Hello group,

Is anyone familiar with sax mouthpiece blanks?  Just what makes
it a blank?  Int'l Music Suppliers has some under the brand
name Zinner at: http://www.intlmusicalsuppliers.com/pdf/WWSAXMP.PDF

Thanks,
Ken Barry

A blank is a body without facing.  The chamber is molded in.

Zinner is a German manufacturer that makes very fine blanks.  Their
clarinet blank is used by a number of small "manufacturers".

You can also purchase inexpensive mouthpieces for experimentation.  The
Madison/Winslow kit comes with one each clarinet, alto, tenor
mouthpieces.  These are Runyon Model 22's, student models.  These are
made by Runyon, stamped with their name, or the names of various
instrument manufacturers for inclusion with their new student
instruments.

Perhaps I can swing a deal on a quantity of these for use as "blanks" to
learn on?

There is no better way to learn the mouthpiece art than to start with a
known, playable mouthpiece, then modify it, play it, see what happens.
It will do one of two things, play better, or play worse.  But it is
good to have a standard, a starting point.

Again, the Zinners are excellent, well made blanks.

Paul

tenorsaxx wrote:

>  Hello group,
>
> Is anyone familiar with sax mouthpiece blanks?  Just what makes
> it a blank?  Int'l Music Suppliers has some under the brand
> name Zinner at: http://www.intlmusicalsuppliers.com/pdf/WWSAXMP.PDF
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Barry
>
>
>
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Usually it would mean rough out of the mold, not faced yet.  But it is
possible that they are all faced to what would be included with a student
sax. 

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--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> A blank is a body without facing.  The chamber is molded in.
> 

Thanks -- Do you know what the baffle looks like?  Is there enough 
there to shape a custom one, and enough material in the chamber to 
carve out chamber openings if one so chooses?

> Zinner is a German manufacturer that makes very fine blanks.  Their
> clarinet blank is used by a number of small "manufacturers".
> 
> You can also purchase inexpensive mouthpieces for experimentation.  

I have had good success with King stock mpc's on tenor.  They seem to 
be made of good rubber, with a Link-type baffle and sidewalls.  I 
have 2 of them, one that I worked on myself and one I sent to Jon Van 
Wie to see what really good craftsmanship looks like. :-)  I think 
these blanks were pretty old.  I don't know what the new ones are 
made from.   I used to work on plastic mouthpieces for 
experimentation, but the material is just too soft -- the top teeth 
leave a big gouge after a while.  H.Couf also made some good rubber 
pieces with really high baffles.

> The
> Madison/Winslow kit comes with one each clarinet, alto, tenor
> mouthpieces.  These are Runyon Model 22's, student models.  These 
are
> made by Runyon, stamped with their name, or the names of various
> instrument manufacturers for inclusion with their new student
> instruments.
> 

Are they rubber?  Or really good plastic?  I think I remember them 
being injection-molded.

> Perhaps I can swing a deal on a quantity of these for use 
as "blanks" to
> learn on?
> 
> There is no better way to learn the mouthpiece art than to start 
with a
> known, playable mouthpiece, then modify it, play it, see what 
happens.
> It will do one of two things, play better, or play worse.  But it is
> good to have a standard, a starting point.

Agreed.  I'm interested in blanks to have a good starting point once 
I know what all the dimensions should be.
 
Thanks,
Ken Barry  http://www.kbspace.com

> Again, the Zinners are excellent, well made blanks.
> 
> Paul
> 
> tenorsaxx wrote:
> 
> >  Hello group,
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with sax mouthpiece blanks?  Just what makes
> > it a blank?  

The Zinner clarinet blank is the one I am most familiar with.  It is
pretty much a straight line baffle, classical type.  If you want a high
baffle you will need to use epoxy.

I have  King alto mouthpiece that is a Runyon 22.  I would have to look
at your Kink tenors to ID them.

The Runyon plastic is pretty tough.  It is actually a blend of acrylic
and synthetic rubber, engineered to vibrate the same as hard rubber.
The beak does not wear excessively from teeth, unless the player is a
real "Iron Jaw" type.  The Runyons are injection molded, but the facing
is machined, the baffle and tip are hand finished.

