Mouthpiece Work / Safe material for creating baffles?
FROM: jrmink2003 (jrmink2003)
SUBJECT: Safe material for creating baffles?
Did anyone find a safe (non-toxic) material to create permanant
baffles in mouthpieces? I'll also ask some dentists to see if there's
new material available and tell the group what I find out.
Jr
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
Most epoxies, once set, are safe. I have been using epoxy purchased in
plumbing supply places, and certified OK for use on drinking water
supply piping. There are pictures of the packaging in the photos.
Paul
jrmink2003 wrote:
> Did anyone find a safe (non-toxic) material to create permanant
> baffles in mouthpieces? I'll also ask some dentists to see if there's
> new material available and tell the group what I find out.
> Jr
>
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FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
Even if epoxies are not exactly safe (as many contain nasty xeroestrongens), there should not really be a problem using them as baffle material, as this is not in contact with the mouth to any great extent. Filling in tooth marks on the beak or bite plates is another story. Stephen Howard has stopped using JB Weld after contacting the manufacturer, who hedges about the safety of oral contact.
Toby
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Coats
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Safe material for creating baffles?
Most epoxies, once set, are safe. I have been using epoxy purchased in plumbing supply places, and certified OK for use on drinking water supply piping. There are pictures of the packaging in the photos.
Paul
jrmink2003 wrote:
Did anyone find a safe (non-toxic) material to create permanant
baffles in mouthpieces? I'll also ask some dentists to see if there's
new material available and tell the group what I find out.
Jr
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
When I repair a bite plate or beak with epoxy, I finish the job with a
thin, clear mylar patch.
Paul
Toby wrote:
> Even if epoxies are not exactly safe (as many contain nasty
> xeroestrongens), there should not really be a problem using them as
> baffle material, as this is not in contact with the mouth to any great
> extent. Filling in tooth marks on the beak or bite plates is another
> story. Stephen Howard has stopped using JB Weld after contacting the
> manufacturer, who hedges about the safety of oral contact. Toby
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Coats
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Safe material for creating
> baffles?
> Most epoxies, once set, are safe. I have been using epoxy
> purchased in plumbing supply places, and certified OK for
> use on drinking water supply piping. There are pictures of
> the packaging in the photos.
>
> Paul
>
> jrmink2003 wrote:
>
> > Did anyone find a safe (non-toxic) material to create
> > permanant
> > baffles in mouthpieces? I'll also ask some dentists to see
> > if there's
> > new material available and tell the group what I find out.
> >
> > Jr
> >
> >
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FROM: petersax999 (Peter Rawlings)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
This topic came up a few months ago, and I had posted the following: ==Just found this, too, regarding CarGo Chemicals; QuikSteel Epoxy Putty & Paste: "8. Is QUIKSTEEL EPOXY PUTTY safe to use on drinking water pipes and holding tanks? Yes. QUIKSTEEL EPOXY PUTTY is certified safe by NSF International for use on drinking water pipes, holding tanks, and all drinking water systems. QUIKSTEEL is nontoxic." For the full text, goto: http://www.cargochemical.com/prodques.htm == This doesn't really answer the question of whether it is safe to use orally. IMHO, I would feel comfortable using it for a baffle (no direct contact with mouth), but - like Paul - I would use a patch over it if I used it to repair a bite plate (just to be on the safe side :-). -Peter --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "jrmink2003" <jrmink2003@y...> wrote: > Did anyone find a safe (non-toxic) material to create permanant > baffles in mouthpieces? I'll also ask some dentists to see if there's > new material available and tell the group what I find out. > Jr
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
I use the Quiksteel Epoxy Putty for baffles, I use Devcon 5 Minute epoxy
for filling teeth gouges. It is clear, takes on the color of the
material under it, for a nearly invisible repair.
