I hope that someone out there can help me identify the make of an Alto mouthpiece I recently acquired. It is semi-translucent dark red plastic(only appears red when held up to a light source), and has POWERTONE in gold lettering near the lower middle chamber area. I have attempted to research this piece on the Internet with no success. Anyone?

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Michael, please send me a photo.  The only mfg I know of that used such 
a plastic was Runyon Products.  And they have long contracted to other 
companies to produce their mouthpieces.

 

Paul Coats

MICHAEL.PAUL.SEMANN@... wrote:

>
> I hope that someone out there can help me identify the make of an Alto 
> mouthpiece I recently acquired. It is semi-translucent dark red 
> plastic(only appears red when held up to a light source), and has 
> POWERTONE in gold lettering near the lower middle chamber area. I have 
> attempted to research this piece on the Internet with no success. Anyone?
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Hi Paul, Thanks for your help. I couldn't find your E-mail address, 
so I uploaded the pictures to a folder named Mystery Mouthpiece in 
the PHOTOS section. The only writing that is still present on the 
piece is located toward the bottom of the barrel, and 
says "POWERTONE". I appologize for the rather poor pictures,however, 
I think that you can make out the lettering type from them. I should 
add that the tooth protector patch is, of course, an after market add-
on. This mouthpiece has a rather large bore, and virtually no baffle. 
It's design reminds me of many 20's through 40's mouthpieces I have, 
although I don't think that it is of that vintage. I aquired it with 
a Vintage King Zephyr that I bought from the estate of a Pro Sax 
player. The horn and mouthpiece both play super, by the way.Thanks 
again. Mike.

Oops, Paul--well I've pulled my head out of my a**, and found your E-
mail after all! I sent you some jpegs of the mouthpiece and a brief 
description. Thank you again. Mike.

Mike:   I wonder if it is an old King mouthpiece?  Runyon made 
mouthpieces for King.  Actually, your mouthpiece looks like an old 
Brilhart, as far as the shape of the shank.

 

I would have to look at the chamber to see if it is either a Brilhart or 
a Runyon 22 chamber.  As far as red mouthpieces, there was the Runyon 
Custom, but a more normal red, and a deep, dark red Holton, with metal 
inside the chamber and facing/table area.  But this was hard rubber, not 
plastic, and certainly, not transparent in the least.

 

So, I am not sure what you have.

 

Paul

Michael wrote:

> Hi Paul, Thanks for your help. I couldn't find your E-mail address,
> so I uploaded the pictures to a folder named Mystery Mouthpiece in
> the PHOTOS section. The only writing that is still present on the
> piece is located toward the bottom of the barrel, and
> says "POWERTONE". I appologize for the rather poor pictures,however,
> I think that you can make out the lettering type from them. I should
> add that the tooth protector patch is, of course, an after market add-
> on. This mouthpiece has a rather large bore, and virtually no baffle.
> It's design reminds me of many 20's through 40's mouthpieces I have,
> although I don't think that it is of that vintage. I aquired it with
> a Vintage King Zephyr that I bought from the estate of a Pro Sax
> player. The horn and mouthpiece both play super, by the way.Thanks
> again. Mike.
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Thanks for the info Paul. I think you may have hit on it when you 
said it might be a Runyon made KING mouthpiece. Everything about the 
horn was "Stock" including the accessories, case, lyre etc. I think 
this piece probably came with the horn when purchased new. There was 
an aftermarket Brilhart included in the deal as well, which seems to 
have been used a great deal more by the original owner. Again, Thanks 
for the research info. Mike.

Out on Theo Wanne's website there's another example of this type of 
mouthpiece, marked "Conn"

http://www.mouthpieceheaven.com/mplcsop.php

Mike

Thanks for the heads up Mike, but this isn't the same piece. Mine has 
a totaly different shank, and unless held up to the light, appears a 
rich, dark black. It isn't apparent that it is red untill held up to 
a light source. Also, mine is clearly marked in gold 
script "POWERTONE". Thanks for keeping an eye out, though. Mike S.

Yes, that is the same mouthpiece (referring to the Red Conn on Theo 
Wann's site).  Those were made by Runyon for Conn. 

The basic material of the Runyon mouthpieces is glass clear.  The amount 
of tint, of course, determines the shade of red.

Runyon also made mouthpieces for King, and a number of other mfgs.  In 
the period following WWII, European mouthpieces were not being produced, 
and Runyon and Brilhart were the main manufacturers of plastic 
mouthpieces in the US. 

