I corresponded with Jon recently - he indicated that he hasn't made the video, due to lack of interest! Maybe we should all petition Jon and let him know that there is plently of interest here!!

Pete

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      1. MPC tools and supply sources reported so far
           From: "jimreed_45409" <jimreed_45409@...>
      2. MPC Tools and Supplies
           From: "jimreed_45409" <jimreed_45409@...>


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:02:42 -0000
   From: "jimreed_45409" <jimreed_45409@...>
Subject: MPC tools and supply sources reported so far

What follows is a reiteration of what I think I've read here so far.  
The main idea behind my doing this is to be sure I've pulled together 
the correct info to begin working with.

Thanks in advance for any feedback, including further clarity or 
details, about this stuff.  I'm not so worried about how accurate the 
supplier info is as I am concerned with and would like feedback about 
the list of tools and supplies I've pulled together from all previous 
postings.

Jim

Allied Supply Corporation  800-558-3226 	
Ed Myers Co. Band Instrument Repair Supplies		
Enco Supply		
Ferree's Band Instrument Tools and Supplies  800-253-2261
	www.ferreestools.com
Instrument Repair Stuff		www.instrumentrepairstuff.com
J.J. Babbitt (contact Jim Green)  219-293-6514	
J.L. Smith & Co.		www.jlsmithco.com
Madison Enterprises (John Winslow of Winslow Ligature)		
Micro Mark - The Small Tools Specialists	
	www.micromark.com
Music Medic		www.musicmedic.com
Ralph Morgan		
SevenSaturdays.com		
Votaw Tool Company  800-894-8665	www.votawtool.com




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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:26:03 -0000
   From: "jimreed_45409" <jimreed_45409@...>
Subject: MPC Tools and Supplies

Once again, what follows is a reiteration of what I think I've read 
here so far.  The main idea behind my doing this remains my concern 
with being sure I've pulled together the correct info to begin 
working with.

No attempt has been made to sort through this stuff and determine 
what items may substitute for others on the list nor have I tried to 
even guess at what might be essential for one person and useless for 
another.  I'm mostly interested in getting somewhat of an idea of 
various, reasonable versus hypothetical, possibilities used by those 
of you currently working with MPCs.

The list is alphabetical and no attempts have been made at 
categorizing things I really don't know enough about to group 
coherently.  For those who already have good ideas about this 
information, please excuse my naiveté here.  Any errors or
omissions 
are probably the result of my having been a hippie college student in 
the sixties coupled with being a somewhat retired person and 
beginning sax player these days.

Thanks in advance for any feedback, including further clarity or 
details, about this stuff.


Jim

bench stand to hold rotary tool
caliper, dial ($35  from Micromark)
caliper, digital (Enco)
caliper, venier
crocus cloth (1200?)
depth gauge w/ half type vs. full bar (?)
Dremel tool
epoxies; some are putties, some are glues
epoxy - Hobbypoxy by Pettit Paint 5 min type hardens in 15 min
     (+several other types/times)
epoxy pigments, tinted (Micromark)
Epoxy, Atlas Plumber's
epoxy, Ferree's Jet Black
epoxy, JB Weld
epoxy, Milliput is moldable and comes in various colors from Micromark
Epoxy, PC-11 Marine
file card ($5.50 Micromark or Home Depot or Ferree's)
file set #60526 (10 pieces, Micromark $14.95):
    10" coarse needle files
file set #80741 (Micromark $32.95) for SS work;
    5 tungsten carbide  files
file, curved, fine
file, needle from Micromark sets
file, Rifler (Micromark)
files, smaller & narrower than in Madison kit (from Micromark)
flex shaft rig for chamber work
foot control by Dremel for variable speed rotary tool use
gauge, glass direct reading
gauge, glass Madison/Winslow
gauge, glass Narrow like a reed width $15; setback zero or flush;
    metric or inches
gauge, glass Wide (1") $15; setback zero or flush; metric or inches
gauge, taper
gauge, wand taper
gauges, feelers - get several of the thin ones:  .015, .020, etc. as 
   they bend easily
gauges, feelers - 
prefs:  .0015,. .005, .0095, .0165, .0245, .033, .0485, .065, .079, .0
955, .125
gauges, feelers $5 (SevenSaturdays) be sure to get a .0015
feeler in one of 2 sets
gauges, feelers (Pepboys)
gauges, feelers in the Winslow 
kit:  .0015, .010, .014, .024, .034,. .048, .063, .077, .094
gauges, feelers sizes .0015, .010, .024, .034, .050
gauges, glass (J.J. Babbitt)
glass, beveled to sand on - try 9" x 11" x 3/8"
glue, E6000 craft (Alene's 7800 in craft stores and Goop Automotive
   Sealant & Adhesive)
glue, gel type CA
granite block, large, level to 15/10,000ths (Enco Supply)
grinding wheel for rotary tool:  3/4" diameter x 1/8" thick
hand tools, various from Micromark
J.B. Weld (for baffles, per Jon Van Wie)
Kit Scratch-Out (shine up an older MPC) from an auto store
manual - book, instruction from Ralph Morgan
manual - The Band Instrument Repair Manual by Erick D. Brand
manual - The Saxophone Is My Voice by Ernest Ferron
manual - The Winslow kit, 12 pages
marker, magic (to mark spots to start working on the facing)
mouthpiece blanks:  try Zinner or Runyon Model 22's (student models)
MPC kit, Babbit??? - used by Steve Goodson(?)
MPC kit, Madison Enterprise (Winslow?) (can get from WW&BW?)
MPC kit, Ralph Morgan
patch, clear mouthpiece
plastiline (oil-based clay), Super Sculpey
polishing compound, plastic - Scratch-Out by Kit (Autozone)
polishing tool, homemade w/handle
putty, 5-min. Devcon
putty, gray epoxybond plumber's
putty, Oatey Epoxy Putty (Home Depot)
putty, poster hanging (Sticky-Tack [sp?] and DAP Fun Tak)
resin for casting baffles
rotary burr (file-like) #80470 $28 Micromark
rotary tool flexible shaft:  #14260 $25 from Micromark/Home Depot
rotary tool like a Dremel
rubber casting materials for mold making for baffles
sandpaper:  220, 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000 wet & dry - the black stuff
silicon carbide paper 600, 800, 1000, 1500 grit
steel wool "0000" for cosmetic chamber and exterior work
Weller rotary tool

