Mouthpiece Work / Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
FROM: tomheadly (tomheadly)
SUBJECT: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
Why do used sax mouthpieces demand such a high resale price and used clarinet pieces go for $15? The new prices for clarinet pieces are comparable to the new prices of saxophone pieces. My answer is that while the clarinet player is satisfied not to search; the saxophone player is never satisfied (and that keeps the market up) he wants to buy every other brand or model mouthpiece out there, to experience the "FEEL"!! Also why is there such a hype on the need for the "special sax piece" and clarinet players are mostly content with the generic? BTW: what is the design theory with the clarinet piece that makes it unsuitable for the saxophone (besides the obvious method of attachment)? Don't say that the clarinet piece is designed for a straight bore instrument and the saxophone piece is designed for a conical instrument. I would like to know what this design difference is in actual shape and feature and why does this make the saxophone piece such a mystery; that we saxophone players have a never ending search for one that works right!! I heard of a Jazz player that fitted a clarinet mouthpiece to his sax and played it great! Explain that one. Doc Tenney posted this story of a friend using a clarinet piece on a sax, but I cannot locate the post. Doc, if you are out there can you
FROM: mikeruhl (Mike Ruhl)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
I can't answer any of the other questions (who cares about clarinet players anyway? ;-)), but I do recall Doc's story. It was Gene Ammons, and he was playing a bass clarinet mpc on tenor. >Doc Tenney posted this story of a friend using a clarinet piece on a >sax, but I cannot locate the post. Doc, if you are out there can you _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
Clarinet mouthpieces are a mystery to me. I have put nice facings on them, but chamber work seems not to be the same as on sax. Different goals, different ways to get it. Part of the difference in the mouthpiece search quest is often a sax player is looking for a non-conservative sound. There are many of them for sax. Clarinet players for the most part are looking for a classical sound. There are very few of them on clarinet. It would be nice to get the clarinet mouthpiece makers to elighten us some on clarinet mouthpieces. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
FROM: kwbradbury (Keith Bradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
>>>Doc Tenney posted this story... That story was posted by Doc on SOTW. Doc is aware of this forum but probably does not want to post here because the way this group is set up, you need to supply an Email address to post. He does not want to have a public Email address. I have contemplated removing the Email address requirement for this group, but I think it is best left as is. One could always use a new Hotmail or Yahoo Email address, but it would still be a mild hassle to set-up and maintain. So far, I have only had to ban a couple of spammers.
FROM: tomkinsonl (Luke Tomkinson)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
Hi Tom, I play clarinet, and I can't think of many other clarinetists that use a generic mouthpiece - if, by generic, you mean the one that comes with the horn. We're searching for the holy grail of mouthpieces too! There are always a few vintage pieces on eBay that people will fork several hundred dollars for. Somebody mentioned there being a narrower range of sounds for classical clarinet playing and that might be right. Since sax players probably play more jazz, they have a more diverse pallette of tones to work with. Luke --- tomheadly <VaKach@...> wrote: > > Why do used sax mouthpieces demand such a high > resale price and used > clarinet pieces go for $15? The new prices for > clarinet pieces are > comparable to the new prices of saxophone pieces. > > My answer is that while the clarinet player is > satisfied not to > search; the saxophone player is never satisfied (and > that keeps the > market up) he wants to buy every other brand or > model mouthpiece out > there, to experience the "FEEL"!! > > Also why is there such a hype on the need for the > "special sax piece" > and clarinet players are mostly content with the > generic? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
FROM: sneaky_pt (Pete Thomas)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
Pure speculation but, doubling apart, as a rule sax players fall into more categories, eg, classical, jazz (mainstream and modern), R&B, pop, often with a need to be versatile for commercial work. On the other hand clarinetists are generally either classical or early jazz. There seems to be a defined "standard ideal" classical tone which may vary through the ages but is more to do with vibrato than pure sound. On the other hand, rather than there being an "ideal" jazz saxophone sound, originality is often the aim, be it sound, feel, or technique. So basically sax players like to dick around with mouthpieces. I did know a trad clarinetist in Sheffield who took up soprano and played it very nicely with a clarinet mouthpiece. best regards Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk "United we stand, together we fall" - Gordon (the big engine) ----- Original Message ----- From: "tomheadly" <VaKach@...> To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:21 AM Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc. > > Why do used sax mouthpieces demand such a high resale price and used > clarinet pieces go for $15? The new prices for clarinet pieces are > comparable to the new prices of saxophone pieces. > > My answer is that while the clarinet player is satisfied not to > search; the saxophone player is never satisfied (and that keeps the > market up) he wants to buy every other brand or model mouthpiece out > there, to experience the "FEEL"!! > > Also why is there such a hype on the need for the "special sax piece" > and clarinet players are mostly content with the generic? > > BTW: what is the design theory with the clarinet piece that makes it > unsuitable for the saxophone (besides the obvious method of > attachment)? > > Don't say that the clarinet piece is designed for a straight bore > instrument and the saxophone piece is designed for a conical > instrument. I would like to know what this design difference is in > actual shape and feature and why does this make the saxophone piece > such a mystery; that we saxophone players have a never ending search > for one that works right!! > > I heard of a Jazz player that fitted a clarinet mouthpiece to his sax > and played it great! Explain that one. > > Doc Tenney posted this story of a friend using a clarinet piece on a > sax, but I cannot locate the post. Doc, if you are out there can you > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