The Couf soprano piece is actually the Runyon Custom.  I think the other
Coufs are from another source.

I can probably get the Runyons for under $10 each.  Less if we leave off
caps and ligatures.  If clarinets, less if we leave off the cork, too,
and you cork it yourself.  So, if this is a good idea, I would need to
know how many to order... and clarinet, alto, or tenor.

Paul

tenorsaxx wrote:

>  --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> > A blank is a body without facing.  The chamber is molded in.
> >
>
> Thanks -- Do you know what the baffle looks like?  Is there enough
> there to shape a custom one, and enough material in the chamber to
> carve out chamber openings if one so chooses?
>
> > Zinner is a German manufacturer that makes very fine blanks.  Their
> > clarinet blank is used by a number of small "manufacturers".
> >
> > You can also purchase inexpensive mouthpieces for experimentation.
>
> I have had good success with King stock mpc's on tenor.  They seem to
> be made of good rubber, with a Link-type baffle and sidewalls.  I
> have 2 of them, one that I worked on myself and one I sent to Jon Van
> Wie to see what really good craftsmanship looks like. :-)  I think
> these blanks were pretty old.  I don't know what the new ones are
> made from.   I used to work on plastic mouthpieces for
> experimentation, but the material is just too soft -- the top teeth
> leave a big gouge after a while.  H.Couf also made some good rubber
> pieces with really high baffles.
>
> > The
> > Madison/Winslow kit comes with one each clarinet, alto, tenor
> > mouthpieces.  These are Runyon Model 22's, student models.  These
> are
> > made by Runyon, stamped with their name, or the names of various
> > instrument manufacturers for inclusion with their new student
> > instruments.
> >
>
> Are they rubber?  Or really good plastic?  I think I remember them
> being injection-molded.
>
> > Perhaps I can swing a deal on a quantity of these for use
> as "blanks" to
> > learn on?
> >
> > There is no better way to learn the mouthpiece art than to start
> with a
> > known, playable mouthpiece, then modify it, play it, see what
> happens.
> > It will do one of two things, play better, or play worse.  But it is
>
> > good to have a standard, a starting point.
>
> Agreed.  I'm interested in blanks to have a good starting point once
> I know what all the dimensions should be.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Barry  http://www.kbspace.com
>
> > Again, the Zinners are excellent, well made blanks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > tenorsaxx wrote:
> >
> > >  Hello group,
> > >
> > > Is anyone familiar with sax mouthpiece blanks?  Just what makes
> > > it a blank?
>
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There are also a lot of clarinet mouthpieces for around $10 on eBay.  There
are some inexpensive sax ones too.  You usually need to buy several in a
lot for a good price.

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--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> I have  King alto mouthpiece that is a Runyon 22.  I would have to 
look
> at your Kink tenors to ID them.

I'll try to get some photos up to the Photos section tonight.

> 
> The Runyon plastic is pretty tough.  It is actually a blend of 
acrylic
> and synthetic rubber, engineered to vibrate the same as hard rubber.
> The beak does not wear excessively from teeth, unless the player is 
a
> real "Iron Jaw" type.  The Runyons are injection molded, but the 
facing
> is machined, the baffle and tip are hand finished.

Sounds good -- I'd like to try working & playing on one of those.
 
> I can probably get the Runyons for under $10 each.  Less if we 
leave off
> caps and ligatures.  If clarinets, less if we leave off the cork, 
too,
> and you cork it yourself.  So, if this is a good idea, I would need 
to
> know how many to order... and clarinet, alto, or tenor.
> 
> Paul

I'll take 3 tenors please.  Let me know the details.

Man, this group is great.  

Thanks,
Ken Barry

Another good mouthpiece to experiment on... Woodwind and Brasswind has
the "Bundy Special Plastic" alto sax piece.  This is usually around $6.