Jon Van Wie's upcoming refacing video, as listed on his website.

There are other videos about sax maintenance and repairs but Jon's 
work in progress is the only one about mouthpiece work I've 
discovered so far.  And, I've not gone through the various instrument 
repair manuals for info either.  I am in the process of starting to 
run down published articles about sax and clarinet mouthpieces and 
will be doing what I can through inter-library loans, at least as 
much as I can afford, depending on what other libraries charge for 
photocopies of articles.  If anybody has suggestions beyond the 
articles appearing in Saxophone, they would be most graciously 
appreciated.



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Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

I wonder how one would determine whether or not there's a sufficient 
market for selling a refacing video?

For instance, without any editorial comments about quality, etc., one 
fellow sells self-published videos of sax, clarinet, and flute 
overhauls regularly on eBay, among other venues he may use; search 
using keywords "Bird's Eye View Overhaul".  Another sells a self-
published clarinet, saxophone, and flute repair manual on eBay; 
search using keywords "Clarinet Saxophone Flute Repair Manual".

There are a variety of intermediate, online vendors who do not 
provide direct MPC services but do sell booklets and information, 
such as Gary Van Cott at:  www.vcisinc.com and other sax websites 
which sell a variety of things, such as musicmedic.com and others.

I wonder what sales might be if Jon was to arrange to distribute his 
refacing video to a variety of sources, somewhat as is done with Dr. 
Dan's maintenance video's found at his website and a variety of 
others:  http://originalswab.com/vids.htm.  They are for trumpet, 
clarinet, trombone, saxophone, flute, and violin.

And, if Jon put out an email blitz like Bill Singer has on the sax 
discussion groups, among other possibilities, including clarinet 
sites like sneezy, he might generate enough sales to make producing a 
refacing video worth his while.

It seems enough folks are interested in mouthpiece refacing, as 
evidenced by discussions not only here but on various other sax and 
clarinet lists and sites.  It would just be a matter of figuring out 
how to turn that into sales, I guess.

I think the market is too small.  But it is getting easier to self-
produce and duplicate booklets and videos.  Perhaps a DVD you could 
duplicate yourself, a few at a time, as needed.

Every sax needs maintenance and abuse repairs.  But everyone does not 
need mouthpiece work.  I think everyone can benefit from it, but it 
is not a neccessity.  If you damage your mouthpiece or need a more 
opne one, you can buy a new one.  How many pro shops are there as 
compared to pro refacers?  The ratio is probably 100 to 1 (or more).  
Among amatures, a few of us tweek mouthpieces and tweek saxes.

We have 68 members in this group.  Only 38 are configured to get the 
Emails or the daily Digest.  Only 15 or so have posted messages.

Viewers may not always be users.  Some of the appeal of a refacing 
video may be to the wide variety of players who may never lift a tool 
but would like to know a little more about refacing.  Sort of an 
informed consumer notion to the same market as a lot of folks who buy 
repair manuals but may not do many on their own.  I guess the 
question would come down to what a decent financial breakeven point 
might be, depending on what the costs of video production could end 
up being.

Your idea of something which could be produced inexpensively and 
delivered upon demand seems like a great notion but then I'm just a 
dreamer and not always that practical with my ideas.  Especially 
since I'm sure you're right about not a lot of folks are actually 
interested in doing refacing themselves.