Mouthpiece Work / Question
FROM: helgec_2000 (Chriss)
SUBJECT: Question
Hello! That´s a great newsgroup, I got already dozens of helpful insights! Thanks also to Paul Coats for the help with the mouthpiece (how much to put it in or out..), will report my results with the pitch exercise soon.. I looked at Ralph Morgans Inventory of Mouthpiece Maker´s Hand Tools and didn´t understand some of the terms: The tearms are: Reamers: must they have a certain diameter? Are they used for shaping bore? I think it´s normally for drilling holes.. Scribers/Scrapers: these are just normal ones? Course file: I got some swiss files and a flat file, what does the term "course file" mean? Contour templates: Would be nice to know about that, no idea.. Contour gauges: ? Holder for small pieces of cutting paper: Does this mean a hand holder? Inside telescopic gauge: ? Expandable Ligature: ? Taper gauge in thousands of an inch and long tapered wand gauge in hundreds of mm: I don´t even know what the difference of a normal glass gauge and a taper gauge is, would be nice to help.. Also would be happy to know where some of this articles could be found for ordering... Many thanks, will appreciate any help..Chriss
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Question
> Contour templates: Would be nice to know about that, no idea.. > > I think Ralph means templates for the curve of the tip, in order to > match the shape of the end of the reed. > Contour gauges: ? > > Have you ever seen a device that is a series of little sliding rods, > used to make a template of molding? I think this is what Ralph is > speaking of. > Inside telescopic gauge: ? > > This is a type of inside caliper. > Taper gauge in thousands of an inch and long tapered wand gauge in > hundreds of mm: I don�t even know what the difference of a normal > glass gauge and a taper gauge is, would be nice to help.. > > A glass gauge is placed on the table of the mouthpiece. It has a > series of lines 1mm apart. In the case of Eric Brand gauges, these > lines are 1/2 mm apart. The "zero" line is aligned with the tip of > the mouthpiece. Feeler gauges of various thicknesses are inserted > between the facing and the glass, and moved down until they lightly > make contact, and the distance from the tip, for that particular > thickness feeler, is noted. For example, the standard way to measure > facing length is with a .0015" feeler. A typical tenor sax mouthpiece > might measure 22 mm (or a reading of 44 on a Eric Brand gauge) with > the .0015" feeler. Other, thicker feelers are inserted, and the > distance noted, and thus, a chart is made of the contour of the > facing. > > A tapered wand guage is a thin rod that has a machined flat on one > side, such that it is thinnest at the tip, and thicker toward the > handle end. There are lines for measurement on the flat. This is > inserted between the tip of the mouthpiece and the glass guage, and a > reading of the tip opening is noted. In the case of the Eric Brand > system, a reading of, for example 174 would be seen on an alto sax > mouthpiece. This is actually 1.74 mm, which is .069" tip opening. A > tapered wand made from a round rod is desired, so that the flat side > will be against the glass gauge, and the round side will contact the > tip rail only at one point. Due to the curves of the facing, if the > tapered gauge is flat on both sides, it will contact the tip rail at > two points, and not at the very tip in the middle, and give an > erroneous reading. > Also would be happy to know where some of this articles could be > found for ordering... The Eric Brand Repair Manual has good informtion on mouthpiece refacing that will help you. Paul
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Questions - Tools
> Reamers: must they have a certain diameter? Are they used for shaping bore? I think it´s normally for drilling holes.. Drill bits are for drilling holes. Reamers are for obtaining more precise holes. Ralph probably uses these for MP bores. Some bores are tapered and there are tapered Reamers. I get by using rotary tools and sandpaper. > > Scribers/Scrapers: these are just normal ones? I would think so. I find a pocket knife usefull on HR, plastic and soft metals. A pin vise and a blue needle spring make a decent scriber. > > Course file: I got some swiss files and a flat file, what does the term "course file" mean? Coarse means the ridges of the file are farther apart. A wood file is coarser than a metal file. Mouthpiece work likes something in between coarse and fine. > > Contour templates: Would be nice to know about that, no idea.. I use reeds for tip curves. Ralph may also have templates for his mouthpiece exteriors and interiors. > Contour gauges: ? > There is a crude gage used in woodworking to copy profiles of decorative wood trim. Like Paul says, it has a series of sliding pins that can be pressed against a contour to conform to its shape. I have one of these but I do not find it usefull. > Holder for small pieces of cutting paper: Does this mean a hand holder? > I guess a sandpaper holder. I use my hands. > Inside telescopic gauge: ? > These are machinists' tools. This could be useful to measure the inside of chambers. I only have calipers and they can not reach in very far. > Expandable Ligature: ? > I guess so you can test all different sizes on mouthpiece without buying a bunch of ligatures. I use a Ligaphone and a bunch of others. > Taper gauge in thousands of an inch and long tapered wand gauge in hundreds of mm: I don´t even know what the difference of a normal glass gauge and a taper gauge is, would be nice to help.. > Like Paul said. I do not use one of these. > Also would be happy to know where some of this articles could be found for ordering... > There is a list of US sources in the Files Tools area of the MP Works site.
FROM: helgec_2000 (helgec_2000)
SUBJECT: Re: Questions - Tools
Thanks a lot!!! Will check it out!! Many greetings, Chriss --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury" <kwbradbury@y...> wrote: > > Reamers: must they have a certain diameter? Are they used for > shaping bore? I think it´s normally for drilling holes.. > > Drill bits are for drilling holes. Reamers are for obtaining more > precise holes. Ralph probably uses these for MP bores. Some bores > are tapered and there are tapered Reamers. I get by using rotary > tools and sandpaper. > > > > > Scribers/Scrapers: these are just normal ones? > > I would think so. I find a pocket knife usefull on HR, plastic and > soft metals. A pin vise and a blue needle spring make a decent > scriber. > > > > > Course file: I got some swiss files and a flat file, what does the > term "course file" mean? > > Coarse means the ridges of the file are farther apart. A wood file > is coarser than a metal file. Mouthpiece work likes something in > between coarse and fine. > > > > > Contour templates: Would be nice to know about that, no idea.. > > I use reeds for tip curves. Ralph may also have templates for his > mouthpiece exteriors and interiors. > > > Contour gauges: ? > > > > There is a crude gage used in woodworking to copy profiles of > decorative wood trim. Like Paul says, it has a series of sliding > pins that can be pressed against a contour to conform to its shape. > I have one of these but I do not find it usefull. > > > Holder for small pieces of cutting paper: Does this mean a hand > holder? > > > > I guess a sandpaper holder. I use my hands. > > > Inside telescopic gauge: ? > > > > These are machinists' tools. This could be useful to measure the > inside of chambers. I only have calipers and they can not reach in > very far. > > > Expandable Ligature: ? > > > > I guess so you can test all different sizes on mouthpiece without > buying a bunch of ligatures. I use a Ligaphone and a bunch of others. > > > Taper gauge in thousands of an inch and long tapered wand gauge in > hundreds of mm: I don´t even know what the difference of a normal > glass gauge and a taper gauge is, would be nice to help.. > > > > Like Paul said. I do not use one of these. > > > Also would be happy to know where some of this articles could be > found for ordering... > > > > There is a list of US sources in the Files Tools area of the MP Works > site.