Mouthpiece Work / SIZE
FROM: tilemakerpro (tilemakerpro)
SUBJECT: SIZE
OK--In my last post I mentioned the pitch of the mouthpieces, off of the sax (as stated by Santy Runyon). I thought every one understood this dOK-- inescription, as what determines the application of the piece. We could make the piece; 2 3/8, 2 3/4, 3, 3 1/4, 3 /2, 3 3/4 , etc., long. We could put different size bores; .500, .535, .625, .687 , etc. With the above assortment of pieces, we could begin to match the pieces to various horns; sopranino, C sop, Bb sop, alto, melody, tenor, bari, etc. The first determining feature would be whether the bore was right size for the neck cork. Of course the neck cork could be made to fit the piece (I wrapped an alto sax neck to accept a soprano clarinet piece once). We must establish a bore size that will be the continuation of the neck taper cone of that particular model! Then we must compensate for the chamber size, with the length of shank vintage large chamber takes a short shank "stubby." A fusion small chamber takes a longing shank. Now the important QUESTION when is the piece designed with "feature balance" for a particular model sax? Remember that I placed a clarinet piece on an alto sax and the intonation was terrible. The soprano clarinet piece is about the same size as an alto sax, but it does not play "A" pitch. The ANSWER is when it freely blows the right pitch as stated by Santy Runyon, It is the right mouthpiece, for that model sax. I have tried several pieces, meant for a particular model sax and most play the correct pitch, without any special effort, because they are made right. Sometimes I have to lip the pitch to it what it is supposed to be. I say throw that piece away, or rework it to be right for that horn. I have been reading of the trial and efforts of players to learn how to play the piece in pitch. To this I say, baloney, if it is a problem to play it in pitch, the design is not balanced. I have mismatched mouthpieces such as a Bb sop on a C sop, or alto and tenor pieces on a C melody. They can be played that way with changes in embouchure control, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong. In conclusion; make the chamber size & shape for "TONE," change the baffle & facing for "EDGE" and the length of shank for "TUNING POSITION." Then check the pitch of the piece by itself and if it does not blow the right pitch, a new set of balancing dimensions must be established, so that the correct
FROM: kwbradbury (kwbradbury)
SUBJECT: Re: SIZE
Santy Runyon's mouthpiece pitch exercise is a guideline to obtaining an embouchure that minimizes intonation problems on a sax. You can deviate by +/- .25-.5 step in pitch from his guidelines and still play well. I do not think the pitch guidelines are universal enough to be usefull in mouthpiece design. Nor were they meant to be. You can give a great mouthpiece to a bunch of great players and they are not all going to obtain the same pitch by playing that mouthpiece alone off the horn. I think they'll be close, but not close enough to judge a mouthpiece as good/bad for pitch unless it is WAY off. So how should you judge chamber size for intonation? I think after you use the pitch exercise to get a good embouchure, test the mouthpiece on a good sax. Tune it so your F1 and F2 are on pitch, then try it over the rest of the range without changing your embouchure by a lot. You may need to raise your tongue some for the palm key notes, especially on soprano, but you should avoid biting them sharp or "yawning" them flat. Sopranos are very sensitive to chamber size and different players and different sopranos will require different chambers. We live in wonderful times that there is such a selection to choose from to help minimize our problems. If your palm keys are sharp, but the rest of the sax is playing in tune, try a smaller chamber mouthpiece. What? Smaller chambers make you play sharper! Sure, but you need to pull the mouthpiece out some to compensate and retune it on the sax. What you get is a longer % cone length change on the high notes (short cone) compared to the low notes (long cone). So the net result of the move to a smaller chamber is to bring the pitch of the high notes closer to the low notes. For flat palm keys, do the opposite. This will work on all saxes, but the soprano is really picky. E. Ferron goes into this discussion further in his book with some light mathematics. I can not duplicate all his mouthpiece placement results, but his priciples are sound.