Once again, what follows is a reiteration of what I think I've read 
here so far.  The main idea behind my doing this remains my concern 
with being sure I've pulled together the correct info to begin 
working with.

No attempt has been made to sort through this stuff and determine 
what items may substitute for others on the list nor have I tried to 
even guess at what might be essential for one person and useless for 
another.  I'm mostly interested in getting somewhat of an idea of 
various, reasonable versus hypothetical, possibilities used by those 
of you currently working with MPCs.

The list is alphabetical and no attempts have been made at 
categorizing things I really don't know enough about to group 
coherently.  For those who already have good ideas about this 
information, please excuse my naiveté here.  Any errors or
omissions 
are probably the result of my having been a hippie college student in 
the sixties coupled with being a somewhat retired person and 
beginning sax player these days.

Thanks in advance for any feedback, including further clarity or 
details, about this stuff.


Jim

bench stand to hold rotary tool
caliper, dial ($35  from Micromark)
caliper, digital (Enco)
caliper, venier
crocus cloth (1200?)
depth gauge w/ half type vs. full bar (?)
Dremel tool
epoxies; some are putties, some are glues
epoxy - Hobbypoxy by Pettit Paint 5 min type hardens in 15 min
     (+several other types/times)
epoxy pigments, tinted (Micromark)
Epoxy, Atlas Plumber's
epoxy, Ferree's Jet Black
epoxy, JB Weld
epoxy, Milliput is moldable and comes in various colors from Micromark
Epoxy, PC-11 Marine
file card ($5.50 Micromark or Home Depot or Ferree's)
file set #60526 (10 pieces, Micromark $14.95):
    10" coarse needle files
file set #80741 (Micromark $32.95) for SS work;
    5 tungsten carbide  files
file, curved, fine
file, needle from Micromark sets
file, Rifler (Micromark)
files, smaller & narrower than in Madison kit (from Micromark)
flex shaft rig for chamber work
foot control by Dremel for variable speed rotary tool use
gauge, glass direct reading
gauge, glass Madison/Winslow
gauge, glass Narrow like a reed width $15; setback zero or flush;
    metric or inches
gauge, glass Wide (1") $15; setback zero or flush; metric or inches
gauge, taper
gauge, wand taper
gauges, feelers - get several of the thin ones:  .015, .020, etc. as 
   they bend easily
gauges, feelers - 
prefs:  .0015,. .005, .0095, .0165, .0245, .033, .0485, .065, .079, .0
955, .125
gauges, feelers $5 (SevenSaturdays) be sure to get a .0015
feeler in one of 2 sets
gauges, feelers (Pepboys)
gauges, feelers in the Winslow 
kit:  .0015, .010, .014, .024, .034,. .048, .063, .077, .094
gauges, feelers sizes .0015, .010, .024, .034, .050
gauges, glass (J.J. Babbitt)
glass, beveled to sand on - try 9" x 11" x 3/8"
glue, E6000 craft (Alene's 7800 in craft stores and Goop Automotive
   Sealant & Adhesive)
glue, gel type CA
granite block, large, level to 15/10,000ths (Enco Supply)
grinding wheel for rotary tool:  3/4" diameter x 1/8" thick
hand tools, various from Micromark
J.B. Weld (for baffles, per Jon Van Wie)
Kit Scratch-Out (shine up an older MPC) from an auto store
manual - book, instruction from Ralph Morgan
manual - The Band Instrument Repair Manual by Erick D. Brand
manual - The Saxophone Is My Voice by Ernest Ferron
manual - The Winslow kit, 12 pages
marker, magic (to mark spots to start working on the facing)
mouthpiece blanks:  try Zinner or Runyon Model 22's (student models)
MPC kit, Babbit??? - used by Steve Goodson(?)
MPC kit, Madison Enterprise (Winslow?) (can get from WW&BW?)
MPC kit, Ralph Morgan
patch, clear mouthpiece
plastiline (oil-based clay), Super Sculpey
polishing compound, plastic - Scratch-Out by Kit (Autozone)
polishing tool, homemade w/handle
putty, 5-min. Devcon
putty, gray epoxybond plumber's
putty, Oatey Epoxy Putty (Home Depot)
putty, poster hanging (Sticky-Tack [sp?] and DAP Fun Tak)
resin for casting baffles
rotary burr (file-like) #80470 $28 Micromark
rotary tool flexible shaft:  #14260 $25 from Micromark/Home Depot
rotary tool like a Dremel
rubber casting materials for mold making for baffles
sandpaper:  220, 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000 wet & dry - the black stuff
silicon carbide paper 600, 800, 1000, 1500 grit
steel wool "0000" for cosmetic chamber and exterior work
Weller rotary tool

Jon Van Wie's upcoming refacing video, as listed on his website.

