Mouthpiece Work / "Shrinking" Throat Diameter
FROM: yupak12 (yupak12)
SUBJECT: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter
In thinking about how to ask my question, I realized I don't know all the terminology associated with a mouthpiece. Is there a diagram somewhere that shows the names of the mouth piece parts? I have the Erick Brand manual, and it helps, but not completely. Here goes. I just got a soprano mouthpiece via eBay. It's labeled "steelite ebonite". I gave it a brief try, and it may be my best playing mouthpiece. However, its throat diameter is too large (maybe 1mm), and it wobbles on the sax neck. I have several other mouthpieces that fit fine, so I know the neck cork is sized okay. I can't push it down to the end of the neck cork, because the neck hits the end of the throat. How would this problem be corrected at the mouthpiece? Also, what might the composition of steel ebonite be? Bill
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Mouthpiece Terminology
On the Mouthpiece Work site, there is a Mouthpiece Nomenclature document in the Files, Methods section. Also see: http://www.mouthpieceheaven.com/content/refacing.htm There is some variation in the terminology, but not enough to cause major confusion.
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter (Bores)
I think Steel Ebonite is just a very hard, hard rubber. I have made bores smaller by "painting" a layer of creamy epoxy inside the mouthpiece and sanding it smooth. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
FROM: yupak12 (yupak12)
SUBJECT: Re: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter (Bores)
Keith, Great tip. I don't need much. When I first tried the mouthpiece I greased the cork. When I tried the mpc, after a few days without greasing the cork, it almost fit. I think 1 mm or less will do. How do you get the bore round while sanding? Thanks, Bill --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> wrote: > I think Steel Ebonite is just a very hard, hard rubber. > > I have made bores smaller by "painting" a layer of creamy epoxy inside the > mouthpiece and sanding it smooth. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter (Bores)
>How do you get the bore round while sanding? Low tech. I use my finger to feel the bumps and I sand them down. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
FROM: yupak12 (yupak12)
SUBJECT: Re: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter (Bores)
Keith, Creamy epoxy: Are you refering to a two part epoxy mix? The inside of the mpc should be coarse sanded first, to rough it up, to help the epoxy stick, correct? Bill --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Keith Bradbury <kwbradbury@y...> wrote: > I think Steel Ebonite is just a very hard, hard rubber. > > I have made bores smaller by "painting" a layer of creamy epoxy inside the > mouthpiece and sanding it smooth. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter (Bores)
By creamy, I mean not a putty. I've used a 5-min clear epoxy, but I'm thinking of trying JB Weld next time. The slower cure time may allow finger smoothing before it sets. If the surface looks polished (glossy) I would roughen it some first. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
FROM: stencilmann (Jon Lloyd)
SUBJECT: Re: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter (Bores)
JB Weld smears very well with a slightly wet finger. I form baffles all the time with JB Weld and use the flat side of a wet exacto blade to make it go where I want without sticking. One of my favorite non-metal alto mouthpieces is a Brihart Ebolin that a dog chewed up. JB Weld worked great for filling in bad spots in the rails and replacing a huge chunk of the tip.
FROM: yupak12 (yupak12)
SUBJECT: Re: "Shrinking" Throat Diameter (Bores)
After all the great tips,I picked up some JB weld, and was ready to go to work. Problem is it's a soprano mpc, and using my finger (too big) is out of the question. There's always a new challenge. Bill --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Jon Lloyd <jg_lloyd@s...> wrote: > JB Weld smears very well with a slightly wet finger. I > form baffles all the time with JB Weld and use the > flat side of a wet exacto blade to make it go where I > want without sticking. > > One of my favorite non-metal alto mouthpieces is a > Brihart Ebolin that a dog chewed up. JB Weld worked > great for filling in bad spots in the rails and > replacing a huge chunk of the tip.
FROM: stencilmann (Jon Lloyd)
SUBJECT: Cheap tools from the drugstore
The nail care section of the local drugstore has lots of inexpensive items that can be used for mouthpiece work. For instance, I bought a pack of 20 cardboard fingernail files on sale for $1.50. They work great for filing soft material that tends to clog up jeweler's files. You can cut the files to fit into nooks and crannies. Metal fingernail files can be really cheap too. Fingernail polishing boards are great for shining up an area on metal pieces. After refacing, I give the mouthpiece a couple of easy swipes across the "extra fine" side to give the rails a polished look. I also use the boards for polishing off burrs on the end of key rods when doing overhauls. Wooden cuticle tools are great for spreading epoxy. At the hardware store I've bought several sizes of vinyl and delrin tubing for changing the chamber or throat diameter. Vinyl tubing is really easy to cut and shape for experimenting. There's are some other items that I can't remember at the moment. Stencilman
FROM: gwjackson (Gregg W. Jackson)
SUBJECT: Re: Cheap tools from the drugstore
--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, Jon Lloyd <jg_lloyd@s...> wrote: > The nail care section of the local drugstore has lots > of inexpensive items that can be used for mouthpiece > work. Good idea. I have a metal bladed palette knife with a rounded tip and a wooden handle that I'm going to try with my tenor pieces. Gregg