Mouthpiece Work / Re: Digest Number 41
FROM: philbarone2002 (Phil Barone)
SUBJECT: Re: Digest Number 41
Well, they are made in two halves then soldered together. If the
table/facing were machined down more, an arch would form. Phil
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Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 41
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> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:18:39 -0700
> From: "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 40
>
> Paul,
>
> I don't think I've ever seen one that was one piece but I might very well
> have. I assume if they were cast that they would be one piece.
>
> The problem with consistency comes from quite a few variables, one is the
> height of the table. Since the forgings or castings are kind of rough, it
> takes multiple passes with the facing machine ( I use a CNC machine) to
get
> an even surface on the table. What this translates to is that the baffles
> and chambers are higher or lower. If you look at good older Links, you'll
> see that the area around the u shaped part of the window is thinner and
this
> is not a result of it being filed up from the inside, it's a result of the
> table being machined down. Thus, the play more responsive and generally
are
> a little brighter than new Links.
>
> Now, if you look at the new Links, you'll find that they're quite thick
> there. That's because when the blank is in the vise, there's a lot of
> pressure on the table and it can crack so Babbit makes them heftier to
avoid
> waste. I can't tell you how many pieces I waste because the crack at the
> thin part of the window.
>
> When, I was green behind the ears, I spent a lot of time speculating why
> mouthpiece makers did this or that, now after twenty years at it and some
> engineering classes, I realize that much of what goes into a product is
> determined by 1) the manufacturing process, and 2) cost effectiveness.
> Knowing this, when looking for a Link, look for the one that is thinner by
> the u shaped part of the window BUT ultimately go for what plays the best.
> Phil Barone
>
>
> For all your mouthpiece needs
> WWW.PhilBarone.com
> WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> PhilBarone@...
> PH: (212) 686-9410
> Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
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> > Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:51:55 -0700
> > From: "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 39
> >
> > Paul, the initial halves are made from forging. A very heavy weight
> presses
> > them into a mold. I use investment casting which raises cost
considerably
> > and is extremely difficult but my chambers are very symmetrical. Phil
> >
> >
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> > > Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:21:16 -0500
> > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
> > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 37
> > >
> > > I believe the two halves of Links were (don't know about now)
sandcast,
> > > and brazed or soldered. Then machined to clean up. That all makes
for
> > > a number of places where there are variables. Must make it difficult
to
> > > make it consistent from sample to sample.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > Phil Barone wrote:
> > >
> > > > All Links are soldered together. I personally don't like that
method
> > > > because
> > > > the can become very uneven. Phil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For all your mouthpiece needs
> > > > WWW.PhilBarone.com
> > > > WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
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> > > > > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:21:04 -0000
> > > > > From: "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
> > > > > Subject: Newer Metal Links
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not looked at a lot of Links. I just got a used newer STM
> > > > > 6*. Along the center inside the baffle/chamber there is a ridge.
> > > > > Instead of a nice gentle arch, there are like two arches.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are these MPs still cast in two halves and then joined somehow?
If
> > > > > so, what I am seeing is just some sloppy work on smoothing out the
> > > > > seam.
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> > Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:47:01 -0500
> > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 39
> >
> > Phil, I had read something somewhere, about Links, that way way back
> > they were sandcast. I would be surprised if they were still made that
> > way.
> >
> > Yes, more than anything, a manufacturer needs sample to sample
> > consistency in order to maintain a reputation for quality. A guy needs
> > to know, if I try my friend's SuperSax special, and I order one, will it
> > play the same? You can't have a customer going through a dozen samples
> > to find the one good one. They ALL have to be good. The player
> > deserves nothing less.
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil Barone wrote:
> >
> > > Paul, the initial halves are made from forging. A very heavy weight
> > > presses
> > > them into a mold. I use investment casting which raises cost
> > > considerably
> > > and is extremely difficult but my chambers are very symmetrical. Phil
> > >
> > >
> > > For all your mouthpiece needs
> > > WWW.PhilBarone.com
> > > WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> > > PhilBarone@...
