Cross posted from SOTW:

Dig Gonsalves 
User ID: 1105234  Oct 28th 2:40 PM
As Joe has found time to post mouthpiece lay schedules for various 
practitioners, per Claude Humber, I thought I'd start by saying 
thanks for the info! 
Joe, if and when you feel like posting more of this info about other 
greats, perhaps this could serve as the thread. 
Thanks in advance! 
 
Joe 
User ID: 9077913  Nov 5th 11:53 PM
Hey, Dig, I got buried by some other stuff (life happens). Anyway, I 
thought I'd put this out there one more time by popular demand. 

Gonsalves 
Metal Link 9 120 tip 
30-22-17-15-11 

Coleman Hawkins (if anyone really cares anymore) 
Metal Link Tone Master 
93 tip 
24-18 1/2-13-10-7 Rico Royal 3 1/2 reed 

Metal Berg Larson 115/2 115 tip 
28 1/2-21-16-14-10 

Metal Link **** 86 tip 
26-20-14-11-7 

Stan Getz 
Metal Link 87 tip 
27-20-13-10-6 1/2 
Rico 3 reed 

White Brilhart 93 tip 
24-18-13-10-7 

John Coltrane 
Metal Link 100 tip 
27-20-15-12-8 
Rico 3 1/2 reed 

Metal Link Tone Master 96 tip 
26-10-15-12-8 

Charlie Parker 
71 tip 
21-15-10-7 1/2-4 

Art Pepper 
84 tip 
23-17-11 1/2-9-6 

Paul Desmond 
75 tip 
19-14-10-7-4 
Rico 3 reed 

Phil Woods 
Meyer 75 tip 
20-15-10-8-5 

Johnny Hodges 
Metal Link 5* 76 tip 
22-16-11-9-5 

85 tip 
23-16-11 1/2-9-6 

83 tip 
23-16 1/2-11 1/2-9-6 

Lester Young 
Brilhart 5* 95 tip 
25-19-14-12-8 

I've also got clarinet facings for Benny Goodman, Pete Fountain, 
Buddy DeFranco, Peanuts Hucko and Henry Cuesta if anyone wants them.  

Some more cross-posting on the topic:

Ol' Mpc Doc 
User ID: 1773974  Nov 7th 11:30 PM
This refers back to the "Reeds & Mouthpieces 3" area and "Joe's" 
posting of several facing curve "schedules" for prominent players as 
listed in Claude Humber's logs. I do not know and mean no disrespect 
for "Joe" but am quite familiar and most respectful of Claude 
Humber's earlier work. The "numbers" Joe has posted are "interesting" 
but absolutely useless as a basis for any understanding or specifying 
any refacing work to be "identical to the masters" he's listed. And 
several of the facing curves he's listed are totally irrational as 
well as incomplete. Some others are simply "blueprint" numbers and 
don't reflect any particular "customizing" to improve response for 
the players listed. 

For example, a Coltrane metal Link with a 0.100" tip opening is shown 
with a curve of "27-20-15-12-8 
while a Coltrane metal Link with a 0.096" tip opening is shown with a 
curve of "26-10-15-12-8, (obviously a "typo" on the second number). I 
have a completely unaltered New York Super ToneMaster custom-made for 
Coltrane by Otto Link with a tip opening of 0.087" and a curve of 25-
18-13-10-7. A lot depends on the refacer's "touch" and it's well-
known that the crystal gauges for measuring facing curves and 
the 'wand-type" gauges for measuring tip openings are horribly 
inconsistent. These variables render such listings worthless 
as "reliable references" or "guidelines". 

The thickest feeler gauge in the Erick Brand, Morgan and Babbitt 
refacing kits is 0.050". This is adequate for clarinet and soprano 
sax mpcs but just doesn't provide accurate measurements for alto, 
tenor and baritone saxes with longer facing curves and larger tip 
openings. Only the Winslow kit has a larger assortment of blade 
gauges but these are still inadequate (in my opinion) for really 
accurate work over the entire length of a facing curve and across the 
tip rail. 

The problem with not using correct gauges any larger than 0.050" 
means that 0.25" to 0.30" of the actual facing curve nearest the tip 
on a typical tenor sax mpc is completely immeasureable and this is 
arguably the most important part of the facing curve as it affects 
the amplitude of travel of the thinnest part of the reed (which is 
also moving at the highest speed at any given frequency). The same 
problem to a lesser degree (but no less important!) exists on 
measuring ANY mpc where there is any significant facing curve length 
extending beyond the point of rest of the 0.050" blade gauge. And the 
larger the tip opening, the more room there is for error. 

Beware of what you think you may have learned from such listings! 

With all due respect to all. 

Ol' Mpc Doc 



 
MojoBari 
User ID: 1320554  Nov 8th 8:31 AM
Thanks Doc. We need these "checks and balances" posts. 

On that .100" Coltrane example, the .050" feeler is 8 mm from the tip 
of the mouthpiece. This is a very short distance to go from .050" 
to .100". I was curious as to what this curve looked like, since it 
is not documented with the Erick Brand system. If real, whatever the 
curve is would play with a lot of resistance. Perhaps he had reeds 
with thin tips. 

