Anybody have information or have tried making a mpc from rod rubber?

Supposedly this makes a better mpc then the molded ones.

--Jim Fay

Jim, hard rubber, or rod rubber, can only be machined very slowly, and 
must be cooled with a water stream during the operations.  Otherwise it 
burns, melts.  Hard rubber is not at all stable, and tables/facings 
easily warp from moderate heat (trunk of car, etc).  Some hard rubber 
mouthpieces are really ABS plastic with ground up rubber in the mix, not 
true hard rubber.  Some batches of hard rubber have odor problems that 
are not appreciated by the players, a smell of burnt rubber.

 

HOWEVER, a better material is available... Delrin.  Delrin is 
"self-lubricating" and is tough!  It is used for gears that can handle 
quite a power strain. I first became aware of Delrin used for gears many 
years ago for slot cars, with motors turning well over 50,000 rpms.  
Years later, I saw this material used for gears in gas powered radio 
controlled model cars and even the main rotor gears on R/C helicopters.  
These gears have machined teeth, not molded.  It has vibrational 
characteristics very similar to hard rubber. 

 

You can get white and black Delrin rods in suitable diameters from 
Ferree's Tools.  They stock the small sizes for making replacement tone 
holes for clarinets, or tenons.  I think you can get up to 1.5" or 1.75" 
diameters from them.  While you can't really get a high polish with 
Delrin, it machines beautifully.   You can machine it quite thin without 
worrying about breakage.  It is not at all brittle.

 

Paul



Jim Fay wrote:

> Anybody have information or have tried making a mpc from rod rubber?
>
> Supposedly this makes a better mpc then the molded ones.
>
> --Jim Fay
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Paul,

Are the Runyon pieces made from Delrin machined, or molded?


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Paul Coats <tenorman@t...> 
wrote:
> Jim, hard rubber, or rod rubber, can only be machined very slowly, 
and 
> must be cooled with a water stream during the operations.  
Otherwise it 
> burns, melts.  Hard rubber is not at all stable, and tables/facings 
> easily warp from moderate heat (trunk of car, etc).  Some hard 
rubber 
> mouthpieces are really ABS plastic with ground up rubber in the 
mix, not 
> true hard rubber.  Some batches of hard rubber have odor problems 
that 
> are not appreciated by the players, a smell of burnt rubber.
> 
>  
> 
> HOWEVER, a better material is available... Delrin.  Delrin is 
> "self-lubricating" and is tough!  It is used for gears that can 
handle 
> quite a power strain. I first became aware of Delrin used for gears 
many 
> years ago for slot cars, with motors turning well over 50,000 
rpms.  
> Years later, I saw this material used for gears in gas powered 
radio 
> controlled model cars and even the main rotor gears on R/C 
helicopters.  
> These gears have machined teeth, not molded.  It has vibrational 
> characteristics very similar to hard rubber. 
> 
>  
> 
> You can get white and black Delrin rods in suitable diameters from 
> Ferree's Tools.  They stock the small sizes for making replacement 
tone 
> holes for clarinets, or tenons.  I think you can get up to 1.5" or 
1.75" 
> diameters from them.  While you can't really get a high polish with 
> Delrin, it machines beautifully.   You can machine it quite thin 
without 
> worrying about breakage.  It is not at all brittle.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Fay wrote:
> 
> > Anybody have information or have tried making a mpc from rod 
rubber?
> >
> > Supposedly this makes a better mpc then the molded ones.
> >
> > --Jim Fay
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Merlin:  The Runyon pieces made from Delrin are machined, not molded, 
from Delrin rod stock.  These include the Custom Quantums and the XL 
line.  They are machined on the same machines as the Runyon metal 
mouthpieces.  The Runyon molded mouthpieces are molded of a proprietary 
"plastic alloy".

 

Machining from Delrin is a great way to make mouthpieces for instruments 
such as sopranino or bass and contrabass saxophones.  No worries about 
plating, cutting the beak for a plastic biteplate, etc.  I am surprised 
no one is making clarinet bells and barrels of this material.

