Mouthpiece Work / More questions
FROM: fgruenebaum (Fred Gruenebaum)
SUBJECT: More questions
Hi Keith,
Thanks for the reply........
In talking to Paul C. he recommends the Winslow over the Babbitt gauge...wonder why?
I do have the list you are talking about. What is a wand tip gauge, and how does it work? Are there measurements to be found somewhere with the proper tolerances for mpcs?
And what do you know about "curve gauges"? That is, is there a way to check the curve of the tip? Or have I been smokin' something?
All this is very new to me, and at the same time exciting. I am beginning to see many similarities between the set-up between the double reed and the single reed. I can't wait to start experimenting with some mpcs I have to see if I am able to turn them into something I can use.
Thanks again for your time,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Bradbury
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Putting together a kit to adjust mpcs
Welcome! Look on the MouthpieceWorks site in the Files area. There are
lists of suggested equipment and sources where you can get it. The glass
gage you asked about is easy to get from Babbitt for about $15. I think
Babbitt may have wand tip gages too. I like to use digital calipers to
measure tips. Plus, they can be used to measure other parts of the
mouthpiece and can be used to verify what your feeler gage thicknesses
really are. MicroMark has some econimical calipers.
Look through the early posts in the archive. We talked a lot about
equipment when the group was first started. Later, one of our members
compiled all the info into the lists in the Files section.
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FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: More questions
> In talking to Paul C. he recommends the Winslow over the Babbitt gauge...wonder why? The Winslow kit has a lot of good stuff in it. I dont know anything special about the glass gage. > > I do have the list you are talking about. What is a wand tip gauge, and how does it work? Its a gradually tapered metal stick that has a slight curve to it. You hold the MP table on a flat surface (like the back of the glass gage) and you insert the wand to see how far it fits in. There are graduations to tell you what the gap (tip opening) is. >> Are there measurements to be found somewhere with the proper tolerances for mpcs? Generally no. There are a few scattered examples in the archives. Refacers usually measure everthing they can get a hold of and make up their own notebook. If you adopt a standard set of feelers you can use reading others may share. If you have a different set, you may still be able to use their info, but you will need to convert it for use with your feelers. There is an Excel spreadsheet in the Files area that can give you an idea how to do this (if you are used to working with spreadsheets). > > And what do you know about "curve gauges"? That is, is there a way to check the curve of the tip? If you mean how well it conforms to the curve of a reed end, you just use your favorite reed and your eye.
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: More questions
Fred Gruenebaum wrote:
> Hi Keith, Thanks for the reply........ In talking to Paul C. he
> recommends the Winslow over the Babbitt gauge...wonder why?
>
> Specifically, what I recommend is the whole Winslow kit, and that I
> think the tip opening gauge (dial indicator in fixture) is superior to
> the wand type tip gauge in other kits.
> I do have the list you are talking about. What is a wand tip gauge,
> and how does it work? Are there measurements to be found somewhere
> with the proper tolerances for mpcs? And what do you know about "curve
> gauges"? That is, is there a way to check the curve of the tip? Or
> have I been smokin' something?
>
> You may be referring to the glass gauge and feelers, which are used to
> plot the curve of the facing.
> All this is very new to me, and at the same time exciting. I am
> beginning to see many similarities between the set-up between the
> double reed and the single reed. I can't wait to start experimenting
> with some mpcs I have to see if I am able to turn them into something
> I can use. Thanks again for your time, Fred
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FROM: fgruenebaum (Fred Gruenebaum)
SUBJECT: Re: More questions
Thanks Paul.
Here's one for you. I called the telephone # that is listed on the manual for Winslow. I got a man who didn't want to talk, but took my name and phone # and never called back (Winslow?).......more. I got the new W/W & Brass catalog today and there the Winslow kit is....for $195. phew! Do you know anyone who has the mic and the glass gauge for sale? Thatsa' lot of gelt! I have everything else.
Thanks again,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Coats
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] More questions
Fred Gruenebaum wrote:
Hi Keith, Thanks for the reply........ In talking to Paul C. he recommends the Winslow over the Babbitt gauge...wonder why?
Specifically, what I recommend is the whole Winslow kit, and that I think the tip opening gauge (dial indicator in fixture) is superior to the wand type tip gauge in other kits.
I do have the list you are talking about. What is a wand tip gauge, and how does it work? Are there measurements to be found somewhere with the proper tolerances for mpcs? And what do you know about "curve gauges"? That is, is there a way to check the curve of the tip? Or have I been smokin' something?
You may be referring to the glass gauge and feelers, which are used to plot the curve of the facing.
All this is very new to me, and at the same time exciting. I am beginning to see many similarities between the set-up between the double reed and the single reed. I can't wait to start experimenting with some mpcs I have to see if I am able to turn them into something I can use. Thanks again for your time, Fred
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: More questions
Fred Gruenebaum wrote:
> Thanks Paul. Here's one for you. I called the telephone # that is
> listed on the manual for Winslow. I got a man who didn't want to
> talk, but took my name and phone # and never called back
> (Winslow?).......more.
>
> Probably his son. He is sometimes, well, short.
>
> I got the new W/W & Brass catalog today and there the Winslow kit
> is....for $195. phew! Do you know anyone who has the mic and the
> glass gauge for sale? Thatsa' lot of gelt! I have everything
> else. Thanks again, Fred
> Fred, give me a bit, I am still away from home, until the end of this
> coming week. I will make a list of minimal tools, and where to get
> the specialty items.
>
> Will post on the mpce work group a list.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Coats
> To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] More questions
>
>
> Fred Gruenebaum wrote:
>
> > Hi Keith, Thanks for the reply........ In talking to Paul
> > C. he recommends the Winslow over the Babbitt
> > gauge...wonder why?
> >
> > Specifically, what I recommend is the whole Winslow kit,
> > and that I think the tip opening gauge (dial indicator in
> > fixture) is superior to the wand type tip gauge in other
> > kits.
> > I do have the list you are talking about. What is a
> > wand tip gauge, and how does it work? Are there
> > measurements to be found somewhere with the proper
> > tolerances for mpcs? And what do you know about "curve
> > gauges"? That is, is there a way to check the curve of
> > the tip? Or have I been smokin' something?
> >
> > You may be referring to the glass gauge and feelers, which
> > are used to plot the curve of the facing.
> > All this is very new to me, and at the same time
> > exciting. I am beginning to see many similarities between
> > the set-up between the double reed and the single reed. I
> > can't wait to start experimenting with some mpcs I have to
> > see if I am able to turn them into something I can use.
> > Thanks again for your time, Fred
>
>
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