Have you ever tried to find information on mouthpiece making or 
refacing?  Until now you've been pretty much on your own.  It is such 
a niche field that very little has been written down to help you get 
started or to help refine your skills.  Pros working in the field are 
usually too busy working on pieces or they regard their methods as 
trade secrets.   I think there is plenty of work to go around and we 
need to communicate to elevate the art and science of mouthpiece work.

It is my hope that we will accumulate files and photos pertaining to 
mouthpiece work.  I look forward to an active forum where we can 
share our ideas and experiences.   

I have decided to start the group as open to the public and 
unmoderated.   I belong to some good groups set up this way.  If we 
have problems in the future, I'll consider changing it.

Welcome.  Start by posting your level of activity and interest.  

MojoBari

Very cool idea Mojo,

I have thought about tinkering a bit, but haven't the time to chase 
down the needed info. if I can find it all in one place it will ease 
that trouble, then it will be finding the time ;-) (4 kids etc etc 
doesn't leave much huh?)

I have a Jumbo Java T45, that I would like to just clean up a bit, a 
few nicks on the inside of the side rails, and I've thought about 
experimenting with making it a Deep V . maybe open the tip a bit as 
well...


--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> Have you ever tried to find information on mouthpiece making or 
> refacing?  Until now you've been pretty much on your own.  It is 
such 
> a niche field that very little has been written down to help you 
get 
> started or to help refine your skills.  Pros working in the field 
are 
> usually too busy working on pieces or they regard their methods as 
> trade secrets.   I think there is plenty of work to go around and 
we 
> need to communicate to elevate the art and science of mouthpiece 
work.
> 
> It is my hope that we will accumulate files and photos pertaining 
to 
> mouthpiece work.  I look forward to an active forum where we can 
> share our ideas and experiences.   
> 
> I have decided to start the group as open to the public and 
> unmoderated.   I belong to some good groups set up this way.  If we 
> have problems in the future, I'll consider changing it.
> 
> Welcome.  Start by posting your level of activity and interest.  
> 
> MojoBari

Hi,

Thanks Keith for setting up this group!

I'm mainly a tenor player, and for the last 3 years have played on 
pieces either customized by myself or Jon Van Wie, whom I highly 
recommend by the way.  I play both rollover-baffle pieces and 
straight - angled ledge baffle pieces (like Dukoff), and find places 
for both in my playing.  My mouthpiece experience includes some
refacing, tip curve shaping, experimenting with baffle shapes, some 
chamber stuff, some inner side wall stuff.  I've tried the "bullet-
chamber" shape and like the loudness, but can't get the vibrato and 
tone I like yet. I was inspired to start working on my own 
mouthpieces after experimenting with an unsatisfactory piece that 
had "mini-tracks" built into the baffle.  Many thanks to JVW for
his help with understanding the role of various mouthpiece parameters.

Over and out,
Ken Barry
kb@...

Thanks, Keith! This is one area that I'm really anxious to learn more about. I've gotten hands on instruction from Santy Runyon, Paul Coats, and Ron Cohelo, and have corresponded at length with Jon Van Wie (who does all of my personal mouthpieces) and Bob Ackerman. I've got all of the tools, but never seemed to be able to develop the "chops" necessary to do great refacing. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn from others.

STEVE GOODSON
New Orleans
www.saxgourmet.com
(504) 895-6859 M-Th 10 - 3; Fr 10 - noon

Steve endorses and uses UNISON saxophones; 
RUNYON mouthpieces; MASTERPIECE 
necks; HORN DOCTOR key clamps;
MUSICMEDIC repair kits; and ED MYERS
repair tools.

Bill, I suggest you don't work on your primary mouthpiece; not even 
just cleaning it up.  It can really mess you up. Phil Barone

--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "billmecca" <bill@b...> wrote:
> Very cool idea Mojo,
> 
> I have thought about tinkering a bit, but haven't the time to chase 
> down the needed info. if I can find it all in one place it will 
ease 
> that trouble, then it will be finding the time ;-) (4 kids etc etc 
> doesn't leave much huh?)
> 
> I have a Jumbo Java T45, that I would like to just clean up a bit, 
a 
> few nicks on the inside of the side rails, and I've thought about 
> experimenting with making it a Deep V . maybe open the tip a bit as 
> well...
> 
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> > Have you ever tried to find information on mouthpiece making or 
> > refacing?  Until now you've been pretty much on your own.  It is 
> such 
> > a niche field that very little has been written down to help you 
> get 
> > started or to help refine your skills.  Pros working in the field 
> are 
> > usually too busy working on pieces or they regard their methods 
as 
> > trade secrets.   I think there is plenty of work to go around and 
> we 
> > need to communicate to elevate the art and science of mouthpiece 
> work.
> > 
> > It is my hope that we will accumulate files and photos pertaining 
> to 
> > mouthpiece work.  I look forward to an active forum where we can 
> > share our ideas and experiences.   
> > 
> > I have decided to start the group as open to the public and 
> > unmoderated.   I belong to some good groups set up this way.  If 
we 
> > have problems in the future, I'll consider changing it.
> > 
> > Welcome.  Start by posting your level of activity and interest.  
> > 
> > MojoBari

Certainly right on the mark, Phil!  That is why I suggested we do as is
suggested by John Winslow, and use some student model pieces,
inexpensive, yet good players to start with.  Then experiment to find
our for ourselves what change has what effect.  Constant working and
playing is the only way to learn this.