FROM: mdc5220 (michael d. collins)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
i think the obvious difference derives from the acoustical properties of the instruments; there is, i believe, a large diffence in the partials found in a saxophone tone production as opposed to clarinet, the saxophone producing a tone with a complicated partial structure thus giving rise to greater variety in sound. am i way off base here? mdc Pete Thomas wrote: > Pure speculation but, doubling apart, as a rule sax players fall into more > categories, eg, classical, jazz (mainstream and modern), R&B, pop, often > with a need to be versatile for commercial work. > > On the other hand clarinetists are generally either classical or early > jazz. > There seems to be a defined "standard ideal" classical tone which may vary > through the ages but is more to do with vibrato than pure sound. > > On the other hand, rather than there being an "ideal" jazz saxophone > sound, > originality is often the aim, be it sound, feel, or technique. > > So basically sax players like to dick around with mouthpieces. > > I did know a trad clarinetist in Sheffield who took up soprano and > played it > very nicely with a clarinet mouthpiece. > > > best regards > > Pete Thomas > > www.petethomas.co.uk > > "United we stand, together we fall" - Gordon (the big engine) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tomheadly" <VaKach@...> > To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:21 AM > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc. > > > > > > Why do used sax mouthpieces demand such a high resale price and used > > clarinet pieces go for $15? The new prices for clarinet pieces are > > comparable to the new prices of saxophone pieces. > > > > My answer is that while the clarinet player is satisfied not to > > search; the saxophone player is never satisfied (and that keeps the > > market up) he wants to buy every other brand or model mouthpiece out > > there, to experience the "FEEL"!! > > > > Also why is there such a hype on the need for the "special sax piece" > > and clarinet players are mostly content with the generic? > > > > BTW: what is the design theory with the clarinet piece that makes it > > unsuitable for the saxophone (besides the obvious method of > > attachment)? > > > > Don't say that the clarinet piece is designed for a straight bore > > instrument and the saxophone piece is designed for a conical > > instrument. I would like to know what this design difference is in > > actual shape and feature and why does this make the saxophone piece > > such a mystery; that we saxophone players have a never ending search > > for one that works right!! > > > > I heard of a Jazz player that fitted a clarinet mouthpiece to his sax > > and played it great! Explain that one. > > > > Doc Tenney posted this story of a friend using a clarinet piece on a > > sax, but I cannot locate the post. Doc, if you are out there can you > > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to > MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to > see the > Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see > the Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. > > To see and modify your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
FROM: kymarto (Toby)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
The clarinet produces only the odd partials--the only instrument to do so except for a few ethnic insts. such as panpipes and the Korean piri. This could well be a factor. Think I'll build some putty baffles in my clarinet mpc and see what happens...
Toby
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From: michael d. collins
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
i think the obvious difference derives from the acoustical properties of the instruments; there is, i believe, a large diffence in the partials found in a saxophone tone production as opposed to clarinet, the saxophone producing a tone with a complicated partial structure thus giving rise to greater variety in sound. am i way off base here? mdc
Pete Thomas wrote:
Pure speculation but, doubling apart, as a rule sax players fall into more
categories, eg, classical, jazz (mainstream and modern), R&B, pop, often
with a need to be versatile for commercial work.
On the other hand clarinetists are generally either classical or early jazz.
There seems to be a defined "standard ideal" classical tone which may vary
through the ages but is more to do with vibrato than pure sound.
On the other hand, rather than there being an "ideal" jazz saxophone sound,
originality is often the aim, be it sound, feel, or technique.
So basically sax players like to dick around with mouthpieces.
I did know a trad clarinetist in Sheffield who took up soprano and played it
very nicely with a clarinet mouthpiece.
best regards
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
"United we stand, together we fall" - Gordon (the big engine)
----- Original Message -----
From: "tomheadly" <VaKach@...>
To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:21 AM
Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
>
> Why do used sax mouthpieces demand such a high resale price and used
> clarinet pieces go for $15? The new prices for clarinet pieces are
> comparable to the new prices of saxophone pieces.