There are other videos about sax maintenance and repairs but Jon's 
work in progress is the only one about mouthpiece work I've 
discovered so far.  And, I've not gone through the various instrument 
repair manuals for info either.  I am in the process of starting to 
run down published articles about sax and clarinet mouthpieces and 
will be doing what I can through inter-library loans, at least as 
much as I can afford, depending on what other libraries charge for 
photocopies of articles.  If anybody has suggestions beyond the 
articles appearing in Saxophone, they would be most graciously 
appreciated.

Nice recap of what is scattered through the postings.  

To your list, I would add some consideration of work space.  A dedicated
workbench would be nice.  I use whatever is available, so tool portability
is important to me.  Most of my tools fit into a briefcase.  This makes for
a quick clean up and organization.

Lighting is a consideration.  Reading the glass gage needs decent lighting.
 Being portable, I have often trouble with this.

Rags.  I use old dish towels to wipe the mouthpiece.

Vacuum.  I do not use it much but I wish it was there when I need it.  The
sandpaper would last longer if the dust was removed.  I also shake out my
rags.  They could be vacuumed.

A notebook/file system is needed.  I store my measurements and log other
notes/observations/analysis.  I have Emails and articles.  Also, and
mouthpiece specs from manufactureres.

Next, you will need to prioritize your list and deal with the redundancy of
some items.  For priorities, I would start with

1. measurement/analysis tools and notebook
2. facing tools (the basic kit stuff)
3. epoxy working (baffles, tip repairs)
4. major chamber work (flex shaft tool)

I kept myself busy for many months just measuring and analyzing every
mouthpiece I could get my hands on.

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Thanks Keith.  Your feedback is precisely the kind of help getting 
organized I really need.  Learning to reface and do some basic work 
with MPC's is shaping up to start around mid-fall, after my outdoor 
concert season ends and before Christmas gigs start rolling in [I'm 
new to being a sax player; it's a non-revenue generating, retirement 
kind of career for me].  It's just that I want to start planning now 
and this is a great place to begin doing so!

A few more tools I find usefull that are not on your list:

A scriber to mark pieces I worked on.  I use a blue needle spring in 
a pin vise.

A pocketknife.  A small curved blade is good for scraping next to a 
tip rail on hard rubber pieces.

Plastic sticks sold at craft stores to spread glue.  They are white, 
about 3" long with one end flat and square and one end flat and 
round.  I use these to push the steel wool back and forth when I'm 
finishing up the chamber.

Micro-Mark putty knives #60737 and #15131 (larger). I have another 
tool similar to #60738 too.

Auto Polishing Compound #7.  I use it to finish the chamber.

A homemade tool to polish the chamber.  A stick of wood or plastic 
cut at an steel angle with cork, leather, and/or chamois glued to 
it.  Need a small one to do sporanos.

A PC.  I like to plot the facing curves and generate new curves as 
targets.  

This is great.  My usual notion of pulling together very elementary, 
if not downright primative, lists, like I posted here, is that, for 
myself, I know there are times when it's very easy to overlook the 
obvious, because I can take something for granted, that another 
person might have to be quite conscious of.

I've started browsing eBay for calipers, primarily dial or digital, 
and don't know the first thing about what good ones are or are not.  
So, I've also ordered several tools catalogs:  Ferree's (in hand 
already), Micro-Mart, and Allied.  My thoughts are to browse whatever 
materials (paper or online catalogs) I can acquire before I start 
accumulating stuff; I'm a pack rat and already have come across 
plenty of mouthpieces, inexpensive ones from garage or similar sales, 
to tinker around with in the beginning.  And, I can borrow some other 
ones from some friends, to measure, as long as that's all I do with 
them.

The suggestion of spending a great deal of time, especially in the 
beginning, making measurements and training myself to be consistent 
and precise according to whatever assumptions I choose to operate 
with makes a lot of sense and is something I might have jumped over, 
before learning to do this as a result my mistakes.  I'm sure I'll 
still have plenty enough opportunities to make some of those anyway.

My idea of general tooling is based on machine operator experience.  For any precision measuring device, or any precision bench tooling or machine tools my first choice would be a supplier that is local, and deals in hand tools for machinists, mold makers, mechanics, etc.  There are several brand names available, many imported names and American made.  The best brand by far is the American made Starrett:

http://www.starrett.com/default.htm

There are none made any better.  Pricey and worth it.

Personally, I stay away from any place that markets to the masses.

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