I turned a lot of good mouthpieces into junk before I started to get
some results.  But this was working in a vacuum... no internet help 30
years ago.

Paul

philbarone2002 wrote:

>  Bill, I suggest you don't work on your primary mouthpiece; not even
> just cleaning it up.  It can really mess you up. Phil Barone
>
> --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "billmecca" <bill@b...> wrote:
> > Very cool idea Mojo,
> >
> > I have thought about tinkering a bit, but haven't the time to chase
> > down the needed info. if I can find it all in one place it will
> ease
> > that trouble, then it will be finding the time ;-) (4 kids etc etc
> > doesn't leave much huh?)
> >
> > I have a Jumbo Java T45, that I would like to just clean up a bit,
> a
> > few nicks on the inside of the side rails, and I've thought about
> > experimenting with making it a Deep V . maybe open the tip a bit as
> > well...
> >
> >
> > --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> > > Have you ever tried to find information on mouthpiece making or
> > > refacing?  Until now you've been pretty much on your own.  It is
> > such
> > > a niche field that very little has been written down to help you
> > get
> > > started or to help refine your skills.  Pros working in the field
> > are
> > > usually too busy working on pieces or they regard their methods
> as
> > > trade secrets.   I think there is plenty of work to go around and
> > we
> > > need to communicate to elevate the art and science of mouthpiece
> > work.
> > >
> > > It is my hope that we will accumulate files and photos pertaining
> > to
> > > mouthpiece work.  I look forward to an active forum where we can
> > > share our ideas and experiences.
> > >
> > > I have decided to start the group as open to the public and
> > > unmoderated.   I belong to some good groups set up this way.  If
> we
> > > have problems in the future, I'll consider changing it.
> > >
> > > Welcome.  Start by posting your level of activity and interest.
> > >
> > > MojoBari
>
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Paul, something we overlook also is that the chamber reigns king over the facing when it comes to importance in changing the sound.  Facings are a good start but knowing your chamber work is what seperates the men from the boys. Phil
                  

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tenorman@... 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [MouthpieceWork] Re: Welcome!


  Certainly right on the mark, Phil!  That is why I suggested we do as is suggested by John Winslow, and use some student model pieces, inexpensive, yet good players to start with.  Then experiment to find our for ourselves what change has what effect.  Constant working and playing is the only way to learn this. 
  I turned a lot of good mouthpieces into junk before I started to get some results.  But this was working in a vacuum... no internet help 30 years ago. 

  Paul 

  philbarone2002 wrote: 

     Bill, I suggest you don't work on your primary mouthpiece; not even 
    just cleaning it up.  It can really mess you up. Phil Barone 
    --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "billmecca" <bill@b...> wrote: 
    > Very cool idea Mojo, 
    > 
    > I have thought about tinkering a bit, but haven't the time to chase 
    > down the needed info. if I can find it all in one place it will 
    ease 
    > that trouble, then it will be finding the time ;-) (4 kids etc etc 
    > doesn't leave much huh?) 
    > 
    > I have a Jumbo Java T45, that I would like to just clean up a bit, 
    a 
    > few nicks on the inside of the side rails, and I've thought about 
    > experimenting with making it a Deep V . maybe open the tip a bit as 
    > well... 
    > 
    > 
    > --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@y...> wrote: 
    > > Have you ever tried to find information on mouthpiece making or 
    > > refacing?  Until now you've been pretty much on your own.  It is 
    > such 
    > > a niche field that very little has been written down to help you 
    > get 
    > > started or to help refine your skills.  Pros working in the field 
    > are 
    > > usually too busy working on pieces or they regard their methods 
    as 
    > > trade secrets.   I think there is plenty of work to go around and 
    > we 
    > > need to communicate to elevate the art and science of mouthpiece 
    > work. 
    > > 
    > > It is my hope that we will accumulate files and photos pertaining 
    > to 
    > > mouthpiece work.  I look forward to an active forum where we can 
    > > share our ideas and experiences. 
    > > 
    > > I have decided to start the group as open to the public and 
    > > unmoderated.   I belong to some good groups set up this way.  If 
    we 
    > > have problems in the future, I'll consider changing it. 
    > > 
    > > Welcome.  Start by posting your level of activity and interest. 
    > > 
    > > MojoBari 
      

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Hey man, got any tips for us boys? ;-)

Besides just having a good eye and feel for it, how can we approach 
chamber work?  Unlike facings, it is difficult to measure what makes 
a good chamber.  Especially into the throat.