Paul

Keith Bradbury wrote:

>  There are also a lot of clarinet mouthpieces for around $10 on eBay.
> There
> are some inexpensive sax ones too.  You usually need to buy several in
> a
> lot for a good price.
>
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Let's all get "pre orders" sent to me at tenorman@...

Then I will see how many of each, total, and see what I can do from the
factory.  If we get them with less finish work, say, with no logos, just
a basic facing on there, we could probably do better as far as cost.

So, what do you think...ligature and cap, or just a mouthpiece?

Paul

tenorsaxx wrote:

>  --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> > I have  King alto mouthpiece that is a Runyon 22.  I would have to
> look
> > at your Kink tenors to ID them.
>
> I'll try to get some photos up to the Photos section tonight.
>
> >
> > The Runyon plastic is pretty tough.  It is actually a blend of
> acrylic
> > and synthetic rubber, engineered to vibrate the same as hard rubber.
>
> > The beak does not wear excessively from teeth, unless the player is
> a
> > real "Iron Jaw" type.  The Runyons are injection molded, but the
> facing
> > is machined, the baffle and tip are hand finished.
>
> Sounds good -- I'd like to try working & playing on one of those.
>
> > I can probably get the Runyons for under $10 each.  Less if we
> leave off
> > caps and ligatures.  If clarinets, less if we leave off the cork,
> too,
> > and you cork it yourself.  So, if this is a good idea, I would need
> to
> > know how many to order... and clarinet, alto, or tenor.
> >
> > Paul
>
> I'll take 3 tenors please.  Let me know the details.
>
> Man, this group is great.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Barry
>
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Hi All,

I just found (and joined) this group!! Awesome!!

I, too, am interested in acquiring some mouthpiece blanks
(though, it is some time since the original post)

I'd like to start with 3 Tenor pieces, too. Let me know the details
(email: Peter_Rawlings (at) ADC (dot) com.

Thaks,
Pete

--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "tenorsaxx" <tenorsaxx@y...> wrote:
> --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> > I have  King alto mouthpiece that is a Runyon 22.  I would have 
to 
> look
> > at your Kink tenors to ID them.
> 
> I'll try to get some photos up to the Photos section tonight.
> 
> > 
> > The Runyon plastic is pretty tough.  It is actually a blend of 
> acrylic
> > and synthetic rubber, engineered to vibrate the same as hard 
rubber.
> > The beak does not wear excessively from teeth, unless the player 
is 
> a
> > real "Iron Jaw" type.  The Runyons are injection molded, but the 
> facing
> > is machined, the baffle and tip are hand finished.
> 
> Sounds good -- I'd like to try working & playing on one of those.
>  
> > I can probably get the Runyons for under $10 each.  Less if we 
> leave off
> > caps and ligatures.  If clarinets, less if we leave off the cork, 
> too,
> > and you cork it yourself.  So, if this is a good idea, I would 
need 
> to
> > know how many to order... and clarinet, alto, or tenor.
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> I'll take 3 tenors please.  Let me know the details.
> 
> Man, this group is great.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken Barry

Since this is just for learning on, when I order, and it will be for
everyone at the same time, will be getting only alto blanks.

I think I can get to under $5 each, with a facing put on, no markings,
no lig, no cap.

Paul

petersax999 wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> I just found (and joined) this group!! Awesome!!
>
> I, too, am interested in acquiring some mouthpiece blanks
> (though, it is some time since the original post)
>
> I'd like to start with 3 Tenor pieces, too. Let me know the details
> (email: Peter_Rawlings (at) ADC (dot) com.
>
> Thaks,
> Pete
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "tenorsaxx" <tenorsaxx@y...> wrote:
> > --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> > > I have  King alto mouthpiece that is a Runyon 22.  I would have
> to
> > look
> > > at your Kink tenors to ID them.
> >
> > I'll try to get some photos up to the Photos section tonight.
> >
> > >
> > > The Runyon plastic is pretty tough.  It is actually a blend of
> > acrylic
> > > and synthetic rubber, engineered to vibrate the same as hard
> rubber.
> > > The beak does not wear excessively from teeth, unless the player
> is
> > a
> > > real "Iron Jaw" type.  The Runyons are injection molded, but the
> > facing
> > > is machined, the baffle and tip are hand finished.
> >
> > Sounds good -- I'd like to try working & playing on one of those.
> >
> > > I can probably get the Runyons for under $10 each.  Less if we
> > leave off
> > > caps and ligatures.  If clarinets, less if we leave off the cork,
> > too,
> > > and you cork it yourself.  So, if this is a good idea, I would
> need
> > to
> > > know how many to order... and clarinet, alto, or tenor.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > I'll take 3 tenors please.  Let me know the details.
> >
> > Man, this group is great.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken Barry
>
>
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On the other hand... several guys have been asking for tenor blanks...
let me see and I will get back to you.

