mouthpiece, not my wife)! Congrats on the mouthpiece and especially on having a wife that would bless you like that. These are awesome pieces. Long, high baffle + large chamber = one free blowing mouthpiece. The long window adds chamber volume and effectively eliminates the obstruction normally found at the back of the window. Getting a handmade piece's table flat with a big window is difficult (for me anyway). The section of the table that overlaps the window ends up lower than the rest of the table because there's less surface area on the lapping table. You've got to apply pressure at the right spot to get the table to lap evenly. Probably the best way is to get the table flat and then cut the large window. Lately, I've been messing around with some large window designs since they seem to work well with vintage horns. I just finished a bronze tenor piece that has a .135" tip, a 26mm facing length, a very high front baffle, large chamber and long window. It is totally outrageous on a Buescher New Aristocrat. It's way too much mouthpiece for me but would be a lot of fun on a R&R gig. C-ya, Jon Lloyd
FROM: sjrosner (sjrosner)
SUBJECT: Re: Rovner Mouthpieces
Jon, Have you compared the effect of opening a large window to the alternative of tapering the edge at the end of the window (making a shallow knife edge so it is not such an interruption). I noticed that Theo's pieces are finished like this and have been experimenting with some Runyon Custom blanks that I have to get a comparison between blunt and knife edge (seems to make the piece more free-blowing with the knife edge, but the piece loses some edge), but these have no baffle. jeff --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "stencilmann" <jg_lloyd@s...> wrote: > Steve wrote: > > My loving wife recently gave me a Rovner "Eagle" #10 tenor > > mouthpiece. What a beast (the mouthpiece, not my wife)! > > Congrats on the mouthpiece and especially on having a wife that would > bless you like that. These are awesome pieces. Long, high baffle + > large chamber = one free blowing mouthpiece. The long window adds > chamber volume and effectively eliminates the obstruction normally > found at the back of the window. > > Getting a handmade piece's table flat with a big window is difficult > (for me anyway). The section of the table that overlaps the window > ends up lower than the rest of the table because there's less surface > area on the lapping table. You've got to apply pressure at the right > spot to get the table to lap evenly. Probably the best way is to get > the table flat and then cut the large window. > > Lately, I've been messing around with some large window designs since > they seem to work well with vintage horns. I just finished a bronze > tenor piece that has a .135" tip, a 26mm facing length, a very high > front baffle, large chamber and long window. It is totally outrageous > on a Buescher New Aristocrat. It's way too much mouthpiece for me but > would be a lot of fun on a R&R gig. > > C-ya, > Jon Lloyd
FROM: stencilmann (stencilmann)
SUBJECT: Re: Rovner Mouthpieces
> Have you compared the effect of opening a large window to the > alternative of tapering the edge at the end of the window...? Jeff, I guess I've always removed the blunt edge at the window. I hadn't really noticed any loss in edge since I work mostly on high baffle pieces. I've only done a few long widows, and none of them are as long as the Rovner. The long window is nice on narrow metal pieces when you can't enlarge the chamber because the side walls are too thin. Jon
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Rovner Mouthpieces
Ooooohhhhh! That hurts! Paul sjrosner wrote: > Jon, > Have you compared the effect of opening a large window to the > alternative of tapering the edge at the end of the window (making a > shallow knife edge so it is not such an interruption). I noticed that > Theo's pieces are finished like this and have been experimenting with > some Runyon Custom blanks that I have to get a comparison between > blunt and knife edge (seems to make the piece more free-blowing with > the knife edge, but the piece loses some edge), but these have no > baffle. > jeff > > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "stencilmann" <jg_lloyd@s...