For my work, I use a set of 10 feeler gauges up to .095". I really 
need to pick up a couple more large ones since some monster tips go 
to .150".  

If you still have the clarinet facings you referred to in this post
for Benny Goodman, Pete Fountain, Buddy DeFranco, and other notables,
I'd like to see it. 

Thanks 

- Brent -


--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury"
<kwbradbury@...> wrote:
>
> Cross posted from SOTW:
> 
> Dig Gonsalves 
> User ID: 1105234  Oct 28th 2:40 PM
> As Joe has found time to post mouthpiece lay schedules for various 
> practitioners, per Claude Humber, I thought I'd start by saying 
> thanks for the info! 
> Joe, if and when you feel like posting more of this info about other 
> greats, perhaps this could serve as the thread. 
> Thanks in advance! 
>  
> Joe 
> User ID: 9077913  Nov 5th 11:53 PM
> Hey, Dig, I got buried by some other stuff (life happens). Anyway, I 
> thought I'd put this out there one more time by popular demand. 
> 
> Gonsalves 
> Metal Link 9 120 tip 
> 30-22-17-15-11 
> 
> Coleman Hawkins (if anyone really cares anymore) 
> Metal Link Tone Master 
> 93 tip 
> 24-18 1/2-13-10-7 Rico Royal 3 1/2 reed 
> 
> Metal Berg Larson 115/2 115 tip 
> 28 1/2-21-16-14-10 
> 
> Metal Link **** 86 tip 
> 26-20-14-11-7 
> 
> Stan Getz 
> Metal Link 87 tip 
> 27-20-13-10-6 1/2 
> Rico 3 reed 
> 
> White Brilhart 93 tip 
> 24-18-13-10-7 
> 
> John Coltrane 
> Metal Link 100 tip 
> 27-20-15-12-8 
> Rico 3 1/2 reed 
> 
> Metal Link Tone Master 96 tip 
> 26-10-15-12-8 
> 
> Charlie Parker 
> 71 tip 
> 21-15-10-7 1/2-4 
> 
> Art Pepper 
> 84 tip 
> 23-17-11 1/2-9-6 
> 
> Paul Desmond 
> 75 tip 
> 19-14-10-7-4 
> Rico 3 reed 
> 
> Phil Woods 
> Meyer 75 tip 
> 20-15-10-8-5 
> 
> Johnny Hodges 
> Metal Link 5* 76 tip 
> 22-16-11-9-5 
> 
> 85 tip 
> 23-16-11 1/2-9-6 
> 
> 83 tip 
> 23-16 1/2-11 1/2-9-6 
> 
> Lester Young 
> Brilhart 5* 95 tip 
> 25-19-14-12-8 
> 
> I've also got clarinet facings for Benny Goodman, Pete Fountain, 
> Buddy DeFranco, Peanuts Hucko and Henry Cuesta if anyone wants them.
>

I too am interested in the clarinet facings if you have them. Please
be kind enough to tell me/us the size of the gauges that were used in
the measurements of the sax facings and the clarinet facings if you
know them so we can compare apples with apples.

Thanks in advance.

Mike Vaccaro
www.mikevaccaro.com

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Brent" <brentsmith@...> wrote:
>
> If you still have the clarinet facings you referred to in this post
> for Benny Goodman, Pete Fountain, Buddy DeFranco, and other notables,
> I'd like to see it. 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> - Brent -
> 
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury"
> <kwbradbury@> wrote:
> >
> > Cross posted from SOTW:
> > 
> > Dig Gonsalves 
> > User ID: 1105234  Oct 28th 2:40 PM
> > As Joe has found time to post mouthpiece lay schedules for various 
> > practitioners, per Claude Humber, I thought I'd start by saying 
> > thanks for the info! 
> > Joe, if and when you feel like posting more of this info about other 
> > greats, perhaps this could serve as the thread. 
> > Thanks in advance! 
> >  
> > Joe 
> > User ID: 9077913  Nov 5th 11:53 PM
> > Hey, Dig, I got buried by some other stuff (life happens). Anyway, I 
> > thought I'd put this out there one more time by popular demand. 
> > 
> > Gonsalves 
> > Metal Link 9 120 tip 
> > 30-22-17-15-11 
> > 
> > Coleman Hawkins (if anyone really cares anymore) 
> > Metal Link Tone Master 
> > 93 tip 
> > 24-18 1/2-13-10-7 Rico Royal 3 1/2 reed 
> > 
> > Metal Berg Larson 115/2 115 tip 
> > 28 1/2-21-16-14-10 
> > 
> > Metal Link **** 86 tip 
> > 26-20-14-11-7 
> > 
> > Stan Getz 
> > Metal Link 87 tip 
> > 27-20-13-10-6 1/2 
> > Rico 3 reed 
> > 
> > White Brilhart 93 tip 
> > 24-18-13-10-7 
> > 
> > John Coltrane 
> > Metal Link 100 tip 
> > 27-20-15-12-8 
> > Rico 3 1/2 reed 
> > 
> > Metal Link Tone Master 96 tip 
> > 26-10-15-12-8 
> > 
> > Charlie Parker 
> > 71 tip 
> > 21-15-10-7 1/2-4 
> > 
> > Art Pepper 
> > 84 tip 
> > 23-17-11 1/2-9-6 
> > 
> > Paul Desmond 
> > 75 tip 
> > 19-14-10-7-4 
> > Rico 3 reed 
> > 
> > Phil Woods 
> > Meyer 75 tip 
> > 20-15-10-8-5 
> > 
> > Johnny Hodges 
> > Metal Link 5* 76 tip 
> > 22-16-11-9-5 
> > 
> > 85 tip 
> > 23-16-11 1/2-9-6 
> > 
> > 83 tip 
> > 23-16 1/2-11 1/2-9-6 
> > 
> > Lester Young 
> > Brilhart 5* 95 tip 
> > 25-19-14-12-8 
> > 
> > I've also got clarinet facings for Benny Goodman, Pete Fountain, 
> > Buddy DeFranco, Peanuts Hucko and Henry Cuesta if anyone wants them.
> >
>

Hi Mean you send your question to a wrong person !
  

mvprod7991 <mike@...> a �crit :
          
I too am interested in the clarinet facings if you have them. Please
be kind enough to tell me/us the size of the gauges that were used in
the measurements of the sax facings and the clarinet facings if you
know them so we can compare apples with apples.

Thanks in advance.

Mike Vaccaro
www.mikevaccaro.com

--- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Brent" <brentsmith@...> wrote:
>
> If you still have the clarinet facings you referred to in this post
> for Benny Goodman, Pete Fountain, Buddy DeFranco, and other notables,
> I'd like to see it. 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> - Brent -
> 
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bradbury"
> <kwbradbury@> wrote:
> >
> > Cross posted from SOTW:
> > 
> > Dig Gonsalves 
> > User ID: 1105234 Oct 28th 2:40 PM
> > As Joe has found time to post mouthpiece lay schedules for various 
> > practitioners, per Claude Humber, I thought I'd start by saying 
> > thanks for the info! 
> > Joe, if and when you feel like posting more of this info about other 
> > greats, perhaps this could serve as the thread. 
> > Thanks in advance! 
> > 
> > Joe 
> > User ID: 9077913 Nov 5th 11:53 PM
> > Hey, Dig, I got buried by some other stuff (life happens). Anyway, I 
> > thought I'd put this out there one more time by popular demand. 
> > 
> > Gonsalves 
> > Metal Link 9 120 tip 
> > 30-22-17-15-11 
> > 
> > Coleman Hawkins (if anyone really cares anymore) 
> > Metal Link Tone Master 
> > 93 tip 
> > 24-18 1/2-13-10-7 Rico Royal 3 1/2 reed 
> > 
> > Metal Berg Larson 115/2 115 tip 
> > 28 1/2-21-16-14-10 
> > 
> > Metal Link **** 86 tip 
> > 26-20-14-11-7 
> > 
> > Stan Getz 
> > Metal Link 87 tip 
> > 27-20-13-10-6 1/2 
> > Rico 3 reed 
> > 
> > White Brilhart 93 tip 
> > 24-18-13-10-7 
> > 
> > John Coltrane 
> > Metal Link 100 tip 
> > 27-20-15-12-8 
> > Rico 3 1/2 reed 
> > 
> > Metal Link Tone Master 96 tip 
> > 26-10-15-12-8 
> > 
> > Charlie Parker 
> > 71 tip 
> > 21-15-10-7 1/2-4 
> > 
> > Art Pepper 
> > 84 tip 
> > 23-17-11 1/2-9-6 
> > 
> > Paul Desmond 
> > 75 tip 
> > 19-14-10-7-4 
> > Rico 3 reed 
> > 
> > Phil Woods 
> > Meyer 75 tip 
> > 20-15-10-8-5 
> > 
> > Johnny Hodges 
> > Metal Link 5* 76 tip 
> > 22-16-11-9-5 
> > 
> > 85 tip 
> > 23-16-11 1/2-9-6 
> > 
> > 83 tip 
> > 23-16 1/2-11 1/2-9-6 
> > 
> > Lester Young 
> > Brilhart 5* 95 tip 
> > 25-19-14-12-8 
> > 
> > I've also got clarinet facings for Benny Goodman, Pete Fountain, 
> > Buddy DeFranco, Peanuts Hucko and Henry Cuesta if anyone wants them.
> >
>



                         

             
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Hi all,
excuse the newbie question.
What feelers size do those readouts refer to?
I have a Master Link that has been worked on and I would like to compare the curve to those posted here, but I generally use feelers in steps of .005.
Thank you

Mike

When you see a 5 number facing it usually is taken using the classic Erik Brand feeler set:
.0015, .010, .024, .034, .050" 

 Many of us feel this set of feelers is inadequate to do refacing work on modern sax mouthpieces.

Thanks a lot for the quick reply.
Mike