Paul
Peter Rawlings wrote:
> This topic came up a few months ago, and I had posted the following:
>
> ==> Just found this, too, regarding
> CarGo Chemicals; QuikSteel Epoxy Putty & Paste:
>
> "8. Is QUIKSTEEL EPOXY PUTTY safe to use on drinking water pipes and
> holding tanks? Yes. QUIKSTEEL EPOXY PUTTY is certified safe by NSF
> International for use on drinking water pipes, holding tanks, and all
> drinking water systems. QUIKSTEEL is nontoxic."
>
> For the full text, goto: http://www.cargochemical.com/prodques.htm
> ==>
>
> This doesn't really answer the question of whether it is safe to use
> orally. IMHO, I would feel comfortable using it for a baffle (no
> direct contact with mouth), but - like Paul - I would use a patch
> over it if I used it to repair a bite plate (just to be on the safe
> side :-).
>
> -Peter
>
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "jrmink2003" <jrmink2003@y...>
> wrote:
> > Did anyone find a safe (non-toxic) material to create permanant
> > baffles in mouthpieces? I'll also ask some dentists to see if
> there's
> > new material available and tell the group what I find out.
> > Jr
>
>
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FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
Hi Paul,
You should check whether your Devcon epoxy contains alpha Bisphenol. It is a pretty nasty chemical and can cause endocrine disorders. Many, if not most, epoxies contain it.
Toby
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Coats
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
I use the Quiksteel Epoxy Putty for baffles, I use Devcon 5 Minute epoxy for filling teeth gouges. It is clear, takes on the color of the material under it, for a nearly invisible repair.
Paul
Peter Rawlings wrote:
This topic came up a few months ago, and I had posted the following:
===
Just found this, too, regarding
CarGo Chemicals; QuikSteel Epoxy Putty & Paste:
"8. Is QUIKSTEEL EPOXY PUTTY safe to use on drinking water pipes and
holding tanks? Yes. QUIKSTEEL EPOXY PUTTY is certified safe by NSF
International for use on drinking water pipes, holding tanks, and all
drinking water systems. QUIKSTEEL is nontoxic."
For the full text, goto: http://www.cargochemical.com/prodques.htm
===
This doesn't really answer the question of whether it is safe to use
orally. IMHO, I would feel comfortable using it for a baffle (no
direct contact with mouth), but - like Paul - I would use a patch
over it if I used it to repair a bite plate (just to be on the safe
side :-).
-Peter
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "jrmink2003" <jrmink2003@y...>
wrote:
> Did anyone find a safe (non-toxic) material to create permanant
> baffles in mouthpieces? I'll also ask some dentists to see if
there's
> new material available and tell the group what I find out.
> Jr
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
But is alpha Bisphenol dangerous after it is mixed and cured? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
Yes. It leaches out and as an endocrine disrupter can be harmful in concentrations of only parts per billion. It causes most of its harm in developing endocrine systems, so adults are not at great risk, but if ingested before puberty it has been implicated as one of the prime suspects in the worldwide drop in sperm count, some testicular cancers, feminization of male genitalia and a host of other endocrine disorders. Because it is a xeroestrogen boys are mostly at risk but since it stays in body fat and is passed on in high concentrations in mother's milk it is pretty bad for females too. It's one of those things like global warming and the hole in the ozone layer that don't do that much immediate damage but have pretty horrible long-term effects, but unlike the other two its effects are proven. Nasty stuff, really. There are some sites on this and other endocrine disrupters and I will try to find a link and post it. Toby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@...> To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Safe material for creating baffles? > But is alpha Bisphenol dangerous after it is mixed and cured? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