Paul Coats



Mike Ruhl wrote:

> Out on Theo Wanne's website there's another example of this type of
> mouthpiece, marked "Conn"
>
> http://www.mouthpieceheaven.com/mplcsop.php
>
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We still need a green Runyon. My brother discovered a range of brass
mpcs in all colours made from Delrin. We need to get sax mpcs like this
too.
 
Later
God Bless
Bootman
Richard Booth
www.bootmanmusic.com 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Coats [mailto:tenorman@...] 
Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2003 1:34 AM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Can you identify this mouthpiece?
 
Yes, that is the same mouthpiece (referring to the Red Conn on Theo
Wann's site).  Those were made by Runyon for Conn.  

The basic material of the Runyon mouthpieces is glass clear.  The amount
of tint, of course, determines the shade of red. 

Runyon also made mouthpieces for King, and a number of other mfgs.  In
the period following WWII, European mouthpieces were not being produced,
and Runyon and Brilhart were the main manufacturers of plastic
mouthpieces in the US.  

Paul Coats



Mike Ruhl wrote:


Out on Theo Wanne's website there's another example of this type of 
mouthpiece, marked "Conn"

http://www.mouthpieceheaven.com/mplcsop.php

Mike



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Thank you gentlemen for the information on this piece. I think I can 
assume that this is a Runyon piece, based on your collected opinions. 
As I mentioned previously, this is a fantastic piece in all regards, 
and I am pleased to know the maker at last. Cheers, Mike.

This message confused me at first - I thought "How can they be brass 
mouthpieces if they're made from Delrin? They're either made from 
Brass OR from Delrin!"

Then I realized that you meant Brass (instrument) mouthpieces!

Doh!! :-)

-Peter

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Bootman" <rbooth@b...> wrote:
> We still need a green Runyon. My brother discovered a range of brass
> mpcs in all colours made from Delrin. We need to get sax mpcs like 
this
> too.
>  
> Later
> God Bless
> Bootman
> Richard Booth
> www.bootmanmusic.com 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Coats [mailto:tenorman@t...] 
> Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2003 1:34 AM
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Can you identify this mouthpiece?
>  
> Yes, that is the same mouthpiece (referring to the Red Conn on Theo
> Wann's site).  Those were made by Runyon for Conn.  
> 
> The basic material of the Runyon mouthpieces is glass clear.  The 
amount
> of tint, of course, determines the shade of red. 
> 
> Runyon also made mouthpieces for King, and a number of other mfgs.  
In
> the period following WWII, European mouthpieces were not being 
produced,
> and Runyon and Brilhart were the main manufacturers of plastic
> mouthpieces in the US.  
> 
> Paul Coats
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Ruhl wrote:
> 
> 
> Out on Theo Wanne's website there's another example of this type of 
> mouthpiece, marked "Conn"
> 
> http://www.mouthpieceheaven.com/mplcsop.php
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
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A little tricky to follow at first but they are trumpet, Trombone and
Tuba mpcs. Interestingly enough they play quite well but do indeed sound
and feel quite different to play, easier on the chops than the brass
mpcs but they seem to lack the punch and power of the metal mpcs.

Later
God Bless
Bootman
Richard Booth
www.bootmanmusic.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Rawlings [mailto:Peter.Rawlings@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2003 8:53 AM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Can you identify this mouthpiece?

This message confused me at first - I thought "How can they be brass 
mouthpieces if they're made from Delrin? They're either made from 
Brass OR from Delrin!"

Then I realized that you meant Brass (instrument) mouthpieces!

Doh!! :-)

-Peter

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Bootman" <rbooth@b...> wrote:
> We still need a green Runyon. My brother discovered a range of brass
> mpcs in all colours made from Delrin. We need to get sax mpcs like 
this
> too.
>  
> Later
> God Bless
> Bootman
> Richard Booth
> www.bootmanmusic.com 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Coats [mailto:tenorman@t...] 
> Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2003 1:34 AM
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Can you identify this mouthpiece?
>  
> Yes, that is the same mouthpiece (referring to the Red Conn on Theo
> Wann's site).  Those were made by Runyon for Conn.  
> 
> The basic material of the Runyon mouthpieces is glass clear.  The 
amount
> of tint, of course, determines the shade of red. 
> 
> Runyon also made mouthpieces for King, and a number of other mfgs.  
In
> the period following WWII, European mouthpieces were not being 
produced,
> and Runyon and Brilhart were the main manufacturers of plastic
> mouthpieces in the US.  
> 
> Paul Coats
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Ruhl wrote:
> 
> 
> Out on Theo Wanne's website there's another example of this type of 
> mouthpiece, marked "Conn"
> 
> http://www.mouthpieceheaven.com/mplcsop.php
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
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