 

Paul



merlin_williams_toronto wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Are the Runyon pieces made from Delrin machined, or molded?
>
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Paul Coats <tenorman@t...>
> wrote:
> > Jim, hard rubber, or rod rubber, can only be machined very slowly,
> and
> > must be cooled with a water stream during the operations. 
> Otherwise it
> > burns, melts.  Hard rubber is not at all stable, and tables/facings
> > easily warp from moderate heat (trunk of car, etc).  Some hard
> rubber
> > mouthpieces are really ABS plastic with ground up rubber in the
> mix, not
> > true hard rubber.  Some batches of hard rubber have odor problems
> that
> > are not appreciated by the players, a smell of burnt rubber.
> >
> > 
> >
> > HOWEVER, a better material is available... Delrin.  Delrin is
> > "self-lubricating" and is tough!  It is used for gears that can
> handle
> > quite a power strain. I first became aware of Delrin used for gears
> many
> > years ago for slot cars, with motors turning well over 50,000
> rpms. 
> > Years later, I saw this material used for gears in gas powered
> radio
> > controlled model cars and even the main rotor gears on R/C
> helicopters. 
> > These gears have machined teeth, not molded.  It has vibrational
> > characteristics very similar to hard rubber.
> >
> > 
> >
> > You can get white and black Delrin rods in suitable diameters from
> > Ferree's Tools.  They stock the small sizes for making replacement
> tone
> > holes for clarinets, or tenons.  I think you can get up to 1.5" or
> 1.75"
> > diameters from them.  While you can't really get a high polish with
> > Delrin, it machines beautifully.   You can machine it quite thin
> without
> > worrying about breakage.  It is not at all brittle.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Paul
> >

Many clarinetists use barrels either made of Delrin, or have a 
Delrin sleeve inserted in the barrel. I use both and they make tone 
and pitch very stable.

There is 1 metal bell maker and a few custom bell maker using woods 
like cocobolo and others. None that I know of use Delrin.

--Jim Fay
---------------------------------------------
>  I am surprised 
> no one is making clarinet bells and barrels of this material.

Actually, there are a few people making barrels out of Delrin. Steve 
Fox certainly has. 

I was thinking that Delrin would be a cool thing to make my own 
pieces from...but that's way down the road.




> Machining from Delrin is a great way to make mouthpieces for 
instruments 
> such as sopranino or bass and contrabass saxophones.  No worries 
about 
> plating, cutting the beak for a plastic biteplate, etc.  I am 
surprised 
> no one is making clarinet bells and barrels of this material.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> merlin_williams_toronto wrote:
> 
> > Paul,
> >
> > Are the Runyon pieces made from Delrin machined, or molded?
> >
> >
> > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Paul Coats <tenorman@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > Jim, hard rubber, or rod rubber, can only be machined very 
slowly,
> > and
> > > must be cooled with a water stream during the operations. 
> > Otherwise it
> > > burns, melts.  Hard rubber is not at all stable, and 
tables/facings
> > > easily warp from moderate heat (trunk of car, etc).  Some hard
> > rubber
> > > mouthpieces are really ABS plastic with ground up rubber in the
> > mix, not
> > > true hard rubber.  Some batches of hard rubber have odor 
problems
> > that
> > > are not appreciated by the players, a smell of burnt rubber.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > HOWEVER, a better material is available... Delrin.  Delrin is
> > > "self-lubricating" and is tough!  It is used for gears that can
> > handle
> > > quite a power strain. I first became aware of Delrin used for 
gears
> > many
> > > years ago for slot cars, with motors turning well over 50,000
> > rpms. 
> > > Years later, I saw this material used for gears in gas powered
> > radio
> > > controlled model cars and even the main rotor gears on R/C
> > helicopters. 
> > > These gears have machined teeth, not molded.  It has vibrational
> > > characteristics very similar to hard rubber.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > You can get white and black Delrin rods in suitable diameters 
from
> > > Ferree's Tools.  They stock the small sizes for making 
replacement
> > tone
> > > holes for clarinets, or tenons.  I think you can get up to 1.5" 
or
> > 1.75"
> > > diameters from them.  While you can't really get a high polish 
with
> > > Delrin, it machines beautifully.   You can machine it quite thin
> > without
> > > worrying about breakage.  It is not at all brittle.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >

I know Bakelite has been used in barrels for years.  Now there's a vintage
plastic for ya.

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The problem with Bakelite is that it gets brittle over time.  I collect
fountain pens so it's a lot of fun because a lot of the same materials have
been used to make pens and mouthpieces.

 

Ed

 

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To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: rod rubber clar mpc making

 

I know Bakelite has been used in barrels for years.  Now there's a vintage
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Ahh, I hadn't seen the Delrin clarinet barrels.  An excellent material 
for mouthpieces.