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> > > Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
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> > > > Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:21:16 -0500
> > > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
> > > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 37
> > > >
> > > > I believe the two halves of Links were (don't know about now)
> > > sandcast,
> > > > and brazed or soldered. Then machined to clean up. That all makes
> > > for
> > > > a number of places where there are variables. Must make it
> > > difficult to
> > > > make it consistent from sample to sample.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Phil Barone wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > All Links are soldered together. I personally don't like that
> > > method
> > > > > because
> > > > > the can become very uneven. Phil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For all your mouthpiece needs
> > > > > WWW.PhilBarone.com
> > > > > WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> > > > > PhilBarone@...
> > > > > PH: (212) 686-9410
> > > > > Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
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> > > > > > Subject: Newer Metal Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have not looked at a lot of Links. I just got a used newer
> > > STM
> > > > > > 6*. Along the center inside the baffle/chamber there is a
> > > ridge.
> > > > > > Instead of a nice gentle arch, there are like two arches.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are these MPs still cast in two halves and then joined somehow?
> > > If
> > > > > > so, what I am seeing is just some sloppy work on smoothing out
> > > the
> > > > > > seam.
> > > > > >
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FROM: tenorman1952 (Paul Coats)
SUBJECT: Re: Digest Number 41
I never thought they were made as one piece, just that I thought,
perhaps mistakenly, that I had read that the two halves were sand cast,
then either soldered or brazed together.
Paul
Phil Barone wrote:
> Well, they are made in two halves then soldered together. If the
> table/facing were machined down more, an arch would form. Phil
>
>
> For all your mouthpiece needs
> WWW.PhilBarone.com
> WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> PhilBarone@...
> PH: (212) 686-9410
> Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:46 AM
> Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 41
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> > From: "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@...>
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> > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:18:39 -0700
> > From: "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 40
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > I don't think I've ever seen one that was one piece but I might very
> well
> > have. I assume if they were cast that they would be one piece.
> >
> > The problem with consistency comes from quite a few variables, one
> is the
> > height of the table. Since the forgings or castings are kind of
> rough, it
> > takes multiple passes with the facing machine ( I use a CNC machine)
> to
> get
> > an even surface on the table. What this translates to is that the
> baffles
> > and chambers are higher or lower. If you look at good older Links,
> you'll
> > see that the area around the u shaped part of the window is thinner
> and
> this
> > is not a result of it being filed up from the inside, it's a result
> of the
> > table being machined down. Thus, the play more responsive and
> generally
> are
> > a little brighter than new Links.
> >
> > Now, if you look at the new Links, you'll find that they're quite
> thick
> > there. That's because when the blank is in the vise, there's a lot
> of
> > pressure on the table and it can crack so Babbit makes them heftier
> to
> avoid
> > waste. I can't tell you how many pieces I waste because the crack
> at the
> > thin part of the window.
> >
> > When, I was green behind the ears, I spent a lot of time speculating
> why
> > mouthpiece makers did this or that, now after twenty years at it and
> some
> > engineering classes, I realize that much of what goes into a product
> is
> > determined by 1) the manufacturing process, and 2) cost
> effectiveness.
> > Knowing this, when looking for a Link, look for the one that is
> thinner by
> > the u shaped part of the window BUT ultimately go for what plays the
> best.
> > Phil Barone
> >
> >
> > For all your mouthpiece needs
> > WWW.PhilBarone.com
> > WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> > PhilBarone@...
> > PH: (212) 686-9410
> > Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> > To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:03 AM
> > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 40
> >
> >
> > >
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> see
> the
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> > > 1. Re: Digest Number 39
> > > From: "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@...>
> > > 2. Re: Digest Number 39
> > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
> > >
> > >
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:51:55 -0700
> > > From: "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@...>
> > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 39
> > >
> > > Paul, the initial halves are made from forging. A very heavy
> weight
> > presses
> > > them into a mold. I use investment casting which raises cost
> considerably
> > > and is extremely difficult but my chambers are very symmetrical.
