Mouthpiece Work / Oleg Mouthpieces
FROM: mdc5220 (mdc5220)
SUBJECT: Oleg Mouthpieces
I have learned that Oleg has designed a mouthpiece which is in production. Has anyone had an opportunity to analyze one? See www.Olegproducts.com
FROM: stencilmann (stencilmann)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
> I have learned that Oleg has designed a mouthpiece which is in > production. Has anyone had an opportunity to analyze one? See > www.Olegproducts.com Funny that you should ask about that since I recently was looking at the web sight and came to this conclusion: I am 99% convinced that they are identical to the now defunct L.A. Sax mouthpieces, at least in the external dimensions. They had to have been made by the same manufacturer. Just now, I pulled up a picture from the Oleg web site, blew it up and compared it to my L.A. Sax mouthpiece, side by side. Everything about the two mouthpieces is identical, the bite plate being the most obvious. Even the laser cut engraving looks the same. Of course, the chamber/baffle/facing may be totally different. I've mentioned here before that I think the L.A. Sax mouthpieces had a decent design with a medium high baffle and a small square chamber, but the 3 pieces I've had were very poorly finished and 2 of them were almost unplayable. I'm certainly not saying the Oleg pieces would have the same problems, having never played one. Jon
FROM: mdc5220 (michael d. collins)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
Jon, I have seen a pre-production oleg tenor on the horn which does not look at all like the picture on the web site. I probably should have asked to see the mpc. but I felt a bit shy in intruding. In any event, Oleg has a good reputation for understanding the woodwind acoustics and making quality products. Just terribly curious if there is anything to learn from the design. It appears there are no size or facing choices. Once size fits all. This reminds me of dave guardala. Notwithstanding all the "buzz" created by dave guardala, I do believe he contributed meaningfully to the design of saxophone mpcs., for better or for worse.
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From: stencilmann
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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
> I have learned that Oleg has designed a mouthpiece which is in
> production. Has anyone had an opportunity to analyze one? See
> www.Olegproducts.com
Funny that you should ask about that since I recently was looking at
the web sight and came to this conclusion: I am 99% convinced that
they are identical to the now defunct L.A. Sax mouthpieces, at least
in the external dimensions. They had to have been made by the same
manufacturer. Just now, I pulled up a picture from the Oleg web
site, blew it up and compared it to my L.A. Sax mouthpiece, side by
side. Everything about the two mouthpieces is identical, the bite
plate being the most obvious. Even the laser cut engraving looks the
same. Of course, the chamber/baffle/facing may be totally different.
I've mentioned here before that I think the L.A. Sax mouthpieces had
a decent design with a medium high baffle and a small square chamber,
but the 3 pieces I've had were very poorly finished and 2 of them
were almost unplayable. I'm certainly not saying the Oleg pieces
would have the same problems, having never played one.
Jon
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FROM: stencilmann (stencilmann)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
I looked again at the web site and saw that the alto piece pictured is a different design than the tenor and soprano pieces. Maybe Oleg has switched manufacturers and just hasn't updated the picture for the alto piece. Jon
FROM: mdc5220 (michael d. collins)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
I decided to call Oleg (he is a very nice fella) and he says that the mpc on the web cite was his first model and that it has sold out; he has a second model which improves on the first design. He mentioned that the tip opening was .110 and the new design is CNC while the previous design was cast. His concept is to design a single mpc that covers the spectrum from classic to whatever.
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From: stencilmann
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
I looked again at the web site and saw that the alto piece pictured
is a different design than the tenor and soprano pieces. Maybe Oleg
has switched manufacturers and just hasn't updated the picture for
the alto piece.
Jon
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FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
I think Oleg pretty much knows what he is doing, but I would question whether one could have a mpc that covers the spectrum. Each design has strengths and weaknesses, so you are necessarily going to end up with compromises whichever direction you go in. This is not to say that his mpcs might not be very good.
Toby
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From: michael d. collins
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
I decided to call Oleg (he is a very nice fella) and he says that the mpc on the web cite was his first model and that it has sold out; he has a second model which improves on the first design. He mentioned that the tip opening was .110 and the new design is CNC while the previous design was cast. His concept is to design a single mpc that covers the spectrum from classic to whatever.
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From: stencilmann
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
I looked again at the web site and saw that the alto piece pictured
is a different design than the tenor and soprano pieces. Maybe Oleg
has switched manufacturers and just hasn't updated the picture for
the alto piece.