--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@P...> wrote:
> Paul, something we overlook also is that the chamber reigns king 
over the facing when it comes to importance in changing the sound.  
Facings are a good start but knowing your chamber work is what 
seperates the men from the boys. Phil

Well, it gets a little complicated for this area but I'll do the best I can if you throw questions at me. Phil
                  

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kwbradbury 
  To: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:34 AM
  Subject: [MouthpieceWork] Chamber Work


  Hey man, got any tips for us boys? ;-)

  Besides just having a good eye and feel for it, how can we approach 
  chamber work?  Unlike facings, it is difficult to measure what makes 
  a good chamber.  Especially into the throat.


  --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "Phil Barone" <PhilBarone@P...> wrote:
  > Paul, something we overlook also is that the chamber reigns king 
  over the facing when it comes to importance in changing the sound.  
  Facings are a good start but knowing your chamber work is what 
  seperates the men from the boys. Phil



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Yes, the chamber---they come in small, medium and large.  Some are round and 
some are square and some are even elliptical ("Guardala Fat Boy Model").  
There are also a Double chamber and a Deep V chamber ("Rovner").  Also I 
heard a theory, that a fluted surface (running the long way, in the chamber) 
enhanced tone.  I can't remember the name of the mpc. with the flutes.  I do 
know that there was a M.C. Gregory with a center rail.

I know that large chambers are for a more vintage sound and small chambers 
are for modern EDGE sound.  I think that I will play it safe and concentrate 
on the medium chamber size.

I heard that the reason for square chambers is to make manufacturing easier, 
I don't Know if this is true.

I am intrigued with the idea of the elliptical chamber.  I might take a cheap 
plastic mouthpiece and place it in boiling water (with a fitted wooden dowel 
inserted in the neck bore).  When the plastic becomes soft, I will try to 
press it elliptical shaped, between two flat wood jaw caps in my precision 
tool makers vise.  I know that I will be in for some major mouthpiece table, 
rail and facing reconstruction, but it would be worth the practice! 

BTW, there is a molding rubber ("Facsimile") that is used in machine shops, 
for making an impression of chamber shapes.  After it has set, one can remove 
it by pull-stretching it out of its chamber.  The neat thing, is that this 
material is so elastic, that it is guarantied to have a memory for its 
original molded shape.  The male impression is then measured with a "Optical 
Measuring Projector."  One could also take soft caliper measurements.     
David K

Good Advice Phil,

It's not my main piece, its just sitting on the shelf, unwanted and 
unloved ;-).

--- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "philbarone2002" <PhilBarone@P...> wrote:
> Bill, I suggest you don't work on your primary mouthpiece; not even 
> just cleaning it up.  It can really mess you up. Phil Barone
> 
> --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "billmecca" <bill@b...> wrote:
> > Very cool idea Mojo,
> > 
> > I have thought about tinkering a bit, but haven't the time to 
chase 
> > down the needed info. if I can find it all in one place it will 
> ease 
> > that trouble, then it will be finding the time ;-) (4 kids etc 
etc 
> > doesn't leave much huh?)
> > 
> > I have a Jumbo Java T45, that I would like to just clean up a 
bit, 
> a 
> > few nicks on the inside of the side rails, and I've thought about 
> > experimenting with making it a Deep V . maybe open the tip a bit 
as 
> > well...
> > 
> > 
> > --- In MouthpieceWork@y..., "kwbradbury" <kwbradbury@y...> wrote:
> > > Have you ever tried to find information on mouthpiece making or 
> > > refacing?  Until now you've been pretty much on your own.  It 
is 
> > such 
> > > a niche field that very little has been written down to help 
you 
> > get 
> > > started or to help refine your skills.  Pros working in the 
field 
> > are 
> > > usually too busy working on pieces or they regard their methods 
> as 
> > > trade secrets.   I think there is plenty of work to go around 
and 
> > we 
> > > need to communicate to elevate the art and science of 
mouthpiece 
> > work.
> > > 
> > > It is my hope that we will accumulate files and photos 
pertaining 
> > to 
> > > mouthpiece work.  I look forward to an active forum where we 
can 
> > > share our ideas and experiences.   
> > > 
> > > I have decided to start the group as open to the public and 
> > > unmoderated.   I belong to some good groups set up this way.  
If 
> we 
> > > have problems in the future, I'll consider changing it.
> > > 
> > > Welcome.  Start by posting your level of activity and 
interest.  
> > > 
> > > MojoBari