Paul

petersax999 wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> I just found (and joined) this group!! Awesome!!
>
> I, too, am interested in acquiring some mouthpiece blanks
> (though, it is some time since the original post)
>
> I'd like to start with 3 Tenor pieces, too. Let me know the details
> (email: Peter_Rawlings (at) ADC (dot) com.
>
> Thaks,
> Pete
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "tenorsaxx" <tenorsaxx@y...> wrote:
> > --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> > > I have  King alto mouthpiece that is a Runyon 22.  I would have
> to
> > look
> > > at your Kink tenors to ID them.
> >
> > I'll try to get some photos up to the Photos section tonight.
> >
> > >
> > > The Runyon plastic is pretty tough.  It is actually a blend of
> > acrylic
> > > and synthetic rubber, engineered to vibrate the same as hard
> rubber.
> > > The beak does not wear excessively from teeth, unless the player
> is
> > a
> > > real "Iron Jaw" type.  The Runyons are injection molded, but the
> > facing
> > > is machined, the baffle and tip are hand finished.
> >
> > Sounds good -- I'd like to try working & playing on one of those.
> >
> > > I can probably get the Runyons for under $10 each.  Less if we
> > leave off
> > > caps and ligatures.  If clarinets, less if we leave off the cork,
> > too,
> > > and you cork it yourself.  So, if this is a good idea, I would
> need
> > to
> > > know how many to order... and clarinet, alto, or tenor.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > I'll take 3 tenors please.  Let me know the details.
> >
> > Man, this group is great.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken Barry
>
>
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Thanks!

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Coats [mailto:tenorman@...]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:27 PM
To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Mpc. blanks


On the other hand... several guys have been asking for tenor blanks...
let me see and I will get back to you.

Paul

petersax999 wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> I just found (and joined) this group!! Awesome!!
>
> I, too, am interested in acquiring some mouthpiece blanks
> (though, it is some time since the original post)
>
> I'd like to start with 3 Tenor pieces, too. Let me know the details
> (email: Peter_Rawlings (at) ADC (dot) com.
>
> Thaks,
> Pete
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "tenorsaxx" <tenorsaxx@y...> wrote:
> > --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., tenorman@t... wrote:
> > > I have  King alto mouthpiece that is a Runyon 22.  I would have
> to
> > look
> > > at your Kink tenors to ID them.
> >
> > I'll try to get some photos up to the Photos section tonight.
> >
> > >
> > > The Runyon plastic is pretty tough.  It is actually a blend of
> > acrylic
> > > and synthetic rubber, engineered to vibrate the same as hard
> rubber.
> > > The beak does not wear excessively from teeth, unless the player
> is
> > a
> > > real "Iron Jaw" type.  The Runyons are injection molded, but the
> > facing
> > > is machined, the baffle and tip are hand finished.
> >
> > Sounds good -- I'd like to try working & playing on one of those.
> >
> > > I can probably get the Runyons for under $10 each.  Less if we
> > leave off
> > > caps and ligatures.  If clarinets, less if we leave off the cork,
> > too,
> > > and you cork it yourself.  So, if this is a good idea, I would
> need
> > to
> > > know how many to order... and clarinet, alto, or tenor.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > I'll take 3 tenors please.  Let me know the details.
> >
> > Man, this group is great.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken Barry
>
>
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