> > wrote: > > Steve wrote: > > > My loving wife recently gave me a Rovner "Eagle" #10 tenor > > > mouthpiece. What a beast (the mouthpiece, not my wife)! > > > > Congrats on the mouthpiece and especially on having a wife that > would > > bless you like that. These are awesome pieces. Long, high baffle + > > large chamber = one free blowing mouthpiece. The long window adds > > chamber volume and effectively eliminates the obstruction normally > > found at the back of the window. > > > > Getting a handmade piece's table flat with a big window is > difficult > > (for me anyway). The section of the table that overlaps the window > > ends up lower than the rest of the table because there's less > surface > > area on the lapping table. You've got to apply pressure at the > right > > spot to get the table to lap evenly. Probably the best way is to > get > > the table flat and then cut the large window. > > > > Lately, I've been messing around with some large window designs > since > > they seem to work well with vintage horns. I just finished a bronze > > tenor piece that has a .135" tip, a 26mm facing length, a very high > > front baffle, large chamber and long window. It is totally > outrageous > > on a Buescher New Aristocrat. It's way too much mouthpiece for me > but > > would be a lot of fun on a R&R gig. > > > > C-ya, > > Jon Lloyd > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see > the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG9ls5042/M06910.5263657.6380312.2248467/D=grplch/S05032198:HM/EXP91825232/A"90377/R=0/SIGsb42rfu/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N3390.yahoocom/B1408521.15;sz00x250;ord91738832391202?> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Rovner Mouthpieces
Sorry, put the answer on the wrong email....My apologies. Paul Coats wrote: > Ooooohhhhh! That hurts! > > Paul > > > > sjrosner wrote: > >> Jon, >> Have you compared the effect of opening a large window to the >> alternative of tapering the edge at the end of the window (making a >> shallow knife edge so it is not such an interruption). I noticed that >> Theo's pieces are finished like this and have been experimenting with >> some Runyon Custom blanks that I have to get a comparison between >> blunt and knife edge (seems to make the piece more free-blowing with >> the knife edge, but the piece loses some edge), but these have no >> baffle. >> jeff >> >> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "stencilmann" <jg_lloyd@s...> >> wrote: >> > Steve wrote: >> > > My loving wife recently gave me a Rovner "Eagle" #10 tenor >> > > mouthpiece. What a beast (the mouthpiece, not my wife)! >> > >> > Congrats on the mouthpiece and especially on having a wife that >> would >> > bless you like that. These are awesome pieces. Long, high baffle + >> > large chamber = one free blowing mouthpiece. The long window adds >> > chamber volume and effectively eliminates the obstruction normally >> > found at the back of the window. >> > >> > Getting a handmade piece's table flat with a big window is >> difficult >> > (for me anyway). The section of the table that overlaps the window >> > ends up lower than the rest of the table because there's less >> surface >> > area on the lapping table. You've got to apply pressure at the >> right >> > spot to get the table to lap evenly. Probably the best way is to >> get >> > the table flat and then cut the large window. >> > >> > Lately, I've been messing around with some large window designs >> since >> > they seem to work well with vintage horns. I just finished a bronze >> > tenor piece that has a .135" tip, a 26mm facing length, a very high >> > front baffle, large chamber and long window. It is totally >> outrageous >> > on a Buescher New Aristocrat. It's way too much mouthpiece for me >> but >> > would be a lot of fun on a R&R gig. >> > >> > C-ya, >> > Jon Lloyd >> >> >> >> Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to >> MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >> >> Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see >> the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. >> >> To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups >> >> > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see > the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG9pqan25/M06910.5263657.6380312.2248467/D=grplch/S05032198:HM/EXP91845635/A"90377/R=0/SIGs216s3m/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N3390.yahoocom/B1408521.15;sz00x250;ord91759235108917?> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Rovner Mouthpieces
Hi folks,
Since the part of the reed that rests over the lower part of the window (before the rail break) is essentially inert, it seems reasonable to expect that extending the window back into the table shouldn't have much effect. It will increase the volume slightly in the chamber at the position that the material is removed but unless the mpc is extremely thick it won't change things that much, it seems to me.
Toby
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From: stencilmann
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Rovner Mouthpieces
> Have you compared the effect of opening a large window to the
> alternative of tapering the edge at the end of the window...?
Jeff,
I guess I've always removed the blunt edge at the window. I hadn't
really noticed any loss in edge since I work mostly on high baffle
pieces. I've only done a few long widows, and none of them are as
long as the Rovner. The long window is nice on narrow metal pieces
when you can't enlarge the chamber because the side walls are too
thin.
Jon
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