Jon
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FROM: bluesnote2000 (dan lunsford)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
--- Toby <kymarto123@...> wrote: > I think Oleg pretty much knows what he is doing, but > I would question whether one could have a mpc that > covers the spectrum. Each design has strengths and > weaknesses, so you are necessarily going to end up > with compromises whichever direction you go in. This > is not to say that his mpcs might not be very good. > > Toby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael d. collins > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Oleg Mouthpieces > > > I decided to call Oleg (he is a very nice fella) > and he says that the mpc on the web cite was his > first model and that it has sold out; he has a > second model which improves on the first design. He > mentioned that the tip opening was .110 and the new > design is CNC while the previous design was cast.. > His concept is to design a single mpc that covers > the spectrum from classic to whatever. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stencilmann > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:09 PM > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Oleg Mouthpieces > > > I looked again at the web site and saw that the > alto piece pictured > is a different design than the tenor and soprano > pieces. Maybe Oleg > has switched manufacturers and just hasn't > updated the picture for > the alto piece. > > Jon > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to > MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see > the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to > Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to > MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see > the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to > Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Hi: I would agree very much with this. HE MIGHT have a good piece here, but then maybe not. However. since refacing is possible.......... Hmmm. Bk __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
Dave Schottle, former L.A.Sax employee (designer of straight alto/tenor) can tell us more about these. Dave??? You there? Paul stencilmann wrote: > > I have learned that Oleg has designed a mouthpiece which is in > > production. Has anyone had an opportunity to analyze one? See > > www.Olegproducts.com > > Funny that you should ask about that since I recently was looking at > the web sight and came to this conclusion: I am 99% convinced that > they are identical to the now defunct L.A. Sax mouthpieces, at least > in the external dimensions. They had to have been made by the same > manufacturer. Just now, I pulled up a picture from the Oleg web > site, blew it up and compared it to my L.A. Sax mouthpiece, side by > side. Everything about the two mouthpieces is identical, the bite > plate being the most obvious. Even the laser cut engraving looks the > same. Of course, the chamber/baffle/facing may be totally different. > > I've mentioned here before that I think the L.A. Sax mouthpieces had > a decent design with a medium high baffle and a small square chamber, > but the 3 pieces I've had were very poorly finished and 2 of them > were almost unplayable. I'm certainly not saying the Oleg pieces > would have the same problems, having never played one. > > Jon > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see > the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG9vp9b8o/M)8184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=grplch/S05032198:HM/EXP87426509/A!64331/R=0/SIGeaelai9/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso`183351> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
FROM: saxgourmet (STEVE GOODSON)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
I did some consulting for LA Sax a long time ago, and have quite a few of their metal mouthpieces. Oleg's piece looks like the exact same blank to me. These blanks were made in Taiwan, I think by one of Charlie Tee's companies.The LA Sax pieces were TERRIBLE insofar as finish work. The basic baffle and chamber design was sorta kinda like a Dukoff, but the manufacturer just didn't understand the term "smooth and even" with regard to the facing/machining/plating. The blanks I have are all solid brass and silver plated. I know Oleg very well, and have no doubt that he is quite capable of taking that blank and doing something nice with it. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Coats [mailto:tenorman@...] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:14 PM To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Oleg Mouthpieces Dave Schottle, former L.A.Sax employee (designer of straight alto/tenor) can tell us more about these. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> Dave??? You there? <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> Paul stencilmann wrote: > I have learned that Oleg has designed a mouthpiece which is in > production. Has anyone had an opportunity to analyze one? See > www.Olegproducts.com Funny that you should ask about that since I recently was looking at the web sight and came to this conclusion: I am 99% convinced that they are identical to the now defunct L.A. Sax mouthpieces, at least in the external dimensions. They had to have been made by the same manufacturer. Just now, I pulled up a picture from the Oleg web site, blew it up and compared it to my L.A. Sax mouthpiece, side by side. Everything about the two mouthpieces is identical, the bite plate being the most obvious. Even the laser cut engraving looks the same. Of course, the chamber/baffle/facing may be totally different. I've mentioned here before that I think the L.A. Sax mouthpieces had a decent design with a medium high baffle and a small square chamber, but the 3 pieces I've had were very poorly finished and 2 of them were almost unplayable. I'm certainly not saying the Oleg pieces would have the same problems, having never played one. Jon Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG9p86r22/M)8184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=gr plch/S05032198:HM/EXP87503330/A!64331/R=0/SIGeaelai9/*http://www. netflix.com/Default?mqso`183351> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M)8184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=grplch/S:HM/A!64331/rand)1923478> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MouthpieceWork-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
FROM: stencilmann (stencilmann)
SUBJECT: Re: Oleg Mouthpieces
Steve Goodson wrote: > Oleg's piece looks like the exact same blank to me. Yes, it is obvious that Oleg did use the same manufacturer as LA Sax at one time, but that they don't use the same blanks anymore. > The LA Sax pieces were TERRIBLE insofar as finish work. The > basic baffle and chamber design was sorta kinda like a Dukoff, > but the manufacturer just didn't understand the term "smooth > and even" with regard to the facing/machining/plating. The > blanks I have are all solid brass and silver plated. I bought a handful of LA Sax pieces relatively cheap ($25 each from a music store that was closing) to use as metal blanks. They have a lower baffle and a smaller chamber than Dukoffs. Only one of the four LA Sax mouthpieces I've bought was playable. The rest suffered from the problems you decribe. The ones I have are all made of bronze and have turned out to be good blanks. I'm still looking for more cheap metal blanks - the only LA Sax pieces I can find are selling for >$70 at WWBW. There is a local shop here in Houston selling cheap Asian-made metal pieces on Ebay for $30 to $50 but the seller doesn't know much about the mouthpieces or even saxophones in general. When I get some free time (yeah, right), I'll drive over there to see what these are like. I'd rather have a few new mouthpieces with similar design to use as blanks than fish for the odd piece on Ebay.