>
> My answer is that while the clarinet player is satisfied not to
> search; the saxophone player is never satisfied (and that keeps the
> market up) he wants to buy every other brand or model mouthpiece out
> there, to experience the "FEEL"!!
>
> Also why is there such a hype on the need for the "special sax piece"
> and clarinet players are mostly content with the generic?
>
> BTW: what is the design theory with the clarinet piece that makes it
> unsuitable for the saxophone (besides the obvious method of
> attachment)?
>
> Don't say that the clarinet piece is designed for a straight bore
> instrument and the saxophone piece is designed for a conical
> instrument. I would like to know what this design difference is in
> actual shape and feature and why does this make the saxophone piece
> such a mystery; that we saxophone players have a never ending search
> for one that works right!!
>
> I heard of a Jazz player that fitted a clarinet mouthpiece to his sax
> and played it great! Explain that one.
>
> Doc Tenney posted this story of a friend using a clarinet piece on a
> sax, but I cannot locate the post. Doc, if you are out there can you
>
>
> Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>
> Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork to see the
Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work.
>
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>
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>
>
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FROM: mdc5220 (michael d. collins)
SUBJECT: Re: Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc.
thanks toby, i don't want anybody to the notion that i think the clarinet "odd", i love the clarinet, especially eddie daniels and richard stolzman; deep,rich and even throaty, terms we often reserve for saxophones. huh? Toby wrote: > The clarinet produces only the odd partials--the only instrument to do > so except for a few ethnic insts. such as panpipes and the Korean > piri. This could well be a factor. Think I'll build some putty baffles > in my clarinet mpc and see what happens... > > Toby > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael d. collins <mailto:chedoggy@...> > To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc. > > i think the obvious difference derives from the acoustical > properties of the instruments; there is, i believe, a large > diffence in the partials found in a saxophone tone production as > opposed to clarinet, the saxophone producing a tone with a > complicated partial structure thus giving rise to greater variety > in sound. am i way off base here? mdc > > Pete Thomas wrote: > >> Pure speculation but, doubling apart, as a rule sax players fall >> into more >> categories, eg, classical, jazz (mainstream and modern), R&B, >> pop, often >> with a need to be versatile for commercial work. >> >> On the other hand clarinetists are generally either classical or >> early jazz. >> There seems to be a defined "standard ideal" classical tone which >> may vary >> through the ages but is more to do with vibrato than pure sound. >> >> On the other hand, rather than there being an "ideal" jazz >> saxophone sound, >> originality is often the aim, be it sound, feel, or technique. >> >> So basically sax players like to dick around with mouthpieces. >> >> I did know a trad clarinetist in Sheffield who took up soprano >> and played it >> very nicely with a clarinet mouthpiece. >> >> >> best regards >> >> Pete Thomas >> >> www.petethomas.co.uk >> >> "United we stand, together we fall" - Gordon (the big engine) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tomheadly" <VaKach@...> >> To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:21 AM >> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Clarinet mpc. compared to Sax mpc. >> >> >> > >> > Why do used sax mouthpieces demand such a high resale price and >> used >> > clarinet pieces go for $15? The new prices for clarinet pieces are >> > comparable to the new prices of saxophone pieces. >> > >> > My answer is that while the clarinet player is satisfied not to >> > search; the saxophone player is never satisfied (and that keeps the >> > market up) he wants to buy every other brand or model >> mouthpiece out >> > there, to experience the "FEEL"!! >> > >> > Also why is there such a hype on the need for the "special sax >> piece" >> > and clarinet players are mostly content with the generic? >> > >> > BTW: what is the design theory with the clarinet piece that >> makes it >> > unsuitable for the saxophone (besides the obvious method of >> > attachment)? >> > >> > Don't say that the clarinet piece is designed for a straight bore >> > instrument and the saxophone piece is designed for a conical >> > instrument. I would like to know what this design difference is in >> > actual shape and feature and why does this make the saxophone piece >> > such a mystery; that we saxophone players have a never ending >> search >> > for one that works right!! >> > >> > I heard of a Jazz player that fitted a clarinet mouthpiece to >> his sax >> > and played it great! Explain that one. >> > >> > Doc Tenney posted this story of a friend using a clarinet piece >> on a >> > sax, but I cannot locate the post. Doc, if you are out there >> can you >> > >> > >> > Got a Mouthpiece Work question? Send it to >> MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > Visit the site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MouthpieceWork >> to see the >> Files, Photos and Bookmarks relating to Mouthpiece Work. >> > >> > To see and modify your groups, go to >> http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> Got a Mouthpiece Work question? 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