> Phil
> > >
> > >
> > > For all your mouthpiece needs
> > > WWW.PhilBarone.com
> > > WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> > > PhilBarone@...
> > > PH: (212) 686-9410
> > > Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > > 1. Re: Digest Number 37
> > > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
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> > > > Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:21:16 -0500
> > > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
> > > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 37
> > > >
> > > > I believe the two halves of Links were (don't know about now)
> sandcast,
> > > > and brazed or soldered. Then machined to clean up. That all
> makes
> for
> > > > a number of places where there are variables. Must make it
> difficult
> to
> > > > make it consistent from sample to sample.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Phil Barone wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > All Links are soldered together. I personally don't like that
>
> method
> > > > > because
> > > > > the can become very uneven. Phil
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > 1. Newer Metal Links
> > > > > > From: "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
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> > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:21:04 -0000
> > > > > > From: "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
> > > > > > Subject: Newer Metal Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have not looked at a lot of Links. I just got a used
> newer STM
> > > > > > 6*. Along the center inside the baffle/chamber there is a
> ridge.
> > > > > > Instead of a nice gentle arch, there are like two arches.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are these MPs still cast in two halves and then joined
> somehow?
> If
> > > > > > so, what I am seeing is just some sloppy work on smoothing
> out the
> > > > > > seam.
> > > > > >
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:47:01 -0500
> > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
> > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 39
> > >
> > > Phil, I had read something somewhere, about Links, that way way
> back
> > > they were sandcast. I would be surprised if they were still made
> that
> > > way.
> > >
> > > Yes, more than anything, a manufacturer needs sample to sample
> > > consistency in order to maintain a reputation for quality. A guy
> needs
> > > to know, if I try my friend's SuperSax special, and I order one,
> will it
> > > play the same? You can't have a customer going through a dozen
> samples
> > > to find the one good one. They ALL have to be good. The player
> > > deserves nothing less.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil Barone wrote:
> > >
> > > > Paul, the initial halves are made from forging. A very heavy
> weight
> > > > presses
> > > > them into a mold. I use investment casting which raises cost
> > > > considerably
> > > > and is extremely difficult but my chambers are very symmetrical.
> Phil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For all your mouthpiece needs
> > > > WWW.PhilBarone.com
> > > > WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> > > > PhilBarone@...
> > > > PH: (212) 686-9410
> > > > Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:57 AM
> > > > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 39
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> > > > > 1. Re: Digest Number 37
> > > > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
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> > > > > Message: 1
> > > > > Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:21:16 -0500
> > > > > From: Paul Coats <tenorman@...>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 37
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe the two halves of Links were (don't know about now)
> > > > sandcast,
> > > > > and brazed or soldered. Then machined to clean up. That all
> makes
> > > > for
> > > > > a number of places where there are variables. Must make it
> > > > difficult to
> > > > > make it consistent from sample to sample.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil Barone wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > All Links are soldered together. I personally don't like
> that
> > > > method
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > the can become very uneven. Phil
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For all your mouthpiece needs
> > > > > > WWW.PhilBarone.com
> > > > > > WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICES ON BAM CASES!
> > > > > > PhilBarone@...
> > > > > > PH: (212) 686-9410
> > > > > > Incredible Jazz photography at www.ViolaineLenoir.com
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > To: <MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 1:03 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Digest Number 37
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> > > > > > > 1. Newer Metal Links
> > > > > > > From: "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
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> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:21:04 -0000
> > > > > > > From: "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@...>
> > > > > > > Subject: Newer Metal Links
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have not looked at a lot of Links. I just got a used
> newer
> > > > STM
> > > > > > > 6*. Along the center inside the baffle/chamber there is a
>
> > > > ridge.
> > > > > > > Instead of a nice gentle arch, there are like two arches.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are these MPs still cast in two halves and then joined
> somehow?
> > > > If
> > > > > > > so, what I am seeing is just some sloppy work on smoothing
> out
> > > > the
> > > > > > > seam.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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