Here are some useful links: http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search http://www.bisphenol-a.org/about/index.html There are lots more--just do a browser search. Both these official sites say that there is no problem with bisphenol-A. There are others I have read that question these results. If you are interested read the book "The Feminization of Nature" by Deborah Cadbury, which documents conclusions quite different from those on these two sites. Perhaps the Cadbury book is alarmist, or perhaps the official sites are overly optimistic. Make up your own mind. Personally I'm staying far away from oral contact with epoxies. Toby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby" <kymarto@...> To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Safe material for creating baffles? > Yes. It leaches out and as an endocrine disrupter can be harmful in > concentrations of only parts per billion. It causes most of its harm in > developing endocrine systems, so adults are not at great risk, but if > ingested before puberty it has been implicated as one of the prime suspects > in the worldwide drop in sperm count, some testicular cancers, feminization > of male genitalia and a host of other endocrine disorders. Because it is a > xeroestrogen boys are mostly at risk but since it stays in body fat and is > passed on in high concentrations in mother's milk it is pretty bad for > females too. > > It's one of those things like global warming and the hole in the ozone layer > that don't do that much immediate damage but have pretty horrible long-term > effects, but unlike the other two its effects are proven. Nasty stuff, > really. There are some sites on this and other endocrine disrupters and I > will try to find a link and post it. > > Toby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@...> > To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Safe material for creating baffles? > > > > But is alpha Bisphenol dangerous after it is mixed and cured? > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the > Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
FROM: petersax999 (Peter Rawlings)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
I found the Material Safety Data Sheet for Devcon 5 Minute Epoxy on the Devcon site: it contains "Bisphenol A diglycidyl ether resin" (don't know if that's the same as Alpha bisphenol, but suspect it is). You can view the entire MSDS here: http://www.devcon.com/techinfo/14200.PDF -Peter --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Toby" <kymarto@y...> wrote: > Here are some useful links: > > http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search > > http://www.bisphenol-a.org/about/index.html > > There are lots more--just do a browser search. > > Both these official sites say that there is no problem with bisphenol-A. > There are others I have read that question these results. If you are > interested read the book "The Feminization of Nature" by Deborah Cadbury, > which documents conclusions quite different from those on these two sites. > Perhaps the Cadbury book is alarmist, or perhaps the official sites are > overly optimistic. Make up your own mind. Personally I'm staying far away > from oral contact with epoxies. > > Toby
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Safe material for creating baffles?
That's the stuff. Here are a few links to sites that have questions about the safety of Bisphenol-A. http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/oncompounds/bisphenola/bpauses.htm http://www.panda.org/downloads/toxics/bisphenol.pdf http://ehpnet1.niehs.nih.gov/docs/2002/110pA703-A707schonfelder/abstract.html http://humrep.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/17/11/2839 http://www.safer-world.org/e/chem/bispheno.htm Just do a search with tis string in your browser : bisphenol And endocrine You will come up with tons of sites, many abstracts of scientific papers. Industry has a strong reason to promote the safety of Bisphenol alpha since its use is so widespread. Don't forget that DDT and 2,4 D were promoted for years as wonder pesticides without adverse effects.... Toby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Rawlings" <Peter.Rawlings@...> To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:39 PM Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Safe material for creating baffles? > I found the Material Safety Data Sheet for Devcon 5 Minute Epoxy > on the Devcon site: it contains "Bisphenol A diglycidyl ether resin" > (don't know if that's the same as Alpha bisphenol, but suspect it is). > > You can view the entire MSDS here: > http://www.devcon.com/techinfo/14200.PDF > > -Peter > > --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Toby" <kymarto@y...> wrote: > > Here are some useful links: > > > > http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search > > > > http://www.bisphenol-a.org/about/index.html > > > > There are lots more--just do a browser search. > > > > Both these official sites say that there is no problem with > bisphenol-A. > > There are others I have read that question these results. If you are > > interested read the book "The Feminization of Nature" by Deborah > Cadbury, > > which documents conclusions quite different from those on these two > sites. > > Perhaps the Cadbury book is alarmist, or perhaps the official sites > are > > overly optimistic. Make up your own mind. Personally I'm staying > far away > > from oral contact with epoxies. > > > > Toby > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >