Mouthpiece Work / vinyl bite patches
FROM: baribri (baribri)
SUBJECT: vinyl bite patches
If any body cares to share,
I have a chipped tooth and go thru these patches pretty quickly 
(please don't even mention those rubber patches, I hate the feel of 
them). Because my favorite is the ones made by VanDoren they are 
pretty expensive and do not last very long for me, maybe one every 
three or four days between gigs and practice, especially on bari sax. 
I thought I found the "holy grail" when I was told to try making my 
own out of a material you can buy in most motorcycle shops, it is a 
clear vinyl material used to paste on motorcycle windshields 
especially when riders want to stick numbers or other things on. Well 
it works alright and is about as strong as the other patches but the 
peel off backing and glue does not work as well as the VanDoren 
patches. The self made ones seem to slip off after warming up for a 
couple of uses and it can get you crazy when it happens on a gig. 
This is even after cleaning the mouthpiece with various soaps, 
solvents etc. nothing seems to work. Any experiences like this out 
there?
Brian
FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: vinyl bite patches
The patches made by Runyon, sold under the Runyon label and the Selmer
label are available in two materials.  One is a black rubber, the other
a clear material.  The black cuts through easier, but the clear lasts a
very long time.

You may be satisfied with only the clear ones.  But the clear and black
are both cut on the same die cutting machine.  So something Santy showed
me, you can place a black patch on the mouthpiece, and directly on top
of that, a clear one.  The soft black rubber gives comfort, while
tougher clear material prevents bite through.

Paul

baribri wrote:

>  If any body cares to share,
> I have a chipped tooth and go thru these patches pretty quickly
> (please don't even mention those rubber patches, I hate the feel of
> them). Because my favorite is the ones made by VanDoren they are
> pretty expensive and do not last very long for me, maybe one every
> three or four days between gigs and practice, especially on bari sax.
> I thought I found the "holy grail" when I was told to try making my
> own out of a material you can buy in most motorcycle shops, it is a
> clear vinyl material used to paste on motorcycle windshields
> especially when riders want to stick numbers or other things on. Well
> it works alright and is about as strong as the other patches but the
> peel off backing and glue does not work as well as the VanDoren
> patches. The self made ones seem to slip off after warming up for a
> couple of uses and it can get you crazy when it happens on a gig.
> This is even after cleaning the mouthpiece with various soaps,
> solvents etc. nothing seems to work. Any experiences like this out
> there?
> Brian
>
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: vinyl bite patches
The clear Runyon/Selmer patches will stay on very well.  The adhesive
will keep it on for well over a year.  I have had some on for two or
three years with no problem.  If you peel it off, it will not leave a
gummy mess, but come off fairly cleanly.

Paul

baribri wrote:

>  If any body cares to share,
> I have a chipped tooth and go thru these patches pretty quickly
> (please don't even mention those rubber patches, I hate the feel of
> them). Because my favorite is the ones made by VanDoren they are
> pretty expensive and do not last very long for me, maybe one every
> three or four days between gigs and practice, especially on bari sax.
> I thought I found the "holy grail" when I was told to try making my
> own out of a material you can buy in most motorcycle shops, it is a
> clear vinyl material used to paste on motorcycle windshields
> especially when riders want to stick numbers or other things on. Well
> it works alright and is about as strong as the other patches but the
> peel off backing and glue does not work as well as the VanDoren
> patches. The self made ones seem to slip off after warming up for a
> couple of uses and it can get you crazy when it happens on a gig.
> This is even after cleaning the mouthpiece with various soaps,
> solvents etc. nothing seems to work. Any experiences like this out
> there?
> Brian
>
>
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FROM: baribri (Brian Axelrod)
SUBJECT: Re: vinyl bite patches
Thanks but I have tried that and I really hate that soft feeling this thickness gives, I am just spoiled that I like the extra grip of one layer of vinyl gives the bite.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Coats 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] vinyl bite patches


  The patches made by Runyon, sold under the Runyon label and the Selmer label are available in two materials.  One is a black rubber, the other a clear material.  The black cuts through easier, but the clear lasts a very long time. 
  You may be satisfied with only the clear ones.  But the clear and black are both cut on the same die cutting machine.  So something Santy showed me, you can place a black patch on the mouthpiece, and directly on top of that, a clear one.  The soft black rubber gives comfort, while tougher clear material prevents bite through. 

  Paul 

  baribri wrote: 

     If any body cares to share, 
    I have a chipped tooth and go thru these patches pretty quickly 
    (please don't even mention those rubber patches, I hate the feel of 
    them). Because my favorite is the ones made by VanDoren they are 
    pretty expensive and do not last very long for me, maybe one every 
    three or four days between gigs and practice, especially on bari sax. 
    I thought I found the "holy grail" when I was told to try making my 
    own out of a material you can buy in most motorcycle shops, it is a 
    clear vinyl material used to paste on motorcycle windshields 
    especially when riders want to stick numbers or other things on. Well 
    it works alright and is about as strong as the other patches but the 
    peel off backing and glue does not work as well as the VanDoren 
    patches. The self made ones seem to slip off after warming up for a 
    couple of uses and it can get you crazy when it happens on a gig. 
    This is even after cleaning the mouthpiece with various soaps, 
    solvents etc. nothing seems to work. Any experiences like this out 
    there? 
    Brian 
      

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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: vinyl bite patches
Then try it with just the clear patch only.

Paul

Brian Axelrod wrote:

> Thanks but I have tried that and I really hate that soft feeling this
> thickness gives, I am just spoiled that I like the extra grip of one
> layer of vinyl gives the bite.
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Paul Coats
>      To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
>      Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:00 PM
>      Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] vinyl bite patches
>       The patches made by Runyon, sold under the Runyon label and
>      the Selmer label are available in two materials.  One is a
>      black rubber, the other a clear material.  The black cuts
>      through easier, but the clear lasts a very long time.
>
>      You may be satisfied with only the clear ones.  But the
>      clear and black are both cut on the same die cutting
>      machine.  So something Santy showed me, you can place a
>      black patch on the mouthpiece, and directly on top of that,
>      a clear one.  The soft black rubber gives comfort, while
>      tougher clear material prevents bite through.
>
>      Paul
>
>      baribri wrote:
>
>     >  If any body cares to share,
>     > I have a chipped tooth and go thru these patches pretty
>     > quickly
>     > (please don't even mention those rubber patches, I hate
>     > the feel of
>     > them). Because my favorite is the ones made by VanDoren
>     > they are
>     > pretty expensive and do not last very long for me, maybe
>     > one every
>     > three or four days between gigs and practice, especially
>     > on bari sax.
>     > I thought I found the "holy grail" when I was told to try
>     > making my
>     > own out of a material you can buy in most motorcycle
>     > shops, it is a
>     > clear vinyl material used to paste on motorcycle
>     > windshields
>     > especially when riders want to stick numbers or other
>     > things on. Well
>     > it works alright and is about as strong as the other
>     > patches but the
>     > peel off backing and glue does not work as well as the
>     > VanDoren
>     > patches. The self made ones seem to slip off after warming
>     > up for a
>     > couple of uses and it can get you crazy when it happens on
>     > a gig.
>     > This is even after cleaning the mouthpiece with various
>     > soaps,
>     > solvents etc. nothing seems to work. Any experiences like
>     > this out
>     > there?
>     > Brian
>     >
>     >
>     >
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FROM: kwbradbury (kwbradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: vinyl bite patches
The other area to explore is reducing the sharpness of the chipped 
tooth.  A dentist can lightly sand it so the edge is rounded some 
while still retaining its jagged charm.  They could even do more 
extensive restoration work, but heck, I've got a cool flex shaft rig 
and a neat selection of epoxies.  Send the tooth to me and I'll fix 
it no charge.  What color do you want it?
FROM: danny_tb (danny_tb)
SUBJECT: Re: vinyl bite patches
The only thing that I can think of that will stick to virtually 
anything is "sikaflex"... But you don't want to use that stuff... 
It's goop to put on, nearly impossible to get off again, and probably 
highly toxic... Sorry I'm not of any help on this one...
;-)

DB

--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "baribri" <Baribri@o...> wrote:
> If any body cares to share,
> I have a chipped tooth and go thru these patches pretty quickly 
> (please don't even mention those rubber patches, I hate the feel of 
> them). Because my favorite is the ones made by VanDoren they are 
> pretty expensive and do not last very long for me, maybe one every 
> three or four days between gigs and practice, especially on bari 
sax. 
> I thought I found the "holy grail" when I was told to try making my 
> own out of a material you can buy in most motorcycle shops, it is a 
> clear vinyl material used to paste on motorcycle windshields 
> especially when riders want to stick numbers or other things on. 
Well 
> it works alright and is about as strong as the other patches but 
the 
> peel off backing and glue does not work as well as the VanDoren 
> patches. The self made ones seem to slip off after warming up for a 
> couple of uses and it can get you crazy when it happens on a gig. 
> This is even after cleaning the mouthpiece with various soaps, 
> solvents etc. nothing seems to work. Any experiences like this out 
> there?
> Brian
FROM: danny_tb (danny_tb)
SUBJECT: Re: vinyl bite patches
Brian,
I just thought of something... Would you beileve...

Electrical insulation tape...

Perhaps I'm sounding like an echo now, but a couple of layers of that 
stuff will last a while (probably about 5 or 6 hours of playing for 
me, and I have a very slightly chipped tooth - but not as badly 
chipped as your tooth seems to be like), and you're not likely to get 
anything any cheaper. The drawback of this stuff is that it can start 
to slip/stretch a bit after a while, but if you replace it every 
practice session/gig, then it shouldn't be too bad. On the other 
hand, if you have to replace it every drink break during a gig, 
you're still not out of pocket, because you can get a pack of a few 
rolls of the stuff (a couple of hundred metres of it) for next to 
nothing, so it's still likely to be a lot cheaper than the Vandoren 
bits pads.
:-)

By the way... I also use the same tape to build up the thickness of 
my cork, because I can't be bothered taking my sax to the repair man 
to get it fixed properly...
;-)

DB

--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., Brian Axelrod <Baribri@o...> wrote:
> Thanks but I have tried that and I really hate that soft feeling 
this thickness gives, I am just spoiled that I like the extra grip of 
one layer of vinyl gives the bite.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Paul Coats 
>   To: MouthpieceWork@y... 
>   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:00 PM
>   Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] vinyl bite patches
> 
> 
>   The patches made by Runyon, sold under the Runyon label and the 
Selmer label are available in two materials.  One is a black rubber, 
the other a clear material.  The black cuts through easier, but the 
clear lasts a very long time. 
>   You may be satisfied with only the clear ones.  But the clear and 
black are both cut on the same die cutting machine.  So something 
Santy showed me, you can place a black patch on the mouthpiece, and 
directly on top of that, a clear one.  The soft black rubber gives 
comfort, while tougher clear material prevents bite through. 
> 
>   Paul 
> 
>   baribri wrote: 
> 
>      If any body cares to share, 
>     I have a chipped tooth and go thru these patches pretty quickly 
>     (please don't even mention those rubber patches, I hate the 
feel of 
>     them). Because my favorite is the ones made by VanDoren they 
are 
>     pretty expensive and do not last very long for me, maybe one 
every 
>     three or four days between gigs and practice, especially on 
bari sax. 
>     I thought I found the "holy grail" when I was told to try 
making my 
>     own out of a material you can buy in most motorcycle shops, it 
is a 
>     clear vinyl material used to paste on motorcycle windshields 
>     especially when riders want to stick numbers or other things 
on. Well 
>     it works alright and is about as strong as the other patches 
but the 
>     peel off backing and glue does not work as well as the VanDoren 
>     patches. The self made ones seem to slip off after warming up 
for a 
>     couple of uses and it can get you crazy when it happens on a 
gig. 
>     This is even after cleaning the mouthpiece with various soaps, 
>     solvents etc. nothing seems to work. Any experiences like this 
out 
>     there? 
>     Brian 
>       
> 
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