 

Paul

merlin_williams_toronto wrote:

> Actually, there are a few people making barrels out of Delrin. Steve
> Fox certainly has.
>
> I was thinking that Delrin would be a cool thing to make my own
> pieces from...but that's way down the road.
>
>
>
>
> > Machining from Delrin is a great way to make mouthpieces for
> instruments
> > such as sopranino or bass and contrabass saxophones.  No worries
> about
> > plating, cutting the beak for a plastic biteplate, etc.  I am
> surprised
> > no one is making clarinet bells and barrels of this material.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > merlin_williams_toronto wrote:
> >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > Are the Runyon pieces made from Delrin machined, or molded?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Paul Coats <tenorman@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Jim, hard rubber, or rod rubber, can only be machined very
> slowly,
> > > and
> > > > must be cooled with a water stream during the operations.
> > > Otherwise it
> > > > burns, melts.  Hard rubber is not at all stable, and
> tables/facings
> > > > easily warp from moderate heat (trunk of car, etc).  Some hard
> > > rubber
> > > > mouthpieces are really ABS plastic with ground up rubber in the
> > > mix, not
> > > > true hard rubber.  Some batches of hard rubber have odor
> problems
> > > that
> > > > are not appreciated by the players, a smell of burnt rubber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HOWEVER, a better material is available... Delrin.  Delrin is
> > > > "self-lubricating" and is tough!  It is used for gears that can
> > > handle
> > > > quite a power strain. I first became aware of Delrin used for
> gears
> > > many
> > > > years ago for slot cars, with motors turning well over 50,000
> > > rpms.
> > > > Years later, I saw this material used for gears in gas powered
> > > radio
> > > > controlled model cars and even the main rotor gears on R/C
> > > helicopters.
> > > > These gears have machined teeth, not molded.  It has vibrational
> > > > characteristics very similar to hard rubber.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can get white and black Delrin rods in suitable diameters
> from
> > > > Ferree's Tools.  They stock the small sizes for making
> replacement
> > > tone
> > > > holes for clarinets, or tenons.  I think you can get up to 1.5"
> or
> > > 1.75"
> > > > diameters from them.  While you can't really get a high polish
> with
> > > > Delrin, it machines beautifully.   You can machine it quite thin
> > > without
> > > > worrying about breakage.  It is not at all brittle.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
>
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Bakelite is very brittle, difficult to machine.  Yes, along with 
celluloid, one of our earliest plastics. 

 

Paul

Keith Bradbury wrote:

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> plastic for ya.
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--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Fay" <n3hpz@e...> wrote:
> Anybody have information or have tried making a mpc from rod rubber?
> 
> Supposedly this makes a better mpc then the molded ones.
> 
> --Jim Fay

Guy Chadash and I have been making clarinet mouthpieces from rod 
rubber for a little over a year now, and we've been very happy with 
the results.
Chris Hill

At 01:41 AM 12/19/2003, you wrote:

>Guy Chadash and I have been making clarinet mouthpieces from rod
>rubber for a little over a year now, and we've been very happy with
>the results.
>Chris Hill

This is a totally unsolicited endorsement.  As a purchaser of one of the 
Chadash/Hill mouthpieces, I too have been quite satisfied with the 
results.  As in--I've never owned a mouthpiece that played 
better.  Whatever they're doing, it's working.

Ken Wolman


-------------------------------------------------------------
Kenneth 
Wolman 
http://www.kenwolman.com

"i had not really expected to find any of the art world populated with 
ex-murderers     fascists     green berets and now i know that you can find 
anything in the art world and they can even become prophets' -- David 
Antin, "Tuning"

Chadash only offers blanks...did you buy one and send it to someone 
to face, or are completed mouthpieces available??

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Wolman 
<kenneth.wolman@c...> wrote:
> At 01:41 AM 12/19/2003, you wrote:
> 
> >Guy Chadash and I have been making clarinet mouthpieces from rod
> >rubber for a little over a year now, and we've been very happy with
> >the results.
> >Chris Hill
> 
> This is a totally unsolicited endorsement.  As a purchaser of one 
of the 
> Chadash/Hill mouthpieces, I too have been quite satisfied with the 
> results.  As in--I've never owned a mouthpiece that played 
> better.  Whatever they're doing, it's working.
> 
> Ken Wolman
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Kenneth 
> Wolman 
> http://www.kenwolman.com
> 
> "i had not really expected to find any of the art world populated 
with 
> ex-murderers     fascists     green berets and now i know that you 
can find 
> anything in the art world and they can even become prophets' -- 
David 
> Antin, "Tuning"

See:

http://www.chadashclarinet.com/mouthpiece.htm

Interesting pictures, reading and products!

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:44:52 -0000  
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: rod rubber clar mpc making  
  
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>  
> >Guy Chadash and I have been making clarinet mouthpieces from rod  
> >rubber for a little over a year now, and we've been very happy with  
> >the results.  
> >Chris Hill  
>  
> This is a totally unsolicited endorsement. As a purchaser of one